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You have the Tailteann Cup now and the winners were Westmeath. You had the Tommy murphy cup in the 2000s and the winners were Antrim, Clare, Louth, Tipp and Wickow (not in that order). There was a B Championship in the 1990s but does anyone know who were the winners and runners-up of those championships? GaA247 (Cork) - Posts: 63 - 25/04/2023 13:58:58 2473716 Link
Monaghan beat Fermanagh in 1998 final. Leitrim won an early one, maybe 1991 or so, before their provincial breakthrough in 1994 theborderfox (Monaghan) - Posts: 138 - 25/04/2023 14:25:33 2473726 Link
Replying To GaA247: "You have the Tailteann Cup now and the winners were Westmeath. You had the Tommy murphy cup in the 2000s and the winners were Antrim, Clare, Louth, Tipp and Wickow (not in that order). There was a B Championship in the 1990s but does anyone know who were the winners and runners-up of those championships?" All Ireland B Championship ran from 1990 to 2000 usually played around autumn. 1990 Leitrim (beat sligo) 1991 Clare (beat Longford AET) 1992 Wicklow (beat Antrim) 1993 Laois (beat Sligo) 1994 Carlow (beat Westmeath) 1995 Tipperary (beat Longford) 1996 Fermanagh (beat Longford in replay) 1997 Louth (beat Clare) 1998 Monaghan (beat Fermanagh) 1999 Antrim (beat Fermanagh) 2000 Fermanagh (beat Wicklow) The Monaghan v Longford 1st round tie in 1998 All-Ireland B Championship in Castleblaney was the first ever inter-county GAA match played under floodlights. Monaghan won 2-11 to 1-11. Carlowrising (Carlow) - Posts: 170 - 25/04/2023 14:50:34 2473739 Link
The Tommy Murphy Cup was set up to give the weaker counties a better chance of winning a bit of silver ware and it did but it failed to catch the imagination of some counties, so it was discontinued. The senior B championship was more worthwhile but was at times badly supported and never reached the heights that it should have, and it too was discontinued, but before it did CP brought in the back door system and in it's first year Galway won the All-Ireland SF final and thereafter every final was won by one of the stronger counties. All this is now being replaced by the Tailteann Cup, I wish it well, but it will do little if anything to help the weaker counties, long term loss for a short-term gain, in essence it simply won't or can't work with any degree of success. supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 3178 - 25/04/2023 15:33:28 2473752 Link
Winning the Senior B All Ireland in 1991 gave Clare a huge confidence boost. They followed it up by beating Kerry in the Munster final in 1992. Dermy (Clare) - Posts: 65 - 25/04/2023 16:38:59 2473783 Link
Replying To supersub15: "The Tommy Murphy Cup was set up to give the weaker counties a better chance of winning a bit of silver ware and it did but it failed to catch the imagination of some counties, so it was discontinued. The senior B championship was more worthwhile but was at times badly supported and never reached the heights that it should have, and it too was discontinued, but before it did CP brought in the back door system and in it's first year Galway won the All-Ireland SF final and thereafter every final was won by one of the stronger counties. All this is now being replaced by the Tailteann Cup, I wish it well, but it will do little if anything to help the weaker counties, long term loss for a short-term gain, in essence it simply won't or can't work with any degree of success." I remember Clare winning it in 91, they said that was the linchpin to winning Munster in 92. cityman73 (Limerick) - Posts: 783 - 25/04/2023 16:48:27 2473790 Link
Replying To supersub15: "The Tommy Murphy Cup was set up to give the weaker counties a better chance of winning a bit of silver ware and it did but it failed to catch the imagination of some counties, so it was discontinued. The senior B championship was more worthwhile but was at times badly supported and never reached the heights that it should have, and it too was discontinued, but before it did CP brought in the back door system and in it's first year Galway won the All-Ireland SF final and thereafter every final was won by one of the stronger counties. All this is now being replaced by the Tailteann Cup, I wish it well, but it will do little if anything to help the weaker counties, long term loss for a short-term gain, in essence it simply won't or can't work with any degree of success." I think Gaelic football has moved on so much in the last 10-15 years that a second tier competition was a real necessity. It needs to be promoted and given the respect it deserves. In many ways a soccer comparison is often made. If the Sam Maguire is the Champions League then the Tailteann is the Europa League. It should be seen as worth something. The gap now is so large that it would be impossible for a team like Fermanagh or Leitrim or Longford to win the Sam Maguire. To get big days out in Croke Park. The Tailteann gives that chance and also linking it to the Sam Maguire with automatic qualification for the winners was a very shrewd move. It definitely has potential. Jazzyjeff (Derry) - Posts: 212 - 25/04/2023 17:01:24 2473795 Link
