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Replying To tiobraid:  "I think everyone agrees Lohan should have made a change on Gillane but I think Clare have now shown to everyone that pushing up on Limerick is the only way to beat them. Nash and Byrnes have huge influences on Limericks play so if you can pin them back youre better off I think. A sweeper or someone sitting may lead to other problems even if you have Gillane running riot inside. Clare could have won that game if they didnt miss so much so a drastic change like leaving Conlon or someone else on the D may not have been a great idea - even if that sounds mad considering Gillanes impact."
Clare need a consistent free taker too

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 2005 - 13/06/2023 13:16:20    2486181

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Replying To Bon:  "Clare need a consistent free taker too"
They do. I dont know If I missed something the last day and without watching it back - i was surprised Kelly too that free from the sideline. I thought it was a huge miss at the time.
I thought Reidy might hit the frees for Limerick when he was named to start. Gillane can score from every angle from play but hes not a 9/10 free taker either.

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 13/06/2023 14:01:22    2486206

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Replying To TerribleFootwork:  "I really don't think there is any agenda, Limerick's discipline was really poor at times against Waterford and this was discussed afterwards, this wasn't the case in any of the 4 subsequent games so hasn't been a talking point since. Cork u20s got the same coverage last week after a few poor incidents in the AI final."
So if the there were no discipline issues in the four subsequent games and there were no yellow cards at all in the Munster or all Ireland finals last year then would it be fair to conclude that Limerick in fact have an excellent disciplinary record and that the few incidents that have been highlighted have been blown totally out of all proportions?

Not bad at all for a team who has played more competitive championship hurling matches than any other team over the last five years.

Fitzy01 (Limerick) - Posts: 404 - 13/06/2023 14:07:03    2486210

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Replying To Fitzy01:  "So if the there were no discipline issues in the four subsequent games and there were no yellow cards at all in the Munster or all Ireland finals last year then would it be fair to conclude that Limerick in fact have an excellent disciplinary record and that the few incidents that have been highlighted have been blown totally out of all proportions?

Not bad at all for a team who has played more competitive championship hurling matches than any other team over the last five years."
I think the coverage all comes back to the 2020&21 championships where Limerick's discipline was really poor and ye should have got several red cards, hasn't been the case in the last 2 years except for that Waterford game.

TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 13/06/2023 14:31:02    2486220

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Some of these commentators just seem to have agendas of their own. How come there was no criticism of the KK player for dangerous tackle on a Galway player in the Round Robin game v KK and the carry on of different KK and CK players in the League Semi."
I agree. Again on Sunday there was an attempt to make an issue about a free not called at the end. The extra time was up. The game was over prior to the foul. How do they know the ref was not going to blowing it up as that play developed. Great game between two great teams and unfortunately one had to be the loser.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2796 - 13/06/2023 14:43:21    2486222

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Replying To TerribleFootwork:  "I think the coverage all comes back to the 2020&21 championships where Limerick's discipline was really poor and ye should have got several red cards, hasn't been the case in the last 2 years except for that Waterford game."
I ain't arguing with you here, but the amount of times we hear people outside Limerick use the word 'should' is about the same as we used to say it before John Kiely took over.

Should have won this
Should have been sent off
Should have picked this or that team

- We had Gillane sent off v Cork in PUC 2018 & we drew
- We had Casey sent off v Waterford in 2021 and we won
- We had Hegarty sent off v Clare in 2022 and we drew
- We had Hegarty sent off v Waterford in 2023 & we won
- We had Nash sent off v Tipp in 2023 & we drew

Kiely has got rid of all of the conditionals out of Limerick hurling (could, should, would) and deals in facts. 12 finals, 12 wins. There are reasons for that and they don't involve the word 'should'.

slayer (Limerick) - Posts: 6480 - 13/06/2023 14:54:39    2486227

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Replying To slayer:  "I ain't arguing with you here, but the amount of times we hear people outside Limerick use the word 'should' is about the same as we used to say it before John Kiely took over.

