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Football Quarter Finalists

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Championship starts this week so just wondering everyone's thought's on who will still be standing come the quarter finals? Based on form you'd probably be looking at something like:

Kerry
Dublin
Mayo
Galway
Tyrone
Armagh
Derry
Roscommon

But most year's there's at least one or two unfancied quarter finalists. Any of the following could get a run going:

Monaghan
Donegal
Cavan
Louth
Kildare
Clare
Cork
Cavan
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A Another (None) - Posts: 192 - 04/04/2023 13:46:25    2468781

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Potential group stage seedings:
Mayo, Kerry, Dublin, Derry
Cork, Sligo, Armagh, Louth
Galway, Roscommon, Tyrone, Monaghan
Donegal, Kildare, Meath, Westmeath

Galway, Roscommon, Tyrone and Armagh would want to avoid each other in the group stage if they are to reach the quarter-finals. If any of them finish third, they could travelling away to a Division 1 opponent from this year in the preliminary quarter-finals.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7716 - 04/04/2023 17:17:44    2468863

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Replying To legendzxix:  "Potential group stage seedings:
Mayo, Kerry, Dublin, Derry
Cork, Sligo, Armagh, Louth
Galway, Roscommon, Tyrone, Monaghan
Donegal, Kildare, Meath, Westmeath

Galway, Roscommon, Tyrone and Armagh would want to avoid each other in the group stage if they are to reach the quarter-finals. If any of them finish third, they could travelling away to a Division 1 opponent from this year in the preliminary quarter-finals."
You seem pretty sure that Mayo and Derry will win their provincial championships. Anyone of three division 1 team could win Connacht and I'm expecting Tyrone to win Ulster this year.

Gaa_lover (USA) - Posts: 3307 - 04/04/2023 18:53:58    2468883

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Replying To legendzxix:  "Potential group stage seedings:
Mayo, Kerry, Dublin, Derry
Cork, Sligo, Armagh, Louth
Galway, Roscommon, Tyrone, Monaghan
Donegal, Kildare, Meath, Westmeath

Galway, Roscommon, Tyrone and Armagh would want to avoid each other in the group stage if they are to reach the quarter-finals. If any of them finish third, they could travelling away to a Division 1 opponent from this year in the preliminary quarter-finals."
I agree with provincial winners getting the no1 seeds, but there is no logic whatsoever in the provincial runnersup getting a no2 seed. What are the perks of being a no2 'seed' there, compared to a no3 seed? Is it no perks at all? If so, it won't matter a damn one way or the other whether you're a 2 3 or 4 seed. It looks odd, declaring weaker sides no2 seeds, but if 'higher' seeding, 2over3 or 4 etc, carries no perks, then it won't matter a jot whether you're a 2 3 or 4 once the games begin.

Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3360 - 04/04/2023 19:03:07    2468888

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Replying To legendzxix:  "Potential group stage seedings:
Mayo, Kerry, Dublin, Derry
Cork, Sligo, Armagh, Louth
Galway, Roscommon, Tyrone, Monaghan
Donegal, Kildare, Meath, Westmeath

Galway, Roscommon, Tyrone and Armagh would want to avoid each other in the group stage if they are to reach the quarter-finals. If any of them finish third, they could travelling away to a Division 1 opponent from this year in the preliminary quarter-finals."
I'm looking forward to it, in a way it makes the provincials a bit pointless, easy enough road for Kerry and Dublin to get top seeds and avoid each other,
it's going to be interesting and something different, but I think the whole intercounty season is far too rushed, I think having the Championship start a month later with the All Ireland final in late Aug or Sept would do the profile of the sport much better service.
As it is from July to January next year there's nothing on the national stage.

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 2670 - 04/04/2023 19:08:23    2468889

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It's difficult to call. Only thing fairly predictable are the first and second seeds with Dublin and Kerry sure to be first seeds, and Mayo and Galway one of other - apologies to Rossies but can't see them beating Mayo.

