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Replying To legendzxix: "Saturday 6 May Joe McDonagh Cup round 4 Laois v Kildare, Laois Hire O'Moore Park, 2.30pm Sunday 7 May Joe McDonagh Cup round 4 Offaly v Kerry, Glenisk O'Connor Park, 1pm Down v Carlow, Ballycran, 1pm Laois and Carlow wins are more or less a certainty. Offaly are raging hot favourites on Sunday to secure a first ever McDonagh final. Carlow will be in a strong position after this weekend to secure a final spot. 3rd and 4th from last year." Laois and Carlow wins are not a certainty rather they are a possibility, also, Offaly are not raging hot favourites rather another possibility, a couple of weeks ago you had Kerry and Laois raging hot favourites. supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2907 - 06/05/2023 10:58:28 2476032 Link
Joe McDonagh Cup round 4 Laois 1-23 Kildare 0-11, Laois Hire O'Moore Park FT Offaly 1-24 Kerry 0-16, Glenisk O'Connor Park FT Down 0-28 Carlow 6-23, Ballycran FT Offaly - 8 Carlow - 6 Laois - 5 Kerry - 5 Kildare - 0 Down - 0 Offaly have qualified for their first ever McDonagh final. Carlow are current favourites to join them in the final. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7859 - 07/05/2023 14:55:59 2476380 Link
I would like to see that top 4 join a 16-team combined league/AIC. The top 4 would join the weakest team from Div 1B in a 5-team ranked Group C, with the Provincial 11 split between a higher 5-team Group A and lower 6-team Group B. Group A teams v Groups A & B (10 games); Group C teams v Groups C & B (10 games); and Group B teams v Groups A & C (10 games). Provincial Championships revert to KO, with AvB and AvA pairings used to 'double up' with the league, with any BvB ties played separately. Top 1 in the three groups are Champs, no NHL KO. One Up / One Down between the groups. Group B winner, joins all Group A and two Prov Champs in the AIC KO QFs - Prov Champs, likely from Group A or Group B winner get byes. omahant (USA) - Posts: 2603 - 07/05/2023 15:46:34 2476411 Link
Replying To omahant: "I would like to see that top 4 join a 16-team combined league/AIC. The top 4 would join the weakest team from Div 1B in a 5-team ranked Group C, with the Provincial 11 split between a higher 5-team Group A and lower 6-team Group B. Group A teams v Groups A & B (10 games); Group C teams v Groups C & B (10 games); and Group B teams v Groups A & C (10 games). Provincial Championships revert to KO, with AvB and AvA pairings used to 'double up' with the league, with any BvB ties played separately. Top 1 in the three groups are Champs, no NHL KO. One Up / One Down between the groups. Group B winner, joins all Group A and two Prov Champs in the AIC KO QFs - Prov Champs, likely from Group A or Group B winner get byes." Why, no matter the thread, do you post the most convoluted competition formats? Never straight forward. skirge7 (UK) - Posts: 251 - 07/05/2023 15:52:46 2476416 Link
Replying To legendzxix: "Joe McDonagh Cup round 4 Laois 1-23 Kildare 0-11, Laois Hire O'Moore Park FT Offaly 1-24 Kerry 0-16, Glenisk O'Connor Park FT Down 0-28 Carlow 6-23, Ballycran FT Offaly - 8 Carlow - 6 Laois - 5 Kerry - 5 Kildare - 0 Down - 0 Offaly have qualified for their first ever McDonagh final. Carlow are current favourites to join them in the final." Carlow have to go do what no team has done this year, and beat Offaly. A draw won't do them if Laois win. skirge7 (UK) - Posts: 251 - 07/05/2023 15:55:21 2476422 Link
Delighted to get the win in Ballycran, always a difficult place to go. Massive game for Carlow next Saturday. I don't think offaly will be taking it lightly either so carlow will have to bring their A game. Kerry and Laois still very much in the reckoning. Should make for a great evening of hurling. Here's hoping for a carlow win. Unusedsub (Carlow) - Posts: 79 - 07/05/2023 16:29:02 2476437 Link
Replying To skirge7: "Carlow have to go do what no team has done this year, and beat Offaly. A draw won't do them if Laois win." My suspicion is that Offaly will rest players for the final. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7859 - 07/05/2023 16:53:44 2476450 Link
Replying To legendzxix: "My suspicion is that Offaly will rest players for the final." A bit like Antrim v Kerry in the last round last year? Passer_By (Carlow) - Posts: 509 - 07/05/2023 18:11:10 2476475 Link
Replying To skirge7: "Why, no matter the thread, do you post the most convoluted competition formats? Never straight forward." Spot on Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11915 - 07/05/2023 18:47:31 2476487 Link
Replying To Passer_By: "A bit like Antrim v Kerry in the last round last year?" Similar scenario. Went against Carlow last year. Going in their favour this year. There is very little room for error in the McDonagh. Laois or Kerry will be out after 1 loss and 1 draw. There would be an argument for the league setup in McDonagh. 2nd at home to third in a semi-final with the top team going direct to the final. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7859 - 07/05/2023 19:58:50 2476516 Link
Great performance yesterday from Carlow, although the score did flatter them somewhat, as Brain Tracey pulled out 3/4 great saves in goal. Big difference in this Johnny Kelly has a big decision to make this weekend on whether to rest players or not. Being already in the final, and players with alot of games under their belts, he may decide it's a good opportunity to give lads a rest before the final. Also, they may prefer to play Carlow in the final instead of Laois (I'd expect them to beat Kerry). On the other hand, there's a two week break between the final round and the final itself. May decide three weeks is too long a break and will want the players to have another game under their belts going into it. I personally don't see Offaly making wholesale changes. Any lads carrying knocks won't be risked. but other than that, it'll be Offaly's strongest side lining out against Carlow, which is the way it should be. TaosHum (Carlow) - Posts: 236 - 08/05/2023 06:48:02 2476589 Link
