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Replying To Dealer:  "I'm very happy for Peter Casey to get MoM last night but he wasn't my choice. I'd have picked Cian Lynch just ahead of Diarmuid Byrnes (who is my constant favourite Limerick hurler). I call him The Great Diarmuid Byrnes in my match monologues.

It's fantastic for Limerick to see Cian Lynch play like he did yesterday because he's a generational talent and we missed him badly. I understand the mantra of next man up but you don't replace players like him. The big difference between our Munster championship form and our All Ireland series form is Cian Lynch.

I am bemused by some of the stuff on the Sunday game last night. Jackie Tyrell seems to have away too much sway on it because the player of the year is Aaron Gillane and it's not particularly close. I love Kyle Hayes but he's not PoY. When we were struggling in the Munster championship, the parts of the team that kept us afloat were Quaid, our full back line who were magnificent all year, Tom Morrissey and Aaron Gillane.

I also thought that there is too much praise of the performance of KK. They were absolutely hammered in the second half. This is a relatively poor KK team and I don't see them getting much better in the next few years. I reckon KK are going to have some lean years ahead. They have 6 or 7 really good players and the rest are no better than average. They are also going to lose a lot of experienced heads after this defeat which has dented the KK aura in a big way."
I think Derek Lyng might have to plan without some of the older KK players, who are no longer operating at a high level. They need new faces, but the talent pool is not as deep as in the past.
Kilkenny will still compete as always, but won't dominate the championship. The other Leinster teams should be contenders for provincial honours.

thelongridge (Offaly) - Posts: 1830 - 25/07/2023 11:58:09    2496760

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Replying To thelongridge:  "I think Derek Lyng might have to plan without some of the older KK players, who are no longer operating at a high level. They need new faces, but the talent pool is not as deep as in the past.
Kilkenny will still compete as always, but won't dominate the championship. The other Leinster teams should be contenders for provincial honours."
Hope so. Certainly should be if prepared right.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13038 - 25/07/2023 14:59:15    2496826

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Replying To Goldenoldie:  "Something in the back of my head , looking at kiely etc yesterday , that there could be a shock coming re management for next year"
John Kiely is stepping down as Principal of the Abbey CBS in Tipperary and taking up the role of Vice Principal instead.

This is to take pressure off himself, and allow him the space to do the both Jobs even better (if that is even possible:).

LimerickandProud (Limerick) - Posts: 84 - 25/07/2023 15:16:54    2496831

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Replying To LimerickandProud:  "John Kiely is stepping down as Principal of the Abbey CBS in Tipperary and taking up the role of Vice Principal instead.

This is to take pressure off himself, and allow him the space to do the both Jobs even better (if that is even possible:)."
following the debate on the player of the year...I watched back the Sunday game start to finish again last night (didnt see it all Sunday night after watching the game live) What I will say is that Kyle Hayes was massive on Sunday, after Lynch went up CF Hayes was monumental and led from the back, his involvement and strenght and delivery we absolutely key to Limerick winning that All Ireland, along with Gillanes scoring prowess, Lynchs distribution, Barry Nash got little or no mention much and I thought he had a blinder not sure was he on Cody, but if he was Cody only got one score (a goal) I seen all Limericks games and Kyle Hayes was a common dominator, yes along with Gillane, in them winning them games. Normally the top sharpshooter gets it, look at it this way, if Kilkenny won on Sunday, and TJ Reid got 10 points plus (many from frees too let me add) there would be no debate about who was player of the year, not only that the debate that he is better than Henry Shefflin and DJ and Charlie Carter and dare we say Eddie Keher would be a live debate right now. Personally, I think Kyle Hayes deserves player of the year, he was moved up and down the pitch to different positions and still had excellent games. Cian Lynch only for injury going by his form on Sunday had he been back sooner would be definitely a contender too...I suppose Gillane only getting 2 points from play was it goinng by his standards just dampened down his claim to player of the year on Sunday...the sign of how good Limerick are they still scored 0-30 even if Gillane was quiet by his standards..from 42nd mintue to the 70th+ injury time. Limerick outscored Kilkenny by 0-19 to 0-15, in 30 odd minutes..that is some shooting...especially against Kilkenny..

