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Correction Wicklow need to beat Wexford and Waterford both away games. It will be a tough ask. Wicklowman (Wicklow) - Posts: 1138 - 05/03/2023 16:07:05 2461980 Link
It's as tight as a ducks arse at the top of the table.If Laois and Sligo win both of their games it's very simple as they will finish in top 2 and get promoted. However a lot of things could change. For me Wicklow have the easiest run in and I expect them to win their last 2 games leaving them on 11 points. If the unthinkable happens and Leitrim beat Laois and Sligo they would then be on 10 points the same as Sligo who I think will beat Carlow. Laois will also be on 10 points so it will go to score difference which at the moment favours Leitrim and that will only get better with 2 positive results in their last 2 games. But.... Laois have London in their last game and they could dish out a pasting to them and pass Leitrim out on score difference. As the old saying goes it's all to play for !!! eoinog (Sligo) - Posts: 1648 - 05/03/2023 21:33:52 2462155 Link
Only thing this weekend has done is put Wexford out of the running and probably reduced Leitrim's chances of promotion to very very slim. I expect Wicklow to win their last two games giving them 11. Laois will beat London and Sligo will work Carlow too. While I think Leitrim's chances of promotion are gone, I wouldn't put it past them to scupper the plans of Laois or Sligo. Essentially both Sligo and Laois need 3 points from the next two games. Sligoman1234 (Sligo) - Posts: 356 - 06/03/2023 10:14:50 2462197 Link
Good win for Laois, but we missed 4 excellent goal chances, and if this comes down to points difference we could really regret not taking those scores. Fair play to Eoin Lowry, a quiet night from Paul Kingston and Evan O'Carroll but Lowry stood up and kicked 2-6 when needed, he has been quiet in front of goals by his own high standards so far in the league, hope he kicks on now. Evan was an excellent target man all evening, such a shame he missed the Wicklow match as I think we would've won if we had him. Both he and Timmons looked like they picked up knocks and were substituted, just hope that was only precautionary and they are back for the Leitrim match. Not surprised to see Wicklow win, they are a good outfit, O'Toole in midfield and Quinn at full forward especially are a step above Div 4. Promotion still in Laois' hands, but while we have played well in 20 min spurts in each game we haven't really put in a solid 70 minute performance, we'll need to play our best game so far to beat Leitrim in Carrick. Win that and we should be promoted, but if Leitrim turn us over as said above it it'll become a bit of a dog fight and will probably come down to score difference! Laoisvillian (Laois) - Posts: 76 - 06/03/2023 15:01:18 2462331 Link
On a different note, how are attendances at other Div 4 counties? Another very disappointing turnout in Portlaoise last weekend, only a couple of hundred at it on a dry crisp evening. We are a very poor county for turning out to support the lads and are often out numbered by opposition fans in our own pitch. I know being in Div 4 doesn't help and numbers always seem to be especially down if there's hurling on the same weekend, can't expect families to get to both games I suppose, but even still when there's 30 lads giving every bit of themselves to train and play for the jersey, least people can do is show up and cheer them on. I keep hearing about Division 1 & 2 attendances being way up, are Laois an outlier or is everyone in Division 4 seeing the same as me? Laoisvillian (Laois) - Posts: 76 - 06/03/2023 17:03:18 2462381 Link
Replying To Laoisvillian: "On a different note, how are attendances at other Div 4 counties? Another very disappointing turnout in Portlaoise last weekend, only a couple of hundred at it on a dry crisp evening. We are a very poor county for turning out to support the lads and are often out numbered by opposition fans in our own pitch. I know being in Div 4 doesn't help and numbers always seem to be especially down if there's hurling on the same weekend, can't expect families to get to both games I suppose, but even still when there's 30 lads giving every bit of themselves to train and play for the jersey, least people can do is show up and cheer them on. I keep hearing about Division 1 & 2 attendances being way up, are Laois an outlier or is everyone in Division 4 seeing the same as me?" Had a big crowd against London, 3500 official I think, and had a couple of thousand max at the Leitrim game probably less. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11714 - 06/03/2023 17:49:58 2462400 Link