Should have won this
Should have been sent off
Should have picked this or that team

- We had Gillane sent off v Cork in PUC 2018 & we drew
- We had Casey sent off v Waterford in 2021 and we won
- We had Hegarty sent off v Clare in 2022 and we drew
- We had Hegarty sent off v Waterford in 2023 & we won
- We had Nash sent off v Tipp in 2023 & we drew

Kiely has got rid of all of the conditionals out of Limerick hurling (could, should, would) and deals in facts. 12 finals, 12 wins. There are reasons for that and they don't involve the word 'should'."
People making Hegarty out to be the tramp in the media the whole time. The man is no angel but he takes some abuse and evident that the refs read the media reports because he got a yellow the last day for absaloutely nothing and never reacted to a number of situations

ball1 (Roscommon) - Posts: 29 - 13/06/2023 15:28:00    2486237

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Replying To TerribleFootwork:  "I think the coverage all comes back to the 2020&21 championships where Limerick's discipline was really poor and ye should have got several red cards, hasn't been the case in the last 2 years except for that Waterford game."
Yerra, Limerick have been at the top for the past six years and can you name us one player that had to go off injured as a result of an injury inflicted by a Limerick opponent- don't bother mentioning the Joe Canning case as it was Canning's own who with a wild and reckless 'challenge' put his team mate in the Casualty Department

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4418 - 13/06/2023 17:18:30    2486283

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Yerra, Limerick have been at the top for the past six years and can you name us one player that had to go off injured as a result of an injury inflicted by a Limerick opponent- don't bother mentioning the Joe Canning case as it was Canning's own who with a wild and reckless 'challenge' put his team mate in the Casualty Department"
That's really silly logic, for example just checked there Barrett didn't go off in 2021 Munster Final but the swing back from Gillane was the most blatant red card you're likely to see.

TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 13/06/2023 17:44:05    2486292

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Replying To slayer:  "I ain't arguing with you here, but the amount of times we hear people outside Limerick use the word 'should' is about the same as we used to say it before John Kiely took over.

Should have won this
Should have been sent off
Should have picked this or that team

- We had Gillane sent off v Cork in PUC 2018 & we drew
- We had Casey sent off v Waterford in 2021 and we won
- We had Hegarty sent off v Clare in 2022 and we drew
- We had Hegarty sent off v Waterford in 2023 & we won
- We had Nash sent off v Tipp in 2023 & we drew

Kiely has got rid of all of the conditionals out of Limerick hurling (could, should, would) and deals in facts. 12 finals, 12 wins. There are reasons for that and they don't involve the word 'should'."
You've gone a bit off topic but yes Limerick's record in finals since 2018 is sensational, also have the quality to adapt so if your well on top you ye can really drive it home and if its an arm wrestle ye can grind it out.

TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 13/06/2023 17:46:33    2486294

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Yerra, Limerick have been at the top for the past six years and can you name us one player that had to go off injured as a result of an injury inflicted by a Limerick opponent- don't bother mentioning the Joe Canning case as it was Canning's own who with a wild and reckless 'challenge' put his team mate in the Casualty Department"
Kevin Moran also injured Joe with a fair hit and was genuinely distraught over it. Hegarty absolutely did nothing that deserved a yellow card on Sunday. In fact he was the one who was aggrieved. Flanagan against us went in to win a ball and was side ways to Bennett and did not even see him. Maybe a bit reckless. A free at most. The red card would never have qualified for it on its own. A ball travelling towards the side line with two players making sure they got to it. Marginally late contact but this is where we get cruciate injuries when pulling up sharp. When we are all good enough we will beat Limerick and stop using a crutch when not.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2796 - 13/06/2023 17:52:43    2486295

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Yerra, Limerick have been at the top for the past six years and can you name us one player that had to go off injured as a result of an injury inflicted by a Limerick opponent- don't bother mentioning the Joe Canning case as it was Canning's own who with a wild and reckless 'challenge' put his team mate in the Casualty Department"
It's a lazy narrative that's been latched onto..As if our success was based on nothing but brutality on the pitch.

I've seen hits as bad as anything doled out on Limerick players and they just get on with it.

It's obvious after Sunday that the likes of Hegarty can't buy a free. So be it. It's the price of success.

I remember a recently retired Clare hurler being interviewed on a podcast last year who in essence said that the only reason we're successful is because we throw the ball and foul constantly..

