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They definitely need to remove the mark as it slows the game down. The mark is the reason why Australian Rules football is unwatchable in my opinion. They introduced it to make players kick the ball more but what use is that when the play is stopped to take the shot.
PattyONeill (Derry) - Posts: 224 - 08/04/2023 18:57:09
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No linesmen, 3 refs with a portion of pitch each. That should resolve off the ball pulling and dragging.
Refs use spray to mark where a free should be taken from. This is becoming ridiculous lately. Particularly free takers narrowing the angle.
Forward/defensive mark scrapped.
Black card scrapped. All black card offences converted to yellow and All yellow card offenses = 10 minutes in the bin.
Mayonman (Galway) - Posts: 1836 - 08/04/2023 19:27:58
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Replying To St.Mologga: "Maybe look at reducing the amount of Hand Passing, the use of the Foot seems to be a dying art." In Cork anyway!
foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 1931 - 08/04/2023 20:50:25
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Replying To Saynothing: "Players limited to their own space on the field would be a joke, player soloing up the field and has to stop in case he goes out of bounds, too much emphasis on kick passing would turn the game into a lottery with who gives the ball away the least. Game is fine, maybe do away with fisted points and palmed goals, the forward mark and take frees from the exact place of foul. No stealing yards, watch over the weekend to see all teams steal yardage." You never read what I said. I agree that limiting a player to their own space for full game is not practical. Limiting them to their spaces on kick outs is doable and would make it much harder to arrange a blanket.
GreenMan1987 (Meath) - Posts: 38 - 08/04/2023 20:58:35
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Get rid of forward mark. No dead balls allowed to go backwards until inside the attacking 45 and then only within the 45. This will encourage players to look forward and it would transfer to open play, too many times the players just look backwards for a pass.
dufferman (Down) - Posts: 156 - 09/04/2023 10:35:25
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Replying To GreenMan1987: "You never read what I said. I agree that limiting a player to their own space for full game is not practical. Limiting them to their spaces on kick outs is doable and would make it much harder to arrange a blanket." Would that not make the game really stop start though.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4241 - 09/04/2023 11:39:00
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Replying To GreenMan1987: "You never read what I said. I agree that limiting a player to their own space for full game is not practical. Limiting them to their spaces on kick outs is doable and would make it much harder to arrange a blanket." Who is going to police where all 29 players are for kick outs? Officials can't make sure frees are took from the correct position.
Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2017 - 09/04/2023 12:10:16
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Replying To Whammo86: "Would that not make the game really stop start though." Give teams a bit of time (maybe the full league season) to transition to the new rule and after that penalise teams who are not quickly in position at kick out time, say a free from the half way mark. It might not be as hard as you think, there is a lot of kick outs in a game and with a rule like this in place kicking the ball in (before the opposition could possibly get a blanket in place) could become a very effective way of playing the game.
GreenMan1987 (Meath) - Posts: 38 - 09/04/2023 12:42:37
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Replying To Saynothing: "Who is going to police where all 29 players are for kick outs? Officials can't make sure frees are took from the correct position." While linesmen might miss might miss a players slightly out of position sometimes but broadly it would be easy to notice if the rule was being blatantly broken.
GreenMan1987 (Meath) - Posts: 38 - 09/04/2023 13:01:20
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For those bemoning 'yet another rules change thread' please be aware that was not the intention. Mids edited my post to remove the actual key point of discussion.
TearsIn85 (Monaghan) - Posts: 194 - 10/04/2023 14:05:05
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Replying To Saynothing: "Players limited to their own space on the field would be a joke, player soloing up the field and has to stop in case he goes out of bounds, too much emphasis on kick passing would turn the game into a lottery with who gives the ball away the least. Game is fine, maybe do away with fisted points and palmed goals, the forward mark and take frees from the exact place of foul. No stealing yards, watch over the weekend to see all teams steal yardage." 'too much emphasis on kick passing', the game is called 'FOOTball', kicking the ball well is supposed to be the basic skill of the game. The rule changes Green said seems to me to try to force a mindset change.
Like Gaelic football the sports of Hurling and Rugby have exploded in terms of team preparation in last 20 years or so.
In these sports the extra preparation has meant players are doing the main skills better and have become much better to watch because of this.
Rugby has constantly upgraded their rules to keep focusing on this.
In Gaelic football much of the extra preparation has been about ways of playing the game which avoids having to use the basic skills.
bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1360 - 10/04/2023 14:06:59
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Replying To bdbuddah: "'too much emphasis on kick passing', the game is called 'FOOTball', kicking the ball well is supposed to be the basic skill of the game. The rule changes Green said seems to me to try to force a mindset change.
