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Been wondering that myself for the last 10 years or so Jimbob. Bit like the Galway hurlers.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12028 - 26/04/2023 12:21:49 2473961 Link 0 |
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I wouldn't say the provincials are meaningless for the top counties in Ulster and Connacht. Connacht has been very competitive for the past 7 or 8 years with any of Galway, Mayo and Roscommon capable of beating each other. Ulster has seen 5 different winners over the same period.
WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2046 - 26/04/2023 12:31:41 2473967 Link 0 |
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Yes a great win for Kildare but Dublin probably should have closed it out during normal time. Underage is funny as results can vary but at senior level lots of leinster counties are below par and as you say have been for a long time. It's been 22 years since any Leinster county (Dublin aside obviously) made any impact on the All Ireland or reached an all ireland final. Meath slump is a huge disappointment and it takes from the Leinster championship. It would be great if Kildare could make a game of it v Dublin. Kildare have to go for it as if Down or Offaly win Kildare are gone to the Tailteann cup.
CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3678 - 26/04/2023 12:32:26 2473968 Link 0 |
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Fair enough but let's put it this way. Are Mayo too worried about not winning Connaught and will they care if they won Sam. Would Galway.! Even the Armagh management said this year Ulster is Not a priority for them. I might be wrong but the big teams ain't too worried anymore Yes they are nice to win. Every team wants to win every competition but I now think the division 1 league title is more prestigious than a provincial title. Now I know teams that might not believe they will win Sam then a provincial title is brilliant. Look I'm only giving an opinion and I might be totally wrong (if I am so be it) but that's my take on it. CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3678 - 26/04/2023 13:51:56 2474003 Link 0 |
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Wanpintwin I should nt have said "meaningless". I should have said not as important. Of course I want Kerry to win Munster and I'm sure Dublin supporters want to win Leinster but it's not the end of the world if we don't. The big thing is winning Sam and my point is it's no harder to win it (maybe easier) by being beaten in the provincials. Now I agree Ulster and Connaught are much better competitions than the other 2 provinces and while Sligo and Clare and Louth etc would love to win the provincials I'm sure you as a Galway an want Sam and Liam and won't be upset what way you d win it.
CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3678 - 26/04/2023 13:58:24 2474006 Link 1 |
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Could we have the 1st All Connacht AI Final this year? Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1436 - 26/04/2023 15:01:50 2474034 Link 0 |
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It's quite possible but who knows. We ve had an all Ulster final in 03 and 2 all Munster finals in 07 and 09. Now I'm fairly certain they ll be no all munster or Leinster final this year.
CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3678 - 26/04/2023 15:30:09 2474040 Link 0 |
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A Mayo v Galway All Ireland senior final would be some craic alright. We met in last years minor final. Will likely happen at some stage in the future. yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11236 - 26/04/2023 16:18:10 2474061 Link 2 |
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Agreed Sam is the ultimate goal for any top county with aspirations, but the provincial games themselves do definitely matter to the teams and supporters in Connacht and Ulster. Listening to any current or former Galway and Mayo players, getting the better of their big provincial rival meant a huge amount. Lee Keegan has said the same in the past week and there's always a lot of bite to these games. When Cork were competing at the top in the late 00s and early 10s, those Munster battles with Kerry were huge games, even though defeat wasn't fatal for the loser. They were some of the best games of the era. In fact both teams won All-Irelands in 09 and 10, having lost to the other in Munster. But those Munster games still meant a huge amount to both groups. Ask Noel O'Leary and Paul Galvin if those games didn't matter as much. :) While the current system is definitely imperfect, the local rivalry and history with provincial matches still has something which stirs the soul. Strong competitive Cork, Kildare and Meath teams would go a long way to bringing some life back to them. WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2046 - 26/04/2023 17:28:38 2474080 Link 0 |
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It'd be incredible alright. The buzz would be something else. It's the only way to guarantee Sam coming across the Shannon, as our combined record in finals is downright poor. WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2046 - 26/04/2023 17:32:06 2474082 Link 0 |
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Mayo, Galway and Roscommon set the standard in the league. The rest of us are hoping for the best.