Replying To Laoisvillian: "On a different note, how are attendances at other Div 4 counties? Another very disappointing turnout in Portlaoise last weekend, only a couple of hundred at it on a dry crisp evening. We are a very poor county for turning out to support the lads and are often out numbered by opposition fans in our own pitch. I know being in Div 4 doesn't help and numbers always seem to be especially down if there's hurling on the same weekend, can't expect families to get to both games I suppose, but even still when there's 30 lads giving every bit of themselves to train and play for the jersey, least people can do is show up and cheer them on. I keep hearing about Division 1 & 2 attendances being way up, are Laois an outlier or is everyone in Division 4 seeing the same as me?" Carlow's crowds have been exceptionally high for our two home games so far. Never saw bigger crowds for league games. I'd say 2,000 to 2,500 at Wicklow game and 3,000 at the Leix game. Our next home game is v Sligo and lo and behold the GAA have put it on at 5pm Saturday week - a direct clash with Ireland England in the rugby. With Carlow now out of promotion hunt I'd say we'll have about 40 at it. Onion Breath (Carlow) - Posts: 1412 - 06/03/2023 20:06:49 2462431 Link
Well promotion comes down to a final day dog fight, great bit of excitement! Fair play to Leitrim, I didn't fancy us to go to Carrick and get a result and goals proved the difference. Thoughts are with Eoin Lowry who ended up in Sligo Hospital after a bad tackle, never nice to hear. So now Laois need a favour from Leitrim as far as I can tell. We all expect Wicklow to beat Waterford so anything other than a Leitrim draw/win would leave Sligo & Wicklow promoted, is that right? Maybe all that excitement will lead to a small bit of national spotlight for the Divison 4 counties...but I doubt it Laoisvillian (Laois) - Posts: 76 - 20/03/2023 12:00:02 2465097 Link
Replying To Laoisvillian: "Well promotion comes down to a final day dog fight, great bit of excitement! Fair play to Leitrim, I didn't fancy us to go to Carrick and get a result and goals proved the difference. Thoughts are with Eoin Lowry who ended up in Sligo Hospital after a bad tackle, never nice to hear. So now Laois need a favour from Leitrim as far as I can tell. We all expect Wicklow to beat Waterford so anything other than a Leitrim draw/win would leave Sligo & Wicklow promoted, is that right? Maybe all that excitement will lead to a small bit of national spotlight for the Divison 4 counties...but I doubt it" Sligo win/draw it will be Sligo and Wicklow assuming fairly confidently both Wicklow and Laois win against Waterford and London respectfully. Leitrim win and Laois are in. Sligo will regret not beating Waterford by 6-8 points more which they should have done and leaking late goals to Wexford. Then they could sick back fairly happy heading to Carrick with a healthier score difference. Sligoman1234 (Sligo) - Posts: 356 - 20/03/2023 13:17:36 2465150 Link
Yes I think it's pretty simple. If Leitrim win then it will be a Leitrim Laois final and if Sligo win then it will be a Sligo Wicklow final. It's a fair assumption to think Wicklow will beat Waterford and Laois will beat London. Champotime18 (Leitrim) - Posts: 442 - 20/03/2023 13:49:12 2465172 Link
That Wicklow win away to Laois is looking to be the key result. Bookies and their punters has Sligo and Wicklow for promotion now. Leitrim if they miss out have fought a good fight. Laois who was expected to top the Div 4 table before it all started will have more questions than answers about themselves after this campaign. Gaa_lover (USA) - Posts: 3336 - 20/03/2023 13:50:48 2465175 Link
Replying To Laoisvillian: "Well promotion comes down to a final day dog fight, great bit of excitement! Fair play to Leitrim, I didn't fancy us to go to Carrick and get a result and goals proved the difference. Thoughts are with Eoin Lowry who ended up in Sligo Hospital after a bad tackle, never nice to hear. So now Laois need a favour from Leitrim as far as I can tell. We all expect Wicklow to beat Waterford so anything other than a Leitrim draw/win would leave Sligo & Wicklow promoted, is that right? Maybe all that excitement will lead to a small bit of national spotlight for the Divison 4 counties...but I doubt it" A Leitrim draw is no good to Laois. In that case, there would just be themselves and Wicklow level on 10 points (assuming both teams win their final game , which they should) and Wicklow would then go up based on the head-to-head. If Leitrim, Laois and Wicklow all win, then it goes to scoring difference and Laois would likely finish in the top two in that scenario. A one point win for Leitrim (which is very possible) would leave themselves and Sligo level on both points and scoring difference - I'm not sure how that gets resolved if Laois and Wicklow are also level with them on points. Gaillimh_Abu (Galway) - Posts: 996 - 20/03/2023 13:54:33 2465178 Link