Like Gaelic football the sports of Hurling and Rugby have exploded in terms of team preparation in last 20 years or so.
In these sports the extra preparation has meant players are doing the main skills better and have become much better to watch because of this.
Rugby has constantly upgraded their rules to keep focusing on this.
In Gaelic football much of the extra preparation has been about ways of playing the game which avoids having to use the basic skills." When you have possession of the ball teams can play the ball whatever way they want to get the most out of play, greenman was on about kick only which is nonsense. If all scores had to be kicked it would make a better game.
Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2017 - 10/04/2023 17:20:14
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Replying To TearsIn85: "For fun, I ask how could the rules of Gaelic Football be changed to improve the game speed and entertainment value?''
1. Reduce the number of players on the field: One possible change would be to reduce the number of players on the field from 15 to 13 or even 11, which could lead to more open play and faster-paced action.
2. Modify the kick-out rule: The current kick-out rule, where the goalkeeper must kick the ball out beyond the 20-meter line, can slow down the game. One potential modification would be to allow the goalkeeper to kick the ball out to a designated area in the middle of the field, which would encourage quicker restarts and potentially more attacking play.
3. Introduce a shot clock: A shot clock could be introduced to encourage teams to take shots at goal within a certain time frame, which could help to speed up the game and make it more exciting.
4. Increase the value of goals: Currently, a goal is worth three points, and a point is worth one. However, increasing the value of goals to four or even five points could encourage more attacking play and make the game more exciting.
5. Allow more substitutes: Currently, each team is allowed to make only five substitutions per game. Allowing more substitutions could help to keep players fresh and potentially lead to faster-paced, higher-energy play.
6. Modify the tackle rule: The current tackle rule, where players must make a clean tackle or risk conceding a free kick, can slow down the game. Modifying the rule to allow more physicality could make the game more exciting and potentially lead to more turnovers and scoring opportunities.
Of course, any rule changes would need to be carefully considered to ensure they do not fundamentally alter the nature of the game or compromise player safety.
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What do you think? Better than some of the suggestions on here? Remember, don't shoot the messenger!!" Your number 3) might be the toughest to police - what's a clear turnover to reset the clock? - does one pass blocked down but then recovered by the original team get them a new clock or not?
omahant (USA) - Posts: 2621 - 10/04/2023 17:29:49
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Replying To Saynothing: "When you have possession of the ball teams can play the ball whatever way they want to get the most out of play, greenman was on about kick only which is nonsense. If all scores had to be kicked it would make a better game." I never said kick only.
'When you have possession of the ball teams can play the ball whatever way they want to get the most out of play', it's obvious that teams will still play to the current rules of the game.
With what I said teams could still play hand passes or kick the ball, but by making it harder to put a blanket defense in place moving the ball quicker would become a better option than now so encourage this type of play.
Anyone who goes to games and watches lateral hand passing in front of the opposition's blanket defense and hears the crowd practically silent as this goes on has their head stuck in the sand if they think football hasn't an issue with this.
GreenMan1987 (Meath) - Posts: 38 - 11/04/2023 08:09:46
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One rule I'd like to see is to introduce a definition of time wasting on kick-outs - make the keeper kick the ball out within 7 seconds of the referee's whistle. When teams choose to push up on kick-outs the keeper can wait an inordinate amount of time to wait and get a man free. It both slows down the game and discourages teams from pushing up to the same extent.
brianb (Kildare) - Posts: 292 - 11/04/2023 09:22:03
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The perennial thread....
All the tinkering with ideas seems to stem from stopping massed defences, but those same massed defences are the symptom of the issue and not the cause of the problem at all. That issue is the lack of a clear means of contesting possession (the tackle), and indeed the failure/reluctance of referees to allow any reasonable contact to take place. Consider this from the rugby rule book:
The contest for possession of the ball is one of rugby's key features. These contests occur throughout the game and in a number of different forms:
in contact
in open play
when play is re-started
The contests are balanced in such a way as to reward superior skill displayed in the preceding action. The advantage then must always lie with the team gaining from execution of the superior skill, although, here again, it is important that these areas of play can be fairly contested.
The team in possession aims to maintain continuity by denying the opposition the ball and, by skilful means, to advance and score points. Failure to do this will mean the surrendering of possession to the opposition either as a result of shortcomings on the part of the team in possession or because of the quality of the opposition defence; contest and continuity, profit and loss.
In comparison to this clearly articulated principle, we have a problem! One that I don't think will be fixed by ideas like spacial zones etc. Reducing the number of players on the field, for example, will not create a contest for possession, indeed it probably will have the opposite effect. You turn the sport into a running contest. Higher scoring matches should not be an objective, they are an outcome.