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7871 - 26/04/2023 18:02:07 2474094 Link 1 |
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Lissycasey would be a Senior Club in football have been for years, they have a big population so they are thriving at underage. Get your point alright about football moving away from the west and going to the east a bit. Ballyea are made up of footballers really and have won the last two hurling championships in Clare. People talk about Clare football losing players to hurling, but I would think it has actually gone the other way round. The likes of Pearse Lillis, Cian O'Dea, Aaron Griffin, Ciarán Russell who play for the footballers are probably as good a hurlers as some of the players that are on the Clare hurling team.
CartaDubh (Clare) - Posts: 51 - 26/04/2023 18:04:26 2474095 Link 0 |
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Can you seriously not think of any reason why Kildare are ahead of Dublin at underage but not competing at senior?? Last night's venue might be a clue for a start.. The venue for Kildare's senior win in the league last year might be another clue.. Dublin seniors not having won a league or championship match in Newbridge in the best part of 50 years is another clue.. Maybe when Conleths opens again the cowards in the Leinster council might address the farce but I doubt it, we can't risk the riff raff competing on a level playing field with the revenue maker's can we? cuttothebone (Kildare) - Posts: 163 - 26/04/2023 21:56:49 2474121 Link 2 |
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Disagree, would take winning one ulster final against Tyrone over 5 league titles
Jjoniel79 (Monaghan) - Posts: 152 - 27/04/2023 06:06:52 2474129 Link 0 |
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We are a long way from having an All Leinster final in fairness Mick.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12028 - 27/04/2023 07:34:23 2474138 Link 0 |
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Can you seriously not think of any reason why Kildare are ahead of Dublin at underage but not competing at senior?? Last night's venue might be a clue for a start.. The venue for Kildare's senior win in the league last year might be another clue.. Dublin seniors not having won a league or championship match in Newbridge in the best part of 50 years is another clue.. Maybe when Conleths opens again the cowards in the Leinster council might address the farce but I doubt it, we can't risk the riff raff competing on a level playing field with the revenue maker's can we?"]Could also be that at senior level you are getting talent over a wider net. It's going to be more likely that Kildare can have a good crop of players in a 2 year age range but to be a top senior team you need to be producing top players every year. No doubt for more fairness Dublin should be playing away more often but let's be real here, how many Leinster championships would that actually have knocked off their total? Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4236 - 27/04/2023 09:47:32 2474162 Link 3 |
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With the Leinster semi-finals and final in Croke Park, is the Croke Park home advantage for Dublin less of an issue as Leinster counties play there more frequently? legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7871 - 27/04/2023 11:03:55 2474186 Link 0 |
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Can you seriously not think of any reason why Kildare are ahead of Dublin at underage but not competing at senior?? Last night's venue might be a clue for a start.. The venue for Kildare's senior win in the league last year might be another clue.. Dublin seniors not having won a league or championship match in Newbridge in the best part of 50 years is another clue.. Maybe when Conleths opens again the cowards in the Leinster council might address the farce but I doubt it, we can't risk the riff raff competing on a level playing field with the revenue maker's can we?"]Could also be that at senior level you are getting talent over a wider net. It's going to be more likely that Kildare can have a good crop of players in a 2 year age range but to be a top senior team you need to be producing top players every year. No doubt for more fairness Dublin should be playing away more often but let's be real here, how many Leinster championships would that actually have knocked off their total?"]Dublin played most of their championship matches outside of Croke Park up until the early 2000s when OTHER Leinster counties unanimously voted to make CP a home venue. In 1995 Dublin beat Louth and Laois in Navan on way to winning AI. In 1976 and 1977, the only games Dublin had in Croke Park were the Leinster final, AI semi final and final. I remember being in all sorts of places - Carlow, Mullingar, Tullamore etc. . Out of all those games, the last one they lose was in Navan to Louth in 1973. Even when we were really bad, losing to Westmeath in Mullingar in 1967 made front page of newspapers. Dublin playing anywhere has mostly always been as irrelevant as Kerry playing anywhere BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2582 - 27/04/2023 11:47:38 2474199 Link 0 |
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How many times have the other 10 played there last 5 years?
Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1436 - 27/04/2023 11:55:08 2474204 Link 0 |
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My son played underage with Kildare all the way through. I can tell you from what I saw of Cork and Meath underage, these guys were good as well. Then when everybody all got to senior.......... sponger (Wicklow) - Posts: 2897 - 27/04/2023 11:55:47 2474205 Link 1 |