You could then have pretty imbalanced groups. The one with the Ulster winner, Leinster runner up and two others be a handy one for the Ulster champion and puts a premium on winning it not there most years.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2415 - 04/04/2023 19:32:35    2468892

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Replying To legendzxix:  "Potential group stage seedings:
Mayo, Kerry, Dublin, Derry
Cork, Sligo, Armagh, Louth
Galway, Roscommon, Tyrone, Monaghan
Donegal, Kildare, Meath, Westmeath

Galway, Roscommon, Tyrone and Armagh would want to avoid each other in the group stage if they are to reach the quarter-finals. If any of them finish third, they could travelling away to a Division 1 opponent from this year in the preliminary quarter-finals."
If you want to get off to a good start would you be better in group 4.Doesn't 4 play 2 in the first game.

gunman (Donegal) - Posts: 1039 - 04/04/2023 19:33:02    2468893

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Replying To gunman:  "If you want to get off to a good start would you be better in group 4.Doesn't 4 play 2 in the first game."
Game 1: Seed 1 v Seed 3, Seed 2 v Seed 4
Game 2: Seed 3 v Seed 2, Seed 4 v Seed 1
Game 3 Neutral Venues: Seed 1 v Seed 2, Seed 3 v Seed 4

Seed 3 are away to Seed 1 but home to Seed 2. Seed 3s can pick up a win there. Seed 4 are away to Seed 2 and home to Seed 1. Seed 4s could be going into the final round without a win.
Seeds 1 and 2 are home in Round 1. An opportunity to get a win on the board. Seeds 1 are away to 4. An opportunity for 2 wins on the board.

High Probabilities after Round 2:
Seed 1 on 4 points.
Seed 3 on 2 points.
Seed 2 on 2 points.
Seed 4 on 0 points.

Final Round:
Seed 1 are playing Seed 2 to win the group having already qualified. Seed 2 could still win the group.
Seed 3 are playing Seed 4 to ensure qualification. Seed 4 could still qualify by beating Seed 3.
The danger again of finishing third is an away game against a Division 1 team.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7716 - 04/04/2023 20:10:00    2468903

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Replying To Pope_Benedict:  "I agree with provincial winners getting the no1 seeds, but there is no logic whatsoever in the provincial runnersup getting a no2 seed. What are the perks of being a no2 'seed' there, compared to a no3 seed? Is it no perks at all? If so, it won't matter a damn one way or the other whether you're a 2 3 or 4 seed. It looks odd, declaring weaker sides no2 seeds, but if 'higher' seeding, 2over3 or 4 etc, carries no perks, then it won't matter a jot whether you're a 2 3 or 4 once the games begin."
As it's Championship. They base the first 8 seeds in their Championship results, hence 1st seed for winners, 2nd for finalists. The next 7 are only by dint of League placing. I'm lot seeing why they'd have a higher seeding for doing poorly in the provincials, but just so happy to have an decent league placing. The seedings are fine. Championship results should be rewarded higher

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2329 - 04/04/2023 20:42:23    2468912

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Replying To Tirchonaill1:  "I'm looking forward to it, in a way it makes the provincials a bit pointless, easy enough road for Kerry and Dublin to get top seeds and avoid each other,
it's going to be interesting and something different, but I think the whole intercounty season is far too rushed, I think having the Championship start a month later with the All Ireland final in late Aug or Sept would do the profile of the sport much better service.
As it is from July to January next year there's nothing on the national stage."
Yeah agree, the process those seem hurried. Personally I was on favour of the system we saw in 2020.

With the club Championship running first, followed by the Inter-County games.

Certainly in 2020 those Inter-County matches helped us through that Covid-19 winter.

Twas very novel watching the All Ireland Finals on a December evening.

St.Mologga (Cork) - Posts: 88 - 05/04/2023 09:45:29    2468949

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