It was so petty, untrue and bitter that it was as funny as it was annoying.
The interviewer in said podcast nodding away gormlessly in agreement because he didn't seem to be able to suggest any alternative.

I suppose it's kind of flattering in the end. We're at a place Limerick hurling supporters wouldn't have dreamt of a few years ago. Long may it continue.

skillet (Limerick) - Posts: 1100 - 13/06/2023 18:00:18    2486299

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My own pet theory is that the ref messed up that last play on his own. I think he decided to give Clare a last play even though time was up BUT he wasn't going to give them a free. They had to get the score from play. I suspect that he made two bad decisions. The first was to not blow up on the puck out and the second was to not give the free. He compromised and put himself in a bad situation.

It's just a theory and I may be totally wrong but it explains what he did to me at least.

Dealer (Limerick) - Posts: 837 - 13/06/2023 18:58:05    2486306

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Replying To Dealer:  "My own pet theory is that the ref messed up that last play on his own. I think he decided to give Clare a last play even though time was up BUT he wasn't going to give them a free. They had to get the score from play. I suspect that he made two bad decisions. The first was to not blow up on the puck out and the second was to not give the free. He compromised and put himself in a bad situation.

It's just a theory and I may be totally wrong but it explains what he did to me at least."
I think you're bang on. He wanted to blow it on the puckout but the pitch invasion happened. Quilligan was unaware it was a wide and signalled by the umpire hence the reason the ref wanted him to puck it out and not play on. After that he probably felt it was stupid to then blow it and left the last puckout. When byrnes caught that ball that was when he should have blown the whistle but he delayed which to me was his major error. He wasn't giving a free clearly as in his head the match was over. Like dealer its just a feeling i have after being at the match and watching it back.


On a second note I know a lot of pundits have said clare had the winnings of the match in the last few mins because of taylors wide, Fitzgeralds wide and TKs ball dropping short but people forget that Limercick had bad wides in last few minutes also from Cathal o neill, hegarty, Adam English x 2 and WoD at the very end. Clare got a very fortuitous goal also in the match. I'm just not convinced that clare threw it away. Limerick had a 5 point lead in the 2nd half and butchered a few good chances at that time.

daveboy (Limerick) - Posts: 1197 - 14/06/2023 11:03:41    2486382

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Replying To Dealer:  "My own pet theory is that the ref messed up that last play on his own. I think he decided to give Clare a last play even though time was up BUT he wasn't going to give them a free. They had to get the score from play. I suspect that he made two bad decisions. The first was to not blow up on the puck out and the second was to not give the free. He compromised and put himself in a bad situation.

It's just a theory and I may be totally wrong but it explains what he did to me at least."
I feel he wanted to blow up from the puckout and would have done so if there was no pitch invasion. After it taking a min to clear the pitch I think he prob thought it would have looked foolish then to blow it up.

He missed two very clear frees, The WOD one was as obvious as the other BUT I think there would rightly have been controversy if there was a draw as time was up before any pitch invasion. Tough on Clare but to be fair to them theyre not making a deal of it and acknowledging they missed enough chances to not be in the postition.

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 14/06/2023 11:16:53    2486386

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Replying To daveboy:  "I think you're bang on. He wanted to blow it on the puckout but the pitch invasion happened. Quilligan was unaware it was a wide and signalled by the umpire hence the reason the ref wanted him to puck it out and not play on. After that he probably felt it was stupid to then blow it and left the last puckout. When byrnes caught that ball that was when he should have blown the whistle but he delayed which to me was his major error. He wasn't giving a free clearly as in his head the match was over. Like dealer its just a feeling i have after being at the match and watching it back.


On a second note I know a lot of pundits have said clare had the winnings of the match in the last few mins because of taylors wide, Fitzgeralds wide and TKs ball dropping short but people forget that Limercick had bad wides in last few minutes also from Cathal o neill, hegarty, Adam English x 2 and WoD at the very end. Clare got a very fortuitous goal also in the match. I'm just not convinced that clare threw it away. Limerick had a 5 point lead in the 2nd half and butchered a few good chances at that time."
I think we can all analyse wides and missed chances throughout the game but the thing is if they go over for Clare that doesnt necessarily mean Limerick finish with the same total. Just like the Cork game and the Gillane penalty incident. That isnt given, then theres no guarantee Cork win by 2 points. I think a lot of people dont really get that. The dynamic of a game can change and Limerick are experts at eeking out wins. We see how they have come back to win games where they havent played well in the first half often enough now to know they can react to anything.

