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Allow Christy Ring Cup Winner Enter The All-Ireland?

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Kildare were in the Ring Cup last year. Offaly have been down there previously. Meath are down there this year. It's a bit harsh to be relegating these counties from the McDonagh Cup which could be expanded. Allowing the Christy Ring winner enter the All-Ireland could offer these counties a lifeline. The Ring winner could host the McDonagh runner-up in a preliminary round. The winner hosting a provincial third placed team in the preliminary quarter-final. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7857 - 21/02/2023 12:55:27 2459577 Link
Replying To legendzxix: "Kildare were in the Ring Cup last year. Offaly have been down there previously. Meath are down there this year. It's a bit harsh to be relegating these counties from the McDonagh Cup which could be expanded. Allowing the Christy Ring winner enter the All-Ireland could offer these counties a lifeline. The Ring winner could host the McDonagh runner-up in a preliminary round. The winner hosting a provincial third placed team in the preliminary quarter-final." Why do you think a team that wins at their level and gains promotion needs a lifeline? Ban (Westmeath) - Posts: 1415 - 21/02/2023 14:25:58 2459599 Link
no theres enough teams getting a go, its generous enough giving the mcdonagh runners up a go, leave it at that preddan (Kildare) - Posts: 738 - 21/02/2023 14:40:28 2459603 Link
By this logic the Nicky Rackard etc winners should be left do the same thing. I don't think it'd do any good to the other McDonagh cup teams if the Christy Ring winners just bypass them all. oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1380 - 21/02/2023 16:05:47 2459630 Link
Replying To Ban: "Why do you think a team that wins at their level and gains promotion needs a lifeline?" It's either that or expand the McDonagh Cup to 8 teams. Lower ranked counties get an unfair deal. Division 1 in hurling has 2 groups. Division 2 could have 2 groups as well with both finalists promoted. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7857 - 21/02/2023 18:12:44 2459660 Link
Replying To preddan: "no theres enough teams getting a go, its generous enough giving the mcdonagh runners up a go, leave it at that" The likes of Meath and Derry should be in an expanded McDonagh Cup. If the GAA are unwilling to expand the McDonagh, another solution must be found to throw these counties a lifeline. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7857 - 21/02/2023 18:14:33 2459661 Link
Replying To oneoff: "By this logic the Nicky Rackard etc winners should be left do the same thing. I don't think it'd do any good to the other McDonagh cup teams if the Christy Ring winners just bypass them all." The line has to be drawn somewhere: Top 3 in provincial groups. The top 2 in the McDonagh. The winner of the Ring Cup. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7857 - 21/02/2023 18:15:42 2459662 Link
No !!!! Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1424 - 21/02/2023 18:58:40 2459669 Link
Replying To legendzxix: "Kildare were in the Ring Cup last year. Offaly have been down there previously. Meath are down there this year. It's a bit harsh to be relegating these counties from the McDonagh Cup which could be expanded. Allowing the Christy Ring winner enter the All-Ireland could offer these counties a lifeline. The Ring winner could host the McDonagh runner-up in a preliminary round. The winner hosting a provincial third placed team in the preliminary quarter-final." Think it could be a chastening experience for the winners. Joe McD is a higher grade of championship. thelongridge (Offaly) - Posts: 1743 - 21/02/2023 19:48:14 2459679 Link
Replying To thelongridge: "Think it could be a chastening experience for the winners. Joe McD is a higher grade of championship." Just as the provincial championships are a higher grade of hurling. Should the likes of Offaly, Meath and Kildare be relegated to the Ring or should the McDonagh expand? McDonagh and Ring counties deserve fairness. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7857 - 22/02/2023 10:18:29 2459712 Link
Replying To legendzxix: "The line has to be drawn somewhere: Top 3 in provincial groups. The top 2 in the McDonagh. The winner of the Ring Cup." Yes it does. But not by letting the winners of one grade bypass everyone else. oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1380 - 22/02/2023 10:38:46 2459719 Link