Yeah that confirms what twitter was telling me. Sligo and Wicklow in the driving seat so, hopefully there's a couple of twists to come! Up Leitrim! Laoisvillian (Laois) - Posts: 76 - 20/03/2023 14:19:43 2465196 Link
As far as I know, the Div 4 is slated for Sunday week, the weekend before the championship games in New York and London. Fairest thing would be to schedule that game after Leitrim and Sligo's involvement in championship action is at an end. Would be a nice season closer for both of them, a chance to play for silverware in Croke Park. Tacaí Liatroma (Leitrim) - Posts: 1029 - 20/03/2023 20:43:02 2465370 Link
Replying To Tacaí Liatroma: "As far as I know, the Div 4 is slated for Sunday week, the weekend before the championship games in New York and London. Fairest thing would be to schedule that game after Leitrim and Sligo's involvement in championship action is at an end. Would be a nice season closer for both of them, a chance to play for silverware in Croke Park." That makes no sense and won't happen. They will keep to the schedule. You can't start changing it eoinog (Sligo) - Posts: 1648 - 21/03/2023 11:16:16 2465432 Link
Replying To eoinog: "That makes no sense and won't happen. They will keep to the schedule. You can't start changing it" He said it would be the fairest thing to do- not that it will happen so you don't have to be getting so wound up about it- it was a suggestion that it would be fair, not a proposal for congress. Relax!! Leitrimdivide (Leitrim) - Posts: 84 - 21/03/2023 11:38:54 2465440 Link
Replying To Gaillimh_Abu: "A Leitrim draw is no good to Laois. In that case, there would just be themselves and Wicklow level on 10 points (assuming both teams win their final game , which they should) and Wicklow would then go up based on the head-to-head. If Leitrim, Laois and Wicklow all win, then it goes to scoring difference and Laois would likely finish in the top two in that scenario. A one point win for Leitrim (which is very possible) would leave themselves and Sligo level on both points and scoring difference - I'm not sure how that gets resolved if Laois and Wicklow are also level with them on points." Incorrect. Leitrim are +29, Sligo are +26. Leitrim are thus guaranteed to finish above Sligo if they beat them on Sunday. MagnumPIG (Leitrim) - Posts: 143 - 21/03/2023 14:08:00 2465488 Link
Replying To Leitrimdivide: "He said it would be the fairest thing to do- not that it will happen so you don't have to be getting so wound up about it- it was a suggestion that it would be fair, not a proposal for congress. Relax!!" Ah I just have no patience for nonsense. People are putting up posts that are totally inaccurate re how the table will finish and not knowing if points difference or Head to head is most important. Does my head in that's all.A suggestion to change the league final falls into that category. Mayo v Galway could very well be in the Div 1 final. Do people want that changed also because they could meet in Connacht Championship? eoinog (Sligo) - Posts: 1648 - 21/03/2023 14:47:41 2465508 Link
Wicklow are the least ready of all the teams for promotion and probably would benefit more from another year in 4 than going up at this stage. FrankieJoe (Wicklow) - Posts: 71 - 21/03/2023 20:40:32 2465629 Link
Replying To eoinog: "Ah I just have no patience for nonsense. People are putting up posts that are totally inaccurate re how the table will finish and not knowing if points difference or Head to head is most important. Does my head in that's all.A suggestion to change the league final falls into that category. Mayo v Galway could very well be in the Div 1 final. Do people want that changed also because they could meet in Connacht Championship?" I know that things are scheduled for when they're scheduled. And I know that a sporting organisation that wants to look professional will stick to that schedule. Like if they did move the Div 4 final, they'd have to postpone club championships, and there's no guarantee of when a county's championship run will end; and with one of the counties in the race for Sam and the other in the Tailteann Cup, those runs will probably end at different times, so you'd be probably interrupting one county's club championships before the other's has begun. But the idea of a fairer timing for the Div 4 final isn't nonsense. Tacaí Liatroma (Leitrim) - Posts: 1029 - 22/03/2023 07:52:19 2465651 Link