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 14/06/2023 11:21:48    2486389

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Bit of a mad question but if a replay was on the line and not extra time would the ref have given the free like we saw years ago where the ref would give a handy free to get the replay

Wexfordgaa (Wexford) - Posts: 292 - 14/06/2023 11:28:15    2486396

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Replying To daveboy:  "I think you're bang on. He wanted to blow it on the puckout but the pitch invasion happened. Quilligan was unaware it was a wide and signalled by the umpire hence the reason the ref wanted him to puck it out and not play on. After that he probably felt it was stupid to then blow it and left the last puckout. When byrnes caught that ball that was when he should have blown the whistle but he delayed which to me was his major error. He wasn't giving a free clearly as in his head the match was over. Like dealer its just a feeling i have after being at the match and watching it back.


On a second note I know a lot of pundits have said clare had the winnings of the match in the last few mins because of taylors wide, Fitzgeralds wide and TKs ball dropping short but people forget that Limercick had bad wides in last few minutes also from Cathal o neill, hegarty, Adam English x 2 and WoD at the very end. Clare got a very fortuitous goal also in the match. I'm just not convinced that clare threw it away. Limerick had a 5 point lead in the 2nd half and butchered a few good chances at that time."
Agree109% Limerick missed great chances as well its just when the underdog lose people try to give reasons rather than just aknolge best team always wins 4 a reason.

Tiger1 (Wexford) - Posts: 279 - 14/06/2023 11:55:34    2486403

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Replying To daveboy:  "I think you're bang on. He wanted to blow it on the puckout but the pitch invasion happened. Quilligan was unaware it was a wide and signalled by the umpire hence the reason the ref wanted him to puck it out and not play on. After that he probably felt it was stupid to then blow it and left the last puckout. When byrnes caught that ball that was when he should have blown the whistle but he delayed which to me was his major error. He wasn't giving a free clearly as in his head the match was over. Like dealer its just a feeling i have after being at the match and watching it back.


On a second note I know a lot of pundits have said clare had the winnings of the match in the last few mins because of taylors wide, Fitzgeralds wide and TKs ball dropping short but people forget that Limercick had bad wides in last few minutes also from Cathal o neill, hegarty, Adam English x 2 and WoD at the very end. Clare got a very fortuitous goal also in the match. I'm just not convinced that clare threw it away. Limerick had a 5 point lead in the 2nd half and butchered a few good chances at that time."
To your second paragraph, spot on. Clare had us on the rack after their first goal. Clare fans roaring them on ferociously and they had a second goal chance, saved by NQ. We were on the ropes no doubt. But in the third quarter we won by 1-8 to 0-3. What is fantastic about this Limerick team is that there is always one huge quarter in them if they up it. The ferocity in the tackle, the ball played to Gillane, the shooting from our players. Everything went North in the Limerick-ometer during that 17-18 minutes.

After going 1-19 to 1-14 up Limerick hung on. No shame there. Up against one of the best teams in the championship and huge energy burned up in Q3. No, Clare didn't throw this away, Limerick won it.

slayer (Limerick) - Posts: 6480 - 14/06/2023 12:42:09    2486418

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Replying To tiobraid:  "I think we can all analyse wides and missed chances throughout the game but the thing is if they go over for Clare that doesnt necessarily mean Limerick finish with the same total. Just like the Cork game and the Gillane penalty incident. That isnt given, then theres no guarantee Cork win by 2 points. I think a lot of people dont really get that. The dynamic of a game can change and Limerick are experts at eeking out wins. We see how they have come back to win games where they havent played well in the first half often enough now to know they can react to anything."
Great point, one great example of this was how Limerick shaped up when they had the two point lead but as soon as it was pushed back to one you could see Kiely frantically trying to get them to push up the field again to attack again and not to sit. They will adjust and adapt to give themselves every opportunity to win

Fitzy01 (Limerick) - Posts: 404 - 14/06/2023 13:25:48    2486426

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