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Replying To CARPS: "This is a very fair point: and often overlooked. For rural counties (ie. without a city), having a large companies that employ locally is a make or break thing. Kilkenny have Glanbia, Kerry have Kerry Foods etc.
Poor old Carlow and Leix don't have that sort of thing. For example, the great Eire Og football team in Carlow (Five Leinsters in seven years) could not have happened with Irish Sugar and Braun (both gone now) providing apprenticeships and jobs to keep lads around.
Carlow Town Hurling Club used to be a major force in Carlow hurling, but dropped off when those factories closed." The Greens are doing their bit to demolish the peat industry in Offaly. On a serious note, the contribution of ESB and Bord Na Mona, to the Offaly economy was immense in this county from the 1940's to 1990's and later years. The great power stations are gone from the midlands landscape, in an area stretching from Edenderry in the east, to Shannonbridge in west Offaly.
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Replying To thelongridge: "The Greens are doing their bit to demolish the peat industry in Offaly. On a serious note, the contribution of ESB and Bord Na Mona, to the Offaly economy was immense in this county from the 1940's to 1990's and later years. The great power stations are gone from the midlands landscape, in an area stretching from Edenderry in the east, to Shannonbridge in west Offaly." Biofuels are the future but the Greens are determined to eliminate CO2 emissions entirely. The EU has quietly changed its ICE car ban to exclude engines using low carbon fuels like ethanol. Trucks, trains, and planes will all use biofuels so it makes sense to use it for cars. We also import peat from Latvia and South America but domestic peat will be banned for sale. Ireland could be a leader in this area alongside renewable energy.
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Replying To thelongridge: "The Greens are doing their bit to demolish the peat industry in Offaly. On a serious note, the contribution of ESB and Bord Na Mona, to the Offaly economy was immense in this county from the 1940's to 1990's and later years. The great power stations are gone from the midlands landscape, in an area stretching from Edenderry in the east, to Shannonbridge in west Offaly." One of the great success stories of the Irish economy. Home produced energy source. Sacrificed on the altar of Dublin middle class virtue signalling.
We should have nuclear power and we should have started to use tidal energy decades ago. We are a neo colony run by punkah wallahs for either the Brits or Brussels or multi nationals.
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Replying To BarneyGrant: "One of the great success stories of the Irish economy. Home produced energy source. Sacrificed on the altar of Dublin middle class virtue signalling.
We should have nuclear power and we should have started to use tidal energy decades ago. We are a neo colony run by punkah wallahs for either the Brits or Brussels or multi nationals." thelongridge (Offaly) Rolo2010 (Donegal)
Sorry to break up the party but there's a Non - GAA thread political issues.
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Who would think there is an All-Ireland senior hurling Joe Mc Donagh cup final in four days' time, Offaly are roasting hot favorites and rightly so even if it is so by the bookies 11/3 and the sporting press, so unless you are in the know you would never think it was Carlow who is the opposition. Offaly are making huge inroads in minor, under 20's, and senior in both codes let it be said and it's great for them to see that.
The Carlow hurling board for years has worked tirelessly to keep the hurling flag aloft shall we say, where as their football board counterparts appear to have a different attitude / approach.
Since the start of the Mc Donagh cup this year I counted 11 times Offaly were mentioned for one thing or another and their continued progress, Carlow got a mention when they qualified for the final, now why am I bringing this stuff into the arena now, well I read on the Carlow forum where some posters were disappointed that there was no flags flying in the town or for that matter in the county, I will stretch my point a little further in saying, how can we expect our youngsters, of all ages to go to our games, wear the county jersey, have the imagination to fly their own little makeshift of a flag if they continue to see our great little dual county getting the silent treatment or just being ignored, I have never experienced a county that apparently means so little to the gaa and our sporting press in particular.
I am not at all looking for Carlow's hurling and football opportunities to get monumental headlines far from it but small pointers that can be related back to the youngsters.
