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They will do a bit of searching. Eamon Cregan and Bond is the only ones I can think of. I can't see how Davy's style can work but I hope he proves me wrong. He wants the full backs pushing up to create scores but if you are turned over the ball will end up in your net as happened against Tipp. Cody won his All-Irelands by having the half forwards coming back to help the half backs. Whoever gained possession then someone was expected to get forward into attacking position. In essence half forwards and half back were the same type of players with the same roll. Waterford are and were always a flamboyant type of team. Conceding a lot of scores but getting a lot of scores when successful. Hutchison and Bennett may as well stay in Ballygunner and Ballysaggart if this is the only plan. Maybe there is more. Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2653 - 20/03/2023 16:28:04 2465279 Link 1 |
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It has become a bit of a fad now, the outside manager, Even Galway with a wealth of experience on both sides of the line have gone that way. I think it's a concept past it's best by date. In Dublin's case it certainly made sense and was hugely beneficial with Anthony coming from where Dublin were at the time. Since then we've had good managers and Kenny obviously brought a lot from both Galway and Cuala but we were no further on from before. I think O'Donoghue is good, but I'd have favoured Joe Fortune, who although a Wexford man, knows Dublin club and inter county underage as well as anyone, He was committed to Westmeath of course. Not sure if he was even asked, There's probably no-one else within the country who even got a second thought. BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2511 - 20/03/2023 16:46:00 2465292 Link 0 |
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Dermot Healy is another, Tiobraid, but I can't think of anyone else. It seems only Offaly can succeed with an outsider.
midlands (Westmeath) - Posts: 539 - 20/03/2023 17:06:38 2465299 Link 1 |
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https://www.gaa.ie/hurling/news/upcoming-allianz-hurling-league-fixtures-x7059/
TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1652 - 20/03/2023 17:16:27 2465304 Link 0 |
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No offence Viking but the jury is very much out. It was a huge risk for Wexford to appoint such an inexperienced man. I'm still baffled by it to be quite honest. I know for sure his heart will be in the right place but how long can someone travel from north Tipp to wexford? tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 20/03/2023 17:19:34 2465305 Link 1 |
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Davy hasn't got a great track record at getting the most out of inside forwards. Essentially the basic gameplan is to concede less and therefore win more games. That doesn't neccessarily mean playing a sweeper. But flamboyant free scoring teams who have players who won't put in the hard work when they don't have the ball haven't proven successful ever tbh. Kilkenny's great team of the noughties was built on workrate and intensity. Both Tipp and Waterford had great players during that time. But rarely matched Kilkenny in those basic attributes and consequently usually lost. In 2010 and 2016 and 2019 Tipp played like beserkers to win AIs. Likewise Cork in 2004 and 2005 were some of the fittest lads those years and never gave up running. The other years they didn't quite, and came up short.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11693 - 20/03/2023 17:39:36 2465314 Link 0 |
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Until you get your best hurlers playing for the county as adults you are likely to come up short again. Doesn't matter if the manager is from Dublin, Clare, Galway or Wexford Barney.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11693 - 20/03/2023 17:41:13 2465315 Link 0 |
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Limerick/Tipp throwing in at 7.30 in garlic grounds..munster rugby will probably be finished around time people will be going to hurling..going to leave parking at a premium.. CTGAA10 (Limerick) - Posts: 2202 - 20/03/2023 17:46:57 2465321 Link 0 |
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When I said longterm planning I didnt mean that he envisages being the manager longterm. Only that he's taking a longterm view as regards planning for Wexford's future. Other managers weren't interested in that so he should be commended. Lads like Carty, Higgins, Clarke, Murphy, Jake Firman , Coleman were playing intercounty u21 back around 2017 and 2018 and are only getting significant gametime and/or attention from the intercounty management now. Hearne is even older. These lads should've been in around the panel in 2019 and 2020, getting S and C and nutrition programmes and gametime in the League and Senior standard training, as Galway and Cork did with their good players from that year. And more importantly as Egan is doing now with the lads who finished up at u20 last year and the year before. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11693 - 20/03/2023 17:52:25 2465323 Link 0 |