Fairplayalways (Offaly) - Posts: 1037 - 25/07/2023 16:58:36    2496876

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A few words on this All Ireland win & Limerick hurling in general.

https://luimneachabu.blogspot.com/2023/07/love-and-passion.html

slayer (Limerick) - Posts: 6480 - 27/07/2023 12:22:08    2497264

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Belated congratulations to Limerick. Far more knowledgeable people than me have posted about their hurling prowess but on a personal level I was in Limerick many years ago and spent the night in the company of some shannonsiders. They were great to me and made me feel welcome. Must say that I have met a few over here over the years and cant say a bad word about any of them. Had a good friend who was mad keen Hurling man but did not live to see his counties triumphs. Also think of him when I watch Limerick.

Brummiejoe (UK) - Posts: 3 - 28/07/2023 13:49:13    2497449

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Replying To Fairplayalways:  "following the debate on the player of the year...I watched back the Sunday game start to finish again last night (didnt see it all Sunday night after watching the game live) What I will say is that Kyle Hayes was massive on Sunday, after Lynch went up CF Hayes was monumental and led from the back, his involvement and strenght and delivery we absolutely key to Limerick winning that All Ireland, along with Gillanes scoring prowess, Lynchs distribution, Barry Nash got little or no mention much and I thought he had a blinder not sure was he on Cody, but if he was Cody only got one score (a goal) I seen all Limericks games and Kyle Hayes was a common dominator, yes along with Gillane, in them winning them games. Normally the top sharpshooter gets it, look at it this way, if Kilkenny won on Sunday, and TJ Reid got 10 points plus (many from frees too let me add) there would be no debate about who was player of the year, not only that the debate that he is better than Henry Shefflin and DJ and Charlie Carter and dare we say Eddie Keher would be a live debate right now. Personally, I think Kyle Hayes deserves player of the year, he was moved up and down the pitch to different positions and still had excellent games. Cian Lynch only for injury going by his form on Sunday had he been back sooner would be definitely a contender too...I suppose Gillane only getting 2 points from play was it goinng by his standards just dampened down his claim to player of the year on Sunday...the sign of how good Limerick are they still scored 0-30 even if Gillane was quiet by his standards..from 42nd mintue to the 70th+ injury time. Limerick outscored Kilkenny by 0-19 to 0-15, in 30 odd minutes..that is some shooting...especially against Kilkenny.."
Very good points but one man that seems to be always forgotten about is Dan Morrissey,since he came on full back against tipp in the second half in the Munster final in 2021,he had had been excellent,I don't understand how he isn't getting mentioned for player of the year ,when hannon went off against cork this year and they took Dan out of full back,cork got on top,they had to move Dan back to sort it out.

cityman73 (Limerick) - Posts: 783 - 28/07/2023 20:08:41    2497513

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Replying To slayer:  "A few words on this All Ireland win & Limerick hurling in general.

https://luimneachabu.blogspot.com/2023/07/love-and-passion.html"
Great read. Well done.
You brought me back through a lot of memories there, lots of them bad but that's what makes these days so special.
Luimneach Abu.

skillet (Limerick) - Posts: 1100 - 28/07/2023 23:00:21    2497526

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Replying To cityman73:  "Very good points but one man that seems to be always forgotten about is Dan Morrissey,since he came on full back against tipp in the second half in the Munster final in 2021,he had had been excellent,I don't understand how he isn't getting mentioned for player of the year ,when hannon went off against cork this year and they took Dan out of full back,cork got on top,they had to move Dan back to sort it out."
Totally agree about Dan. When JJ was switched from no. 7 to no. 3 for KK, the media used to be all over it. Almost no commentary on it when Dan does it. Mind you, JJ was an all-time great. Dan is a present-time great!

foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 2050 - 29/07/2023 16:34:19    2497603

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The next fascination for me is the next generation of players bubbling beneath the starting XV in the panel. I'd expect that JK will be keeping a close eye on the club scene over the next few months and will be offering opportunity to a number of players both in the Munster League and the NHL next spring.