Finally, I also noticed a Carlow poster saying he wouldn't be surprised if they weren't aware the game was on.
The very best of good luck to Carlow hurlers and management.
supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2907 - 23/05/2023 20:28:14
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Replying To supersub15: "Who would think there is an All-Ireland senior hurling Joe Mc Donagh cup final in four days' time, Offaly are roasting hot favorites and rightly so even if it is so by the bookies 11/3 and the sporting press, so unless you are in the know you would never think it was Carlow who is the opposition. Offaly are making huge inroads in minor, under 20's, and senior in both codes let it be said and it's great for them to see that.
The Carlow hurling board for years has worked tirelessly to keep the hurling flag aloft shall we say, where as their football board counterparts appear to have a different attitude / approach.
Since the start of the Mc Donagh cup this year I counted 11 times Offaly were mentioned for one thing or another and their continued progress, Carlow got a mention when they qualified for the final, now why am I bringing this stuff into the arena now, well I read on the Carlow forum where some posters were disappointed that there was no flags flying in the town or for that matter in the county, I will stretch my point a little further in saying, how can we expect our youngsters, of all ages to go to our games, wear the county jersey, have the imagination to fly their own little makeshift of a flag if they continue to see our great little dual county getting the silent treatment or just being ignored, I have never experienced a county that apparently means so little to the gaa and our sporting press in particular.
I am not at all looking for Carlow's hurling and football opportunities to get monumental headlines far from it but small pointers that can be related back to the youngsters.
Finally, I also noticed a Carlow poster saying he wouldn't be surprised if they weren't aware the game was on.
The very best of good luck to Carlow hurlers and management." We always knew all about ye and your passion.I am sure Offaly will too win or lose.Joe Macdonagh is the GAA's best competition enjoy the weekend.
jobber (Westmeath) - Posts: 1458 - 23/05/2023 23:53:03
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Replying To supersub15: "Who would think there is an All-Ireland senior hurling Joe Mc Donagh cup final in four days' time, Offaly are roasting hot favorites and rightly so even if it is so by the bookies 11/3 and the sporting press, so unless you are in the know you would never think it was Carlow who is the opposition. Offaly are making huge inroads in minor, under 20's, and senior in both codes let it be said and it's great for them to see that.
The Carlow hurling board for years has worked tirelessly to keep the hurling flag aloft shall we say, where as their football board counterparts appear to have a different attitude / approach.
Since the start of the Mc Donagh cup this year I counted 11 times Offaly were mentioned for one thing or another and their continued progress, Carlow got a mention when they qualified for the final, now why am I bringing this stuff into the arena now, well I read on the Carlow forum where some posters were disappointed that there was no flags flying in the town or for that matter in the county, I will stretch my point a little further in saying, how can we expect our youngsters, of all ages to go to our games, wear the county jersey, have the imagination to fly their own little makeshift of a flag if they continue to see our great little dual county getting the silent treatment or just being ignored, I have never experienced a county that apparently means so little to the gaa and our sporting press in particular.
I am not at all looking for Carlow's hurling and football opportunities to get monumental headlines far from it but small pointers that can be related back to the youngsters.
Finally, I also noticed a Carlow poster saying he wouldn't be surprised if they weren't aware the game was on.
The very best of good luck to Carlow hurlers and management." You talk about counties being mentioned, but mentioned where?
And surely it's up to the people of Carlow to wear jerseys and put out flags.
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Provincial finals and sometimes All-Ireland finals have a low key build up.
Kerry last year and Carlow this year benefitted from favourable fixturing to make the final. I don't want to go on too much about a 2nd 3rd semi-final but it's the high profile knockout game that will be suitable to lead into the final.
We all know the McDonagh is an ultra competitive level, a lot of pundits recognise that. It is not transferring into big crowds. The McDonagh needs crowds. The hurlers of all counties deserve more support from their own people. Laois v Dublin had a big crowd in the preliminary quarter-final a few years ago. It would be great to see crowds like that regularly in the McDonagh.