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Well, Viking these counties better look else where to change their fortunes other than outside managers while saving money and appreciating their own. In a world where stats are used for everything now, they show no value in bring results or changing fortunes with outside managers. So you are correct winning has nothing to do with where the manager is from. Waterford only achievement was a league tittle last year. There are people in Waterford and other counties who have dedicated their lives to our sports and have the best knowledge of the county. Michael Ryan was dumped after just loosing one game in a season. A proven leader of teams. Player power did that. Sean Power knew the strength of those under age team and gave the green light to attack. The Bennetts, Patrick Curran and others ripped teams a part. He applied and was not granted an interview. Watch what he will do with the camogie team now. Saying under age is different does not cut it for me either.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2653 - 20/03/2023 19:17:51 2465354 Link 1 |
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Strange call to go with Saturday for that reason. Do you think Limerick will go full strength or at least to what they have available? I think Kiely will be conscious of giving players game time and not overloading the regulars, as if they win that's a lot of games in a short period if you include the Munster chsip games. They'll want to win the league now but I think he will definitely be conscious of that - balancing act considering some haven't played all that much yet... You cant really play Gillane and Byrnes potentially 9 weeks out of 12/13 (whatever it is) considering their pre-season. Regardless how the game is going I think you might see certain players coming off/on after 45 mins on Saturday. Same problem for Tipp of course but we dont have the same luxury of being pretty much assured a place in the latter stages of cship tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 21/03/2023 09:57:32 2465410 Link 1 |
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I never get out the fiddle for these managers they get well looked after for driving from North Tipp to Wexford. Davy didn't drive from Clare to Wexford for the good of Wexford.....
ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1115 - 21/03/2023 10:51:20 2465425 Link 0 |
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Limerick are still in prep mode and will be balancing the minutes throughout the squad. WoD, Byrnes, Gillane, Lynch, Nash, Hannon, Mike Casey, Peter Casey(lesser extent) all need a lot more minutes as they haven't been given a lot in the 5 matches. I'd expect all 8 to start Saturday. Adam Emglish and Shane o brien are out for the 20s tomorrow night so they should still ferrite possibly on the bench. Finn will probably get a start after sitting out wexford and westmeath matches. He might start Coughlin and rest Hayes at 7. I think WoD might be partnered again with DoD as they've played very little together this year. Either way he'll have the usual 10-11 so called starters in the team for Saturday as they've played very little together as a whole this year. The league as I felt was ideal prep for Limerick this year as the squad has never been stronger/healthier and kiely wanted to give everyone their shot. Kiely will also want to look at a couple of the younger lads Saturday I feel to see how they cope with what I'm expecting to be a very fired up Tipp team
daveboy (Limerick) - Posts: 1120 - 21/03/2023 11:37:13 2465439 Link 0 |
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Can't wait for Saturday evening 1930hrs limrik v Tipperary live on TG4.....I'll be glued to the box, hon Tipp!!! katser (Galway) - Posts: 2192 - 21/03/2023 11:44:31 2465444 Link 0 |
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No fiddle out here either. You'll find most of them arent over exerted in their day jobs
tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 21/03/2023 12:05:48 2465452 Link 0 |
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Limerick obviously have the skilled players number one but there is more to it than that. How you use them to get the best out of them and the results is a huge factor. Their mental attitude to winning and handling any adversary is tops. At one stage early in this dominance when the attitude quivered a little it was corrected quickly and someone or all in that management group knew how to do that. Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2653 - 21/03/2023 12:54:29 2465467 Link 0 |
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That's it in a nut shell
Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 1895 - 21/03/2023 13:15:52 2465471 Link 0 |
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Would agree with that,plus I think losing to Kilkenny in 2019,long term was a good thing for this Limerick team.
cityman73 (Limerick) - Posts: 775 - 21/03/2023 14:01:57 2465485 Link 0 |
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Agree 100%, but it is easier said than done given all that goes with being a Dublin footballer.
ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1115 - 21/03/2023 14:08:07 2465489 Link 0 |
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Things must be bad if you have a Galway woman shouting for Tipp. By God
tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 21/03/2023 14:50:31 2465510 Link 2 |