Cathal O'Neill is obviously the diamond in the stable. I'd expect that he will be named national Young Player of the Year in due course. Colm Coughlan is already an established squad member along with Adam English. I really like 2022 Munster U20 Player of the Year, Aidan O'Connor and I was intrigued/encouraged to see him named on the bench for the All Ireland final. I also note Shane O'Brien (The Bull per Darragh O'Donovan) who played very well as a raw kid in the early stages of the league. He lead the line against Galway in Salthill against an experienced Galway full back line and showed a lot of promise.

There are a number of others in the pack that I'd expect to be contenders and we'll need that talent pipeline to stay consistently competitive into the future. Is there anyone that I've not mentioned that should have their names added into my black book?

Dealer (Limerick) - Posts: 837 - 02/08/2023 12:35:54    2498581

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Replying To Dealer:  "The next fascination for me is the next generation of players bubbling beneath the starting XV in the panel. I'd expect that JK will be keeping a close eye on the club scene over the next few months and will be offering opportunity to a number of players both in the Munster League and the NHL next spring.

Cathal O'Neill is obviously the diamond in the stable. I'd expect that he will be named national Young Player of the Year in due course. Colm Coughlan is already an established squad member along with Adam English. I really like 2022 Munster U20 Player of the Year, Aidan O'Connor and I was intrigued/encouraged to see him named on the bench for the All Ireland final. I also note Shane O'Brien (The Bull per Darragh O'Donovan) who played very well as a raw kid in the early stages of the league. He lead the line against Galway in Salthill against an experienced Galway full back line and showed a lot of promise.

There are a number of others in the pack that I'd expect to be contenders and we'll need that talent pipeline to stay consistently competitive into the future. Is there anyone that I've not mentioned that should have their names added into my black book?"
Fergal O Connor and Paddy o Donovan are two ill be interested in too both from Effin. Donncha o Dalaigh will come on for an extra year S&C also.

daveboy (Limerick) - Posts: 1197 - 02/08/2023 13:33:30    2498604

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now the dust has settled on another all ireland final im going to give my tuppence worth on a few points. firstly eoin cody v aaron gillane for hurler of the year no contest cody 1 goal in final not enough , 2nd limerick had a more impressive route to final ie, clare , cork , waterford, ,tipp. and thats just in munster . galway semi final ,kilkenny had westmeath, antrim ,wexford and galway who lost in dramatic cicumstances. now clare were seriously unlucky in semi due to the greatest save ever seen. now lets back track to league final kilkenny also got 15 points that day limerick 2.20 thats a hammering albeit i know only league but the signs were there limerick were warming up... finally i was bemused by the bringing on of hogan by derek lyng surely there was young lads from last years u20 winning team who deserved a crack..just a thought . a joy to be in croke park for 4 in a row

hillman (Limerick) - Posts: 27 - 02/08/2023 21:21:37    2498756

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Premier Intermediate club started last week and continues along with first round of senior , Intermediate & Junior this weekend , any thoughts on winners . Giving myself 2 in each I'll go with
Senior Na Piarsaigh & Patrickswell
Premier Inter Bruff & Effin
Intermediate Knockainey & Murroe
Junior Feenagh & Doon B

OpenStand (Limerick) - Posts: 699 - 02/08/2023 23:00:03    2498764

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Replying To Dealer:  "The next fascination for me is the next generation of players bubbling beneath the starting XV in the panel. I'd expect that JK will be keeping a close eye on the club scene over the next few months and will be offering opportunity to a number of players both in the Munster League and the NHL next spring.