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7859 - 24/05/2023 07:10:24
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Replying To legendzxix: "Provincial finals and sometimes All-Ireland finals have a low key build up.
Kerry last year and Carlow this year benefitted from favourable fixturing to make the final. I don't want to go on too much about a 2nd 3rd semi-final but it's the high profile knockout game that will be suitable to lead into the final.
We all know the McDonagh is an ultra competitive level, a lot of pundits recognise that. It is not transferring into big crowds. The McDonagh needs crowds. The hurlers of all counties deserve more support from their own people. Laois v Dublin had a big crowd in the preliminary quarter-final a few years ago. It would be great to see crowds like that regularly in the McDonagh." What was the Laois and Offaly support like in their games against you Legendzxix?
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11915 - 24/05/2023 09:40:43
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Shane McGrath says "Dropping down into a competition [Joe McDonagh Cup] that is fiercely contested at present, with games only to be matched by the Munster Championship in terms of intensity and excitement and who's schedule is very demanding on all those involved."
A great endorsement of the McDonagh Cup. Just a pity the counties involved are not getting the support of their own people in greater numbers.
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7859 - 24/05/2023 11:22:08
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Replying To supersub15: "Who would think there is an All-Ireland senior hurling Joe Mc Donagh cup final in four days' time, Offaly are roasting hot favorites and rightly so even if it is so by the bookies 11/3 and the sporting press, so unless you are in the know you would never think it was Carlow who is the opposition. Offaly are making huge inroads in minor, under 20's, and senior in both codes let it be said and it's great for them to see that.
The Carlow hurling board for years has worked tirelessly to keep the hurling flag aloft shall we say, where as their football board counterparts appear to have a different attitude / approach.
Since the start of the Mc Donagh cup this year I counted 11 times Offaly were mentioned for one thing or another and their continued progress, Carlow got a mention when they qualified for the final, now why am I bringing this stuff into the arena now, well I read on the Carlow forum where some posters were disappointed that there was no flags flying in the town or for that matter in the county, I will stretch my point a little further in saying, how can we expect our youngsters, of all ages to go to our games, wear the county jersey, have the imagination to fly their own little makeshift of a flag if they continue to see our great little dual county getting the silent treatment or just being ignored, I have never experienced a county that apparently means so little to the gaa and our sporting press in particular.
I am not at all looking for Carlow's hurling and football opportunities to get monumental headlines far from it but small pointers that can be related back to the youngsters.
Finally, I also noticed a Carlow poster saying he wouldn't be surprised if they weren't aware the game was on.
The very best of good luck to Carlow hurlers and management." First I heard that we have a football and hurling board ?
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Replying To legendzxix: "Shane McGrath says "Dropping down into a competition [Joe McDonagh Cup that is fiercely contested at present, with games only to be matched by the Munster Championship in terms of intensity and excitement and who's schedule is very demanding on all those involved."
A great endorsement of the McDonagh Cup. Just a pity the counties involved are not getting the support of their own people in greater numbers."]I disagreed with you about Laois being hard done by but I have to agree with you on this topic. Shane McGrath did give the competition a very strong endorsement. I was in Carlow town earlier today, I saw 1 flag on display! It's as if Carlow are not in any final, not even a flag from a shop or pub..just unbelievable!! Another poster on the Carlow page mentioned this but I was astonished when I saw the lack of enthusiasm around town.
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Replying To legendzxix: "Provincial finals and sometimes All-Ireland finals have a low key build up.
Kerry last year and Carlow this year benefitted from favourable fixturing to make the final. I don't want to go on too much about a 2nd 3rd semi-final but it's the high profile knockout game that will be suitable to lead into the final.