Replying To Carlowrising: "All Ireland B Championship ran from 1990 to 2000 usually played around autumn. 1990 Leitrim (beat sligo) 1991 Clare (beat Longford AET) 1992 Wicklow (beat Antrim) 1993 Laois (beat Sligo) 1994 Carlow (beat Westmeath) 1995 Tipperary (beat Longford) 1996 Fermanagh (beat Longford in replay) 1997 Louth (beat Clare) 1998 Monaghan (beat Fermanagh) 1999 Antrim (beat Fermanagh) 2000 Fermanagh (beat Wicklow) The Monaghan v Longford 1st round tie in 1998 All-Ireland B Championship in Castleblaney was the first ever inter-county GAA match played under floodlights. Monaghan won 2-11 to 1-11." In 1995 they changed the time of year the All-Ireland B was played and it backfired with most teams pulled out. By late 1990's the games were being played in club grounds during the week and nobody cared or showed up, and in 1999 it only had 8 teams taking part. Faded into farce by the end. Tommy Murphy Cup also a disaster. Tailteann Cup is the third attempt at a second tier championship. I'm upbeat about it. (We are still smarting from referee decisions in that 1996 All-Ireland B final) LongfordgaaAbú (Longford) - Posts: 611 - 25/04/2023 17:47:39 2473814 Link
Replying To Jazzyjeff: "I think Gaelic football has moved on so much in the last 10-15 years that a second tier competition was a real necessity. It needs to be promoted and given the respect it deserves. In many ways a soccer comparison is often made. If the Sam Maguire is the Champions League then the Tailteann is the Europa League. It should be seen as worth something. The gap now is so large that it would be impossible for a team like Fermanagh or Leitrim or Longford to win the Sam Maguire. To get big days out in Croke Park. The Tailteann gives that chance and also linking it to the Sam Maguire with automatic qualification for the winners was a very shrewd move. It definitely has potential." When Wicklow won it in 1992 the handle snapped off the cup as the presentation was being made! KnockaineyAbú (Limerick) - Posts: 96 - 25/04/2023 18:05:14 2473819 Link
I seen a post on twitter of a medal from 1998 and the Monaghan player said he "cherished it". The medal seemed to be in bad condition on the back, if he cherished it so much why is it in such bad condition. PattyONeill (Derry) - Posts: 263 - 25/04/2023 19:47:34 2473844 Link
Replying To Carlowrising: "All Ireland B Championship ran from 1990 to 2000 usually played around autumn. 1990 Leitrim (beat sligo) 1991 Clare (beat Longford AET) 1992 Wicklow (beat Antrim) 1993 Laois (beat Sligo) 1994 Carlow (beat Westmeath) 1995 Tipperary (beat Longford) 1996 Fermanagh (beat Longford in replay) 1997 Louth (beat Clare) 1998 Monaghan (beat Fermanagh) 1999 Antrim (beat Fermanagh) 2000 Fermanagh (beat Wicklow) The Monaghan v Longford 1st round tie in 1998 All-Ireland B Championship in Castleblaney was the first ever inter-county GAA match played under floodlights. Monaghan won 2-11 to 1-11." Thanks. So there are all the tier 2 finals. 1990 Leitrim beat Sligo 1991 Clare beat Longford 1992 Wicklow beat Antrim 1993 Laois beat Sligo 1994 Carlow beat Westmeath 1995 Tipperary beat Longford 1996 Fermanagh beat Longford 1997 Louth beat Clare 1998 Monaghan beat Fermanagh 1999 Antrim beat Fermanagh 2000 Fermanagh beat Wicklow 2004 Clare beat Sligo 2005 Tipperary beat Wexford 2006 Louth beat Leitrim 2007 Wicklow beat Antrim 2008 Antrim beat Wicklow 2022 Westmeath beat Cavan GaA247 (Cork) - Posts: 63 - 25/04/2023 21:37:27 2473848 Link
Replying To Dermy: "Winning the Senior B All Ireland in 1991 gave Clare a huge confidence boost. They followed it up by beating Kerry in the Munster final in 1992." Yes, it seemed to be useful for some counties, but the majority didn't take it seriously, often struggling to even field teams. football first (None) - Posts: 1259 - 25/04/2023 22:06:07 2473852 Link
Replying To Dermy: "Winning the Senior B All Ireland in 1991 gave Clare a huge confidence boost. They followed it up by beating Kerry in the Munster final in 1992." According to some it had nothing to do with it. Similarly for Leitrim when they went on to win Connacht. oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1617 - 26/04/2023 07:57:23 2473867 Link
I remember carlows win in 94 it was a great day out and the last time we beat westmeath in a competitive match I think. It was a good competition and slotted nicely in with the league which started pre Christmas back then. I think we need a 3rd tier comp that would include the 2 relegated teams from division 3, it would be an attainable championship for us rooted to the bottom. I would remove 3rd tier teams from their provincial championships also freeing up weekends in this reduced inter County window. That would take carlow longford wexford and laois from leinster Leitrim and London from connaught waterford and tipperary from munster. Barrowsider (Carlow) - Posts: 1708 - 26/04/2023 09:23:26 2473878 Link