Whatever changes would be made have to focus on creating a better contest for possession, and also a place a premium on skill in the act of scoring. . If a team had a more than reasonable chance of forcing a turnover by coming out of their defensive shell, they would be more likely to do it. If they are clearly outgunned and opt to pack defence to limit the damage on the scoreboard then fair enough, but they wont likely get a result either. Any changes have to also be such that trained officials have a reasonable prospect of calling decisions correctly.
Some things that could happen :
1. Scrap the forward/defensive mark straight away, it is a nonsense
2. No scoring hand-passed points or palmed-to-the-net goals from a ball put in flight by a hand-pass. Getting a fist to a kicked ball, fair enough
3. The 'clear striking action' part of the handpass rule has to be rigorously implemented. Players take it as an outrage when they are called up on clear throws.
4. If a team in possession carries the ball back into 45 area (carried back) then all hand and kick passes played inside the 45 must be caught directly by team-mate incl keeper (no playing into dead space). 20m hop ball as a penalty. Play the ball as normal outside 45
5. The steps rule- make it a hard 5 steps and enforce fully, particularly when attacking players are being tackled.
6. Kick outs- retain kick out mark. Any kick-out to a team mate inside 45 has to go to hand directly otherwise a throw up 20m i.e. no bouncers or snaky ground shots to the corner back.
7. A player in full possession (has taken a hop/solo) of the ball who goes off feet must immediately release or play the ball away.
Eddie the Exile (Monaghan) - Posts: 1064 - 11/04/2023 20:43:28
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You have to he very careful changing rules, on the face of it something might seem like a good idea, such as 5 points for a goal, but may cause a more defensive game as a result as teams will try harder (defend more) so as not to concede, the one area I would like to look at is a 13 man game with 3 subs, in practice the most teams can get behind the ball is 12 it should create a little more space but it could also create an ultra defensive game where teams only attack on a counter, shot clocks reward defence so that's an outright bad idea if you're looking for more scores and more open play.
Personally I enjoy watching a variety of kickouts I think by forcing teams to go long you're taking away a very important part of the game.
I think before you come up with ideas, you have to know what you want the game to look like, do you want everyone doing the same thing? I love how the different roles have evolved, take the gk for example it's such a dynamic role in the modern game, that's driven by the evolution of the game
Barrowsider (Carlow) - Posts: 1596 - 14/04/2023 11:11:22
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Any sort of rules about needing to stand in a certain place at certain times are nonsense. You can't have vague rules where a player kind of needs to stand in a bit of a wing-back spot - how is that manageable at all for a referee? The idea that it would only be called if a player is taking the piss is obviously ridiculous. Imagine how many cases of non-calls would be brought up if a big game was decided by a referee penalising it?
A small change that I think could have a positive effect and wouldn't intrude much on referees or players:
Goalkeepers, once addressing the ball off a kick-out, can't stop their run or reverse back to start a run-up again (similar to a penalty in soccer). It would speed things up, increase the number of long kick-outs taken and, by adding more jeopardy to short kick-outs, encourage teams to press up more (which is more entertaining).
A bigger change that would take some work: introduce a version of a back-court rule from basketball (you can't go back into your own half once you've brought it across, or potentially can't go back into your own half after crossing the other teams 45).
It could perhaps be tricky to manage on turnovers made just past the half-way line, so would take some research to see if it would be a mess as a result of those situations. But, if it was workable it wouldn't give too much of an added boost to blanket defences, it would encourage pushing out further towards the half-way line in defensive positions to trap attackers, and so might 1. create more space for attacking teams in behind and 2. eliminate the really negative spectacle of teams kicking the ball long, backwards to unmarked goalkeepers.
TheHuckleBuck (Galway) - Posts: 24 - 14/04/2023 11:28:57
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Truth be told, I have always found Gaelic football boring.
But the current iteration is worse than cricket to watch.
The fact that the championship kicked off last weekend and hardly anybody cared, said it all.
I never buy the "you don't understand the intricacies" argument - I can see full well what is happening and I find it awfully boring.
The first thing I'd do is reduce it to 11 or 12 a side. Players are fit enough now and you don't need 15 players to cover the same pitch that pot-bellied players covered years ago. It would give the top players a better chance to show off their skills, instead of being crowded out. I'd make this from minor upwards.
I would make it 3 passes (hand/foot/whatever) and then you have to be beyond the opponents 65 or you have to give possession to the opposition.
But I doubt anything will ever make me love Gaelic Football.
ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1140 - 14/04/2023 11:30:31
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change its name it certainly is not football anymore
mickcunningham (Westmeath) - Posts: 1806 - 14/04/2023 11:30:53
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