Replying To legendzxix: "It's either that or expand the McDonagh Cup to 8 teams. Lower ranked counties get an unfair deal. Division 1 in hurling has 2 groups. Division 2 could have 2 groups as well with both finalists promoted." I think after the last few years we would be better following the old system or football system tbh. Only with a 6 team division 1, 6 team division 2, basically the old 1a and 1b, 6 team division 3, 6 team division 4 and/or however many is need so all counties that want to field a League team have a level to play at. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11910 - 22/02/2023 10:38:57 2459720 Link
The McDonagh Cup could expand to 8 teams as follows: Seeds 1: Laois and Kerry Seeds 2: Carlow and Offaly Seeds 3: Down and Kildare Seeds 4: Meath and Derry Every team should play one team from each seeding bracket. That will be 4 group games, 2 at home and 2 away. The top 4 teams should qualify for the semi-finals. The bottom 4 teams should playoff in relegation semi-finals. All this can be achieved within the current McDonagh Cup timescale. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7857 - 22/02/2023 10:55:26 2459727 Link
Replying To legendzxix: "It's either that or expand the McDonagh Cup to 8 teams. Lower ranked counties get an unfair deal. Division 1 in hurling has 2 groups. Division 2 could have 2 groups as well with both finalists promoted." Then I would think it would be necessary to combine the Christy Ring with the Nicky Rackard cos if you take 2 teams out of the Ring and put them in the McDonagh the Ring wouldnt be much of a competition with so few teams left in it. PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1903 - 22/02/2023 13:17:37 2459764 Link
Replying To oneoff: "Yes it does. But not by letting the winners of one grade bypass everyone else." This response is one I agree with. The Christy Ring top team should not supercede the McDonagh Cup winner. thelongridge (Offaly) - Posts: 1743 - 22/02/2023 16:09:07 2459797 Link
Replying To PoolSturgeon: "Then I would think it would be necessary to combine the Christy Ring with the Nicky Rackard cos if you take 2 teams out of the Ring and put them in the McDonagh the Ring wouldnt be much of a competition with so few teams left in it." Yeah, that should be part of an ongoing assessment of the various tiers. It's unfair on Meath and any of the current McDonagh teams to be threatened with relegation unless warranted. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7857 - 22/02/2023 16:30:02 2459799 Link
I think the big issue is the 5 tiers and it's 4 tiers to divide 20 teams. Would seem like a top tier plus 3 tiers of 8 would be more than enough. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4226 - 23/02/2023 10:20:04 2459842 Link
Replying To legendzxix: "Yeah, that should be part of an ongoing assessment of the various tiers. It's unfair on Meath and any of the current McDonagh teams to be threatened with relegation unless warranted." Where do you draw the line on what's warranted? No team is going to think getting relegated is warranted. If you just keep taking teams out of the Christy Ring there's no point in having it. oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1380 - 23/02/2023 10:35:01 2459848 Link
Replying To oneoff: "Where do you draw the line on what's warranted? No team is going to think getting relegated is warranted. If you just keep taking teams out of the Christy Ring there's no point in having it." Offaly and Kildare were too strong for the Christy Ring in recent years. Meath will probably be too strong this year. Where a clear pattern emerges over 3 years, there should be a reassessment of the tiered boundaries. The current Christy Ring runner-up will gain more from joining Meath and the McDonagh counties for a year than the relegated McDonagh team will get in the Ring. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7857 - 23/02/2023 11:09:49 2459857 Link
Replying To legendzxix: "Offaly and Kildare were too strong for the Christy Ring in recent years. Meath will probably be too strong this year. Where a clear pattern emerges over 3 years, there should be a reassessment of the tiered boundaries. The current Christy Ring runner-up will gain more from joining Meath and the McDonagh counties for a year than the relegated McDonagh team will get in the Ring." It took Offaly two attempts to win the Christy Ring so they weren't obviously too strong the first year. Kildare are only in recent years after getting back on track and obviously haven't been strong enough to stay in the McDonagh cup. Carlow had dropped back down to the Christy Ring in recent years and whst did they do? Regrouped win it and then won the McDonagh cup. In your system they should have just been left in the McDonagh cup. oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1380 - 23/02/2023 12:46:50 2459876 Link