Replying To oneoff: "According to some it had nothing to do with it. Similarly for Leitrim when they went on to win Connacht." I suppose a few things contributed to Clares win in 92. Having a new manager that fervently believed in a high level of physical fitness was one of them. The open draw in the Munster championship was another huge factor, but people should never underestimate what winning a cup can do for a team. For a long time up to the senior b win it was harder to get off the Clare team than get on it. I really hope that the new kid on the block ( the Tailteann cup ) will be a sucess but as other posters have said here, counties need to buy into it. Dermy (Clare) - Posts: 65 - 26/04/2023 11:32:08 2473932 Link
Replying To Dermy: "I suppose a few things contributed to Clares win in 92. Having a new manager that fervently believed in a high level of physical fitness was one of them. The open draw in the Munster championship was another huge factor, but people should never underestimate what winning a cup can do for a team. For a long time up to the senior b win it was harder to get off the Clare team than get on it. I really hope that the new kid on the block ( the Tailteann cup ) will be a sucess but as other posters have said here, counties need to buy into it." It wasn't totally down to winning that B All-Ireland. They were also in Div 1 at the time. Plus Kerry were poor at the time as well and had knocked Cork out in the semi finals. oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1617 - 26/04/2023 12:18:15 2473955 Link
Replying To oneoff: "It wasn't totally down to winning that B All-Ireland. They were also in Div 1 at the time. Plus Kerry were poor at the time as well and had knocked Cork out in the semi finals." I never said it was totally down to it, but in my view it was a major contributing factor. Also, Clare were in the same league group as Limerick, Tipperary, Wexford, Waterford, Carlow and Kilkenny in 1992. Hardly Div 1 football. And as for Kerry being poor at the time, lots of poor Kerry teams have won all irelands. Dermy (Clare) - Posts: 65 - 26/04/2023 12:45:47 2473977 Link
Replying To Jazzyjeff: "I think Gaelic football has moved on so much in the last 10-15 years that a second tier competition was a real necessity. It needs to be promoted and given the respect it deserves. In many ways a soccer comparison is often made. If the Sam Maguire is the Champions League then the Tailteann is the Europa League. It should be seen as worth something. The gap now is so large that it would be impossible for a team like Fermanagh or Leitrim or Longford to win the Sam Maguire. To get big days out in Croke Park. The Tailteann gives that chance and also linking it to the Sam Maguire with automatic qualification for the winners was a very shrewd move. It definitely has potential." A very good representation of counties that seldom win a provincial title at senior level and never win or contest an All-Ireland senior final either, the senior B championship between 1990 - 2000 makes good reading to be honest, sure didn't we win it ourselves. Gaelic football has indeed moved on at a fierce pace, so much so that I personally think that a three-tiered system is urgently needed. The Tailteann cup is worth something but unfortunately it is not enough, for many years Dublin have owned Leinster, at the same time Kerry have owned Munster, along with that Mayo / Galway have jointly owned Connaught, so the only province that sort of shared the provincial victories is Ulster, now we won't split hairs and say the other three provinces' shared a couple as well. Div.1 and the topflight counties don't always get it right when suggesting a rescue plan to aid the so-called weaker counties simply because they don't experience the difficulties that face the div. 4 counties (at least) in particular year on year. .Playing in Croke Park is the furthest from my mind at the min, what's more important is getting out of div. 4 and staying out of it, if that happens then I'll start thinking about Croke Park. You make a few good points, and you are right when you say the Tailteann Cup has potential but for now it's supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 3178 - 26/04/2023 18:19:33 2474097 Link
Replying To Dermy: "I never said it was totally down to it, but in my view it was a major contributing factor. Also, Clare were in the same league group as Limerick, Tipperary, Wexford, Waterford, Carlow and Kilkenny in 1992. Hardly Div 1 football. And as for Kerry being poor at the time, lots of poor Kerry teams have won all irelands." Kerry were extremely poor because Limerick should have beaten them in both 1991 and 1992. In many ways that 1992 Munster final should have been Clare v Limerick KnockaineyAbú (Limerick) - Posts: 96 - 26/04/2023 19:34:33 2474108 Link
Replying To KnockaineyAbú: "Kerry were extremely poor because Limerick should have beaten them in both 1991 and 1992. In many ways that 1992 Munster final should have been Clare v Limerick" Limerick were very unlucky not to beat Kerry in the early 90s. Ye had a very good team with some wonderful players. The man that always stood out for me was John Galvin. A fantastic footballer and a giant of a man. Dermy (Clare) - Posts: 65 - 27/04/2023 09:35:42 2474160 Link