We all know the McDonagh is an ultra competitive level, a lot of pundits recognise that. It is not transferring into big crowds. The McDonagh needs crowds. The hurlers of all counties deserve more support from their own people. Laois v Dublin had a big crowd in the preliminary quarter-final a few years ago. It would be great to see crowds like that regularly in the McDonagh." What was the Laois and Offaly support like in their games against you Legendzxix?
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11915 - 24/05/2023 17:02:36
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Replying To supersub15: "Who would think there is an All-Ireland senior hurling Joe Mc Donagh cup final in four days' time, Offaly are roasting hot favorites and rightly so even if it is so by the bookies 11/3 and the sporting press, so unless you are in the know you would never think it was Carlow who is the opposition. Offaly are making huge inroads in minor, under 20's, and senior in both codes let it be said and it's great for them to see that.
The Carlow hurling board for years has worked tirelessly to keep the hurling flag aloft shall we say, where as their football board counterparts appear to have a different attitude / approach.
Since the start of the Mc Donagh cup this year I counted 11 times Offaly were mentioned for one thing or another and their continued progress, Carlow got a mention when they qualified for the final, now why am I bringing this stuff into the arena now, well I read on the Carlow forum where some posters were disappointed that there was no flags flying in the town or for that matter in the county, I will stretch my point a little further in saying, how can we expect our youngsters, of all ages to go to our games, wear the county jersey, have the imagination to fly their own little makeshift of a flag if they continue to see our great little dual county getting the silent treatment or just being ignored, I have never experienced a county that apparently means so little to the gaa and our sporting press in particular.
I am not at all looking for Carlow's hurling and football opportunities to get monumental headlines far from it but small pointers that can be related back to the youngsters.
Finally, I also noticed a Carlow poster saying he wouldn't be surprised if they weren't aware the game was on.
The very best of good luck to Carlow hurlers and management." Since when does Carlow have a Hurling Board?
In fact, the opposite is the case. We have a County Board dominated by football people.
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Maybe slightly off topic here but why is it that Waterford are not worried about getting relegated and Wexford are? Why isn't there a relegation from the Munster championship?
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Replying To carlowman: "First I heard that we have a football and hurling board ?" We don't. But supersub is living in the UK I think so wouldn't be too au fait with local matters.
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Replying To Viking66: "What was the Laois and Offaly support like in their games against you Legendzxix?" Your talking about 2500 in Tullamore and 1200 in Tralee. Westmeath and Antrim aren't getting big numbers in Leinster either. The GAA need to look at is there anything they can do from an administrative level to try and nurture hurling teams getting more support from their own people.
My humble suggestion is the top teams in divisions 2A, 2B, 3A and 3B hosting the division finals. The runners-up in the final then can host a playoff versus 5th from the division above. In the case of 2A to Division 1, that can be the 2A runners-up at home versus the relegation final winner e.g. Kildare v Westmeath.
In the McDonagh, Ring, Rackard and Meagher I humbly suggest 2nd at home versus 3rd in the semi-finals. A high profile knockout leading into the final.
The ideal in the McDonagh would be the size of the crowd for Laois v Dublin in the preliminary quarter-final a few years back attending the semi-final.
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7859 - 25/05/2023 07:26:47
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Replying To supersub15: "Who would think there is an All-Ireland senior hurling Joe Mc Donagh cup final in four days' time, Offaly are roasting hot favorites and rightly so even if it is so by the bookies 11/3 and the sporting press, so unless you are in the know you would never think it was Carlow who is the opposition. Offaly are making huge inroads in minor, under 20's, and senior in both codes let it be said and it's great for them to see that.
The Carlow hurling board for years has worked tirelessly to keep the hurling flag aloft shall we say, where as their football board counterparts appear to have a different attitude / approach.