Cathal O'Neill is obviously the diamond in the stable. I'd expect that he will be named national Young Player of the Year in due course. Colm Coughlan is already an established squad member along with Adam English. I really like 2022 Munster U20 Player of the Year, Aidan O'Connor and I was intrigued/encouraged to see him named on the bench for the All Ireland final. I also note Shane O'Brien (The Bull per Darragh O'Donovan) who played very well as a raw kid in the early stages of the league. He lead the line against Galway in Salthill against an experienced Galway full back line and showed a lot of promise.

There are a number of others in the pack that I'd expect to be contenders and we'll need that talent pipeline to stay consistently competitive into the future. Is there anyone that I've not mentioned that should have their names added into my black book?"
Any sign of Paddy o loughlin getting back into the setup? Are his injuries behind him now?

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 2005 - 03/08/2023 00:11:10    2498769

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Replying To Dealer:  "The next fascination for me is the next generation of players bubbling beneath the starting XV in the panel. I'd expect that JK will be keeping a close eye on the club scene over the next few months and will be offering opportunity to a number of players both in the Munster League and the NHL next spring.

Cathal O'Neill is obviously the diamond in the stable. I'd expect that he will be named national Young Player of the Year in due course. Colm Coughlan is already an established squad member along with Adam English. I really like 2022 Munster U20 Player of the Year, Aidan O'Connor and I was intrigued/encouraged to see him named on the bench for the All Ireland final. I also note Shane O'Brien (The Bull per Darragh O'Donovan) who played very well as a raw kid in the early stages of the league. He lead the line against Galway in Salthill against an experienced Galway full back line and showed a lot of promise.

There are a number of others in the pack that I'd expect to be contenders and we'll need that talent pipeline to stay consistently competitive into the future. Is there anyone that I've not mentioned that should have their names added into my black book?"
Micheal Houlihan of Kilmallock?

bruffgael (Limerick) - Posts: 175 - 03/08/2023 10:08:43    2498795

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Replying To bruffgael:  "Micheal Houlihan of Kilmallock?"
Can't see it. Played very well in the league but couldn't crack the subs bench in the championship and he's already in his mid 20's.

Dealer (Limerick) - Posts: 837 - 03/08/2023 17:17:30    2498922

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Cian Lynch was key to all ireland win.
Remember john kiely after the Munster final ,he referenced cian and said these 4 weeks will bring him on and there won't be a hungrier or more determined player in croke park . How right he was .

Knockfiarna (Limerick) - Posts: 20 - 03/08/2023 22:07:39    2498949

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Replying To Dealer:  "Can't see it. Played very well in the league but couldn't crack the subs bench in the championship and he's already in his mid 20's."
He made the subs bench last year as far as I know. Perhaps, I'm wrong. So, overall 2023 might be seen as a slight regression on 2022 for him. However, you also have to factor in that forwards Lynch and Casey were back. Backs Finn and English were out, so overall probably more places on the bench were up for grabs for backs in 2023 as opposed to 2022 when they were more disposed to forwards. However, Aiden O'Connor made the bench for the final this year which suggests that he was going better at training.

foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 2050 - 04/08/2023 13:00:44    2499024

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Replying To Dealer:  "Can't see it. Played very well in the league but couldn't crack the subs bench in the championship and he's already in his mid 20's."
Reidy?

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13038 - 04/08/2023 14:16:47    2499037

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Replying To Viking66:  "Reidy?"
Reidy is a very unusual example. He went to Kildare and got back in after leaving the squad entirely. A lot depends on Michael's club form in championship but he's a very hard road. The way that the Limerick panel works at least to me is that the top 26 are nailed on and the remaining 10 are the development prospects. If you're in that bunch for a few years and you're still not cracking the championship squad, then your exposed to the new annual intake of fresh young talent who deserve the opportunity. If you get passed out - you won't last.

Interco senior is a tough game and that starts with panel development. JK won't want to retire and leave a massive player vacuum behind him if he can help it.

Dealer (Limerick) - Posts: 837 - 06/08/2023 23:03:03    2499319

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