One of the big talking points about the McDonagh Cup has been Kildare. After almost going up to Div 1 they now face being relegated again. While I expect them to beat Down it's anything but guaranteed. oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1380 - 08/05/2023 10:15:52 2476628 Link
Donal og cusack and Jackie tyrell were right about the lack of tv coverage hurling is getting. The McDonagh Cup did manage about 2 minutes of coverage last night though which is an improvement. It's no way to try to promote the game, the gaa are responsible. Unusedsub (Carlow) - Posts: 79 - 08/05/2023 13:53:51 2476735 Link
Replying To oneoff: "One of the big talking points about the McDonagh Cup has been Kildare. After almost going up to Div 1 they now face being relegated again. While I expect them to beat Down it's anything but guaranteed." Are Kildare going to division 2? The lost the 2a final to offaly. skirge7 (UK) - Posts: 251 - 08/05/2023 15:01:41 2476764 Link
Replying To Unusedsub: "Donal og cusack and Jackie tyrell were right about the lack of tv coverage hurling is getting. The McDonagh Cup did manage about 2 minutes of coverage last night though which is an improvement. It's no way to try to promote the game, the gaa are responsible." Hurling gets as much if not more coverage than football. And I'd say it's completely lobsided given the playing numbers. There used to be 4 games in the Munster championship. 1 qf, 2 semis and a final. It's now as if they want the whole round robin covered. If the had a Joe mcdonagh game on every week they still complain about lack of coverage. It's more Munster championship they want not more hurling skirge7 (UK) - Posts: 251 - 08/05/2023 15:04:23 2476766 Link
Replying To skirge7: "Hurling gets as much if not more coverage than football. And I'd say it's completely lobsided given the playing numbers. There used to be 4 games in the Munster championship. 1 qf, 2 semis and a final. It's now as if they want the whole round robin covered. If the had a Joe mcdonagh game on every week they still complain about lack of coverage. It's more Munster championship they want not more hurling" I don't disagree with too many posts here but when you say hurling gets as much coverage as football I'm calling bs on that. I don't have anything against football, I actually played more football than hurling in my day. I never said anything about McDonagh Cup getting live coverage, I just pointed out the fact it received about 2 minutes of coverage on the Sunday game. Unusedsub (Carlow) - Posts: 79 - 08/05/2023 21:16:31 2476896 Link
Replying To skirge7: "Hurling gets as much if not more coverage than football. And I'd say it's completely lobsided given the playing numbers. There used to be 4 games in the Munster championship. 1 qf, 2 semis and a final. It's now as if they want the whole round robin covered. If the had a Joe mcdonagh game on every week they still complain about lack of coverage. It's more Munster championship they want not more hurling" I'd agree with that. Carlow played Laois a few weeks back in the McDonagh in what turned out to be a cracking game, but I doubt there was 1500 at it. Taking into account they are neighbouring counties and challenging for a place in the final, it says alot about the interest levels in both counties. This is in contrast to the NFL game played in March between the two counties, where there was at least 3000 at the it. Over double the amount of people attended a Division 4 league game, over a Championship hurling match. It's hard to argue that any McDonagh game should be shown live, when by all accounts, attendances have been average. If people within the counties competing aren't showing up, I can't imagine the demand to see the games outside it is too great. Also, out of the 12 games played so far, 8 (I think) have been decided by 10 points or more. TaosHum (Carlow) - Posts: 236 - 09/05/2023 16:47:10 2477086 Link
Replying To TaosHum: "I'd agree with that. Carlow played Laois a few weeks back in the McDonagh in what turned out to be a cracking game, but I doubt there was 1500 at it. Taking into account they are neighbouring counties and challenging for a place in the final, it says alot about the interest levels in both counties. This is in contrast to the NFL game played in March between the two counties, where there was at least 3000 at the it. Over double the amount of people attended a Division 4 league game, over a Championship hurling match. It's hard to argue that any McDonagh game should be shown live, when by all accounts, attendances have been average. If people within the counties competing aren't showing up, I can't imagine the demand to see the games outside it is too great. Also, out of the 12 games played so far, 8 (I think) have been decided by 10 points or more." I don't think it has been the success some hurling fans make it out to be. Low attendances and no real increase in quality with the exception of Antrim. Rolo2010 (Donegal) - Posts: 739 - 09/05/2023 19:29:55 2477128 Link
Replying To skirge7: "Hurling gets as much if not more coverage than football. And I'd say it's completely lobsided given the playing numbers. There used to be 4 games in the Munster championship. 1 qf, 2 semis and a final. It's now as if they want the whole round robin covered. If the had a Joe mcdonagh game on every week they still complain about lack of coverage. It's more Munster championship they want not more hurling" The problem is the likes of Donal Og will only be happy is there's nothing but hurling on and will always claim there's not enough of it. oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1380 - 09/05/2023 21:46:31 2477150 Link
Replying To Rolo2010: "I don't think it has been the success some hurling fans make it out to be. Low attendances and no real increase in quality with the exception of Antrim." And Westmeath, Offaly and Carlow. Its a great competition for teams to play a lot of matches against teams the same standard. Its helped Westmeath get up to a level where they drew with Wexford. Its helped Offaly get back to a decent standard after their recent drop. Its helped Carlow get back to a level where they can compete with the best teams in the MacDonagh cup. carlovia (None) - Posts: 1517 - 10/05/2023 09:32:29 2477177 Link