Since the start of the Mc Donagh cup this year I counted 11 times Offaly were mentioned for one thing or another and their continued progress, Carlow got a mention when they qualified for the final, now why am I bringing this stuff into the arena now, well I read on the Carlow forum where some posters were disappointed that there was no flags flying in the town or for that matter in the county, I will stretch my point a little further in saying, how can we expect our youngsters, of all ages to go to our games, wear the county jersey, have the imagination to fly their own little makeshift of a flag if they continue to see our great little dual county getting the silent treatment or just being ignored, I have never experienced a county that apparently means so little to the gaa and our sporting press in particular.
I am not at all looking for Carlow's hurling and football opportunities to get monumental headlines far from it but small pointers that can be related back to the youngsters.
Finally, I also noticed a Carlow poster saying he wouldn't be surprised if they weren't aware the game was on.
The very best of good luck to Carlow hurlers and management." I remember when my own county's hurlers reached the Lory Meagher Final the first time & seeing the paltry effort the county board here made to see it as an opportunity to really promote hurling in our county. It was more or less left to the 3 hurling clubs themselves. No appetite, will or imagination.
keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 25/05/2023 10:16:09
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Replying To legendzxix: "Your talking about 2500 in Tullamore and 1200 in Tralee. Westmeath and Antrim aren't getting big numbers in Leinster either. The GAA need to look at is there anything they can do from an administrative level to try and nurture hurling teams getting more support from their own people.
My humble suggestion is the top teams in divisions 2A, 2B, 3A and 3B hosting the division finals. The runners-up in the final then can host a playoff versus 5th from the division above. In the case of 2A to Division 1, that can be the 2A runners-up at home versus the relegation final winner e.g. Kildare v Westmeath.
In the McDonagh, Ring, Rackard and Meagher I humbly suggest 2nd at home versus 3rd in the semi-finals. A high profile knockout leading into the final.
The ideal in the McDonagh would be the size of the crowd for Laois v Dublin in the preliminary quarter-final a few years back attending the semi-final." It would be great to see the crowd that was at the u20 Leinster Final at Joe Mac games.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11915 - 25/05/2023 10:29:26
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Replying To supersub15: "Who would think there is an All-Ireland senior hurling Joe Mc Donagh cup final in four days' time, Offaly are roasting hot favorites and rightly so even if it is so by the bookies 11/3 and the sporting press, so unless you are in the know you would never think it was Carlow who is the opposition. Offaly are making huge inroads in minor, under 20's, and senior in both codes let it be said and it's great for them to see that.
The Carlow hurling board for years has worked tirelessly to keep the hurling flag aloft shall we say, where as their football board counterparts appear to have a different attitude / approach.
Since the start of the Mc Donagh cup this year I counted 11 times Offaly were mentioned for one thing or another and their continued progress, Carlow got a mention when they qualified for the final, now why am I bringing this stuff into the arena now, well I read on the Carlow forum where some posters were disappointed that there was no flags flying in the town or for that matter in the county, I will stretch my point a little further in saying, how can we expect our youngsters, of all ages to go to our games, wear the county jersey, have the imagination to fly their own little makeshift of a flag if they continue to see our great little dual county getting the silent treatment or just being ignored, I have never experienced a county that apparently means so little to the gaa and our sporting press in particular.
I am not at all looking for Carlow's hurling and football opportunities to get monumental headlines far from it but small pointers that can be related back to the youngsters.
Finally, I also noticed a Carlow poster saying he wouldn't be surprised if they weren't aware the game was on.
The very best of good luck to Carlow hurlers and management." I alluded to it on another thread but reading your post I'd say it is similar. Whatever the arguments for or against the split season, the GAA is really struggling to get it's place in a sporting press at it's peak time of the year. European Finals, tournament soccer, end of season finals, league programmes finishing etc all have to get space.
The Munster senior championship has been the best ever in my opinion but it's more about going looking for the games than the media having significant coverage. The reality is if the Munster Senior Championship is struggling in a crowded press sector then whilst the Joe McDonagh Championship is a great tournament it is going to be pushed further down the priority list.
This is the reality for the new GAA season.
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