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I agree completely with him on this. These fellas are in the prime of their lives and mad to play, The restriction is not only "health and safety" gone mad, but also another consequence of the GAA deciding to finish everything within 12 weeks.
As if they are ashamed of our championships! And before anyone starts going on about Junior Bs having their place in the sun, I was that Junior B hurler and never once were our matches interfered with by inter county schedule.
We were sold a pup.
BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2553 - 27/04/2023 13:48:53
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Replying To BarneyGrant: "I agree completely with him on this. These fellas are in the prime of their lives and mad to play, The restriction is not only "health and safety" gone mad, but also another consequence of the GAA deciding to finish everything within 12 weeks.
As if they are ashamed of our championships! And before anyone starts going on about Junior Bs having their place in the sun, I was that Junior B hurler and never once were our matches interfered with by inter county schedule.
We were sold a pup." I agree its a silly rule but it was brought in before the split season so that's not linked to it.
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They are clearly linked. The under 21 championship - which was always a brilliant competition in hurling - always began AFTER the senior inter county ended. The same arguments were used to start it early as were used for split season.
There is no rationale for playing the two competitions side by side given the age profile of seniors now which means that almost every senior panel has lads on under 20s. There's Drennan already injured by all accounts, and our own Paddy Doyle who is hurling senior today most likely also going to miss an under 20 game.
Anyone ever think of asking the lads themselves?
People vote for stuff without thinking what the actual implications are. You may be sure that the people who come up with the proposals and who amend them for Congress to suit other agendas know exactly what the implications are.
So upshot of the whole thing is that we have this mad rush to finish everything within weeks.
BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2553 - 29/04/2023 10:06:50
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Replying To BarneyGrant: "I agree completely with him on this. These fellas are in the prime of their lives and mad to play, The restriction is not only "health and safety" gone mad, but also another consequence of the GAA deciding to finish everything within 12 weeks.
As if they are ashamed of our championships! And before anyone starts going on about Junior Bs having their place in the sun, I was that Junior B hurler and never once were our matches interfered with by inter county schedule.
We were sold a pup." They wouldn't be interfered with at Junior B level. But if you were a club who had a few lads away hurling and kicking ball for the county it wouldn't be fair on you to have to play clubs who don't in Championship games. So if you want to extend the intercounty championship season you would have to make sure clubs had their players back between intercounty games so that club county championships could be completed in time for club provincial championships. And no intercounty management team will like that these days.
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Replying To BarneyGrant: "They are clearly linked. The under 21 championship - which was always a brilliant competition in hurling - always began AFTER the senior inter county ended. The same arguments were used to start it early as were used for split season.
There is no rationale for playing the two competitions side by side given the age profile of seniors now which means that almost every senior panel has lads on under 20s. There's Drennan already injured by all accounts, and our own Paddy Doyle who is hurling senior today most likely also going to miss an under 20 game.
Anyone ever think of asking the lads themselves?
People vote for stuff without thinking what the actual implications are. You may be sure that the people who come up with the proposals and who amend them for Congress to suit other agendas know exactly what the implications are.
So upshot of the whole thing is that we have this mad rush to finish everything within weeks." There clearly not linked, this rule has existed in football since 2018, last year was the 1st year of the split season.
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Replying To TerribleFootwork: "There clearly not linked, this rule has existed in football since 2018, last year was the 1st year of the split season." Ah don't be confusing ranters with facts.
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Replying To TerribleFootwork: "There clearly not linked, this rule has existed in football since 2018, last year was the 1st year of the split season." I know when they all started. I said it's the "same thinking" at work.
That same thinking being to concertina the inter county championships into a short time frame.
BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2553 - 29/04/2023 14:39:24
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Replying To BarneyGrant: "I agree completely with him on this. These fellas are in the prime of their lives and mad to play, The restriction is not only "health and safety" gone mad, but also another consequence of the GAA deciding to finish everything within 12 weeks.
As if they are ashamed of our championships! And before anyone starts going on about Junior Bs having their place in the sun, I was that Junior B hurler and never once were our matches interfered with by inter county schedule.
We were sold a pup." It isnt a health and safety thing gone mad.
its a good thing for player development. everyone.
it isnt about gaa trying to finish things off quickly
KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3510 - 29/04/2023 21:23:51
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Replying To KillingFields: "It isnt a health and safety thing gone mad.
its a good thing for player development. everyone.
it isnt about gaa trying to finish things off quickly" In what way is preventing a player playing in a final or semi final with his team mates good for their "development"?
In what way are they not finishing the entire championships off quickly?
BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2553 - 29/04/2023 22:12:40
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It's one of these rules that the gaa hierarchy have conjured up as PR exercise about how they care for player welfare.. Well if this is the case then how come these young lads in the absolute peak of their condition are allowed train with seniors and U-20 teams all winter only to be outdone by what may or may not happen i.e. both a senior and U20 game fixed within the week. So if you are not from Co. Down this may not necessarily be an issue. Its another decision that coukd not possibly have an explanation. The Gaa decision makers are choking our brilliant organisation.
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I agree with BarneyGrant.
I understand the purpose of the rule but it does seem restrictive on players who have matured at an early age and are clearly good enough.
As Barney mentioned I think players in that age group should be consulted.
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Barney, it's 100% not the case that the U21 championship always started AFTER the senior championship, as you claim.
I can point out dates and fixtures from any number of years to prove that, going all the way back to 1996, when Wexford reached both senior and U21 All-Ireland Finals.
The U21 Final was played a week after the senior final. Do you really think the U21 championship only started AFTER the senior one finished, and they wrapped the whole thing up within a week????
Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2243 - 30/04/2023 10:27:44
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Replying To Inatfullforward: "It's one of these rules that the gaa hierarchy have conjured up as PR exercise about how they care for player welfare.. Well if this is the case then how come these young lads in the absolute peak of their condition are allowed train with seniors and U-20 teams all winter only to be outdone by what may or may not happen i.e. both a senior and U20 game fixed within the week. So if you are not from Co. Down this may not necessarily be an issue. Its another decision that coukd not possibly have an explanation. The Gaa decision makers are choking our brilliant organisation." Every one of the under 20 hurling teams left in the competition, as far as I know, will lose players - and obviously good players given that they are on seniors in first place - because of this ridiculous rule.
It is certainly the case with all four counties left in Leinster, and it is obviously an issue in Cork too given that Ben O'Connor has raised it,
BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2553 - 30/04/2023 11:17:39
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Replying To Inatfullforward: "It's one of these rules that the gaa hierarchy have conjured up as PR exercise about how they care for player welfare.. Well if this is the case then how come these young lads in the absolute peak of their condition are allowed train with seniors and U-20 teams all winter only to be outdone by what may or may not happen i.e. both a senior and U20 game fixed within the week. So if you are not from Co. Down this may not necessarily be an issue. Its another decision that coukd not possibly have an explanation. The Gaa decision makers are choking our brilliant organisation." Its a rule that happens in other sports all the time and isnt an issue.
u20s is a development grade. If someone is already progressed to senior level it allows another u20s/21s player play and develop more which is far better in the long term
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