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All Ireland Club Final, Kilmacud V Glen (Derry)

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word from GAA inner sanctum sources i heard was lunchtime emergency meeting, sounds like talk strongly of a replay in Breffni park saturday week. i think its probably the only way out of it. glen of course may leave it be and not fulfill the fixture. dickie10 (UK) - Posts: 868 - 23/01/2023 14:33:17 2453675 Link
Replying To BarneyGrant: " Replying To hyperache: "[quote=BarneyGrant: "I meant to say, obviously, with regard to the CR replay, that unlike that match, you could not say that the result would likely to have been different yesterday." Of course you can, it's not as if Kilmacud were 12 points up and out of sight when it happened, it was a one score game. The team chasing the game winning score were denied a fair chance to get it as the opposing team had 17 players on the pitch. Were they going to get the goal at the end to win it? I mean probably not, but it's sport - anything can happen and a lot stranger things have happened. But they were not given a fair opportunity to run the last play. The game has to be replayed at the very least" In the Meath/Antrim final, Meath did not win! the ref got the score wrong. Now, if you can't see the difference, I'm not sure what to say. There maybe ought to be a replay, but it is light years removed from what happened in the CR final. Did Meath offer a replay by the way? I don not recall that they did. Quite the opposite in fact. So, let's not pretend anyone is riding a white horse here."]I'm not making the comparison between the Meath/Antrim game because as you said, it was obviously a different set of circumstances. The only similarity I am making is that it was it was a officiating error. It doesn't matter who offered or who didn't offer replays, it shouldn't be up to the teams, the GAA should step in and make the decision anytime there's an issue like this. I'm not sure why you're so set on defending what went on at the weekend? Like I and many others have said, there were 17 Kilmacud players on the field of play for, 16 of which were actively involved in the play - these clear violation of rule 6.44, and it denied Glen the opportunity to fairly try and win the game. If Glen lodge an appeal, they will almost certainly win the appeal. hyperache (Meath) - Posts: 273 - 23/01/2023 14:44:07 2453679 Link
RTE staying very quiet on this, except to say Glen won't be appealing. Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2400 - 23/01/2023 15:11:33 2453687 Link
Replying To Ulsterman: "Most people don't want to see games decided in committee rooms but either we have rules or we don't. If Kilmacud had 16 players on while a phase of play was going on, no matter how short, then they DID have an unfair numerical advantage. It's pretty black and white." Serious question. If it happened the other way around would you be as outraged? oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1651 - 23/01/2023 15:35:14 2453697 Link
Replying To BigJoe14: "Eh there was a 16th man on the goalline for the last attack. It should be replayed. Its the officials fault but the Meath hurlers had to replay the Christy Ring Cup final in 2016 after the referee made an error. Can't just say ah sure look no point looking at it again. The whole Kilmacud thing stinks anyway. Shane Walsh hardly there a wet week and parading around saying these are days you dream of? He's only there since September. What sums it up is today three Kilmacud Crokes club men were down in Westmeath playing for the Dublin hurlers while their club were playing in an All Ireland Final. That just doesn't happen in normal clubs. Ballyhale Shamrocks are a normal GAA Club. Kilmacud Crokes have more resources than 70/80% of intercounty teams and are most certainly not a normal club." Its this type of deep commitment to sportsmanship that gives us hope that Louth Vs Meath 2010 Leinster final will one day be replayed and justice will prevail. Stay Strong Fairness Fighters. TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4528 - 23/01/2023 15:38:37 2453700 Link
Replying To Hawkeye2: "Crokes should take the initiative & get out in front of this, contact both Glen & GAA and offer a replay. It's a nonsense that the rules are a skewed in a way that puts the onus on the impacted party , in this case Glen, to have to make an objection to get this looked at. The GAA should be enforcing their own rules." totally agree with this, Crokes should offer a replay and if Glen refuse both parties come out well in this. The fact the GAA our hiding and hoping Glen do and say nothing is shocking. This does taint what was a great game yesterday. Yourjoking (USA) - Posts: 745 - 23/01/2023 15:43:00 2453703 Link
Some poisonous, hateful stuff being thrown about on social media about Glen and "Ulster/Northern" teams over this. It's nothing to do with geography, it's about rules, regulations and procedures but that hasn't stopped the bile and hatred pouring out about "Nordies". It's vile and shameful. 32 county Association my **!! Ulsterman (Antrim)** - Posts: 9837 - 23/01/2023 15:44:00 2453705 Link
Replying To Saynothing: "RTE staying very quiet on this, except to say Glen won't be appealing." Glen shouldn't have to appeal. The powers that be are making a laughing stock out of the GAA by not having this sorted already. A team in the premier national club football competition final, live on national TV, had more players on the pitch than they should have had. Its a 15 a side game. What exactly is there to talk about that's taken nearly 24 hours already? Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16776 - 23/01/2023 15:47:11 2453706 Link
Replying To Viking66: "Glen shouldn't have to appeal. The powers that be are making a laughing stock out of the GAA by not having this sorted already. A team in the premier national club football competition final, live on national TV, had more players on the pitch than they should have had. Its a 15 a side game. What exactly is there to talk about that's taken nearly 24 hours already?" 100%. Croke Park should take it away from both teams. Kilmacud obviously didn't do this deliberately but rules are in place for a reason. If the teams were reversed and Glen had 16 on I would say exactly the same. Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9837 - 23/01/2023 15:57:17 2453709 Link
Replying To Yourjoking: "totally agree with this, Crokes should offer a replay and if Glen refuse both parties come out well in this. The fact the GAA our hiding and hoping Glen do and say nothing is shocking. This does taint what was a great game yesterday." Are you saying if Glen accept replay they don't come out well? Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2400 - 23/01/2023 15:58:58 2453710 Link
Replying To TheUsername: "Its this type of deep commitment to sportsmanship that gives us hope that Louth Vs Meath 2010 Leinster final will one day be replayed and justice will prevail. Stay Strong Fairness Fighters." That was different though very wrong also. There is a specific rule in this situation. The rule on this states that there should be a fine, forfeit or replay. The decision on this is nothing to do with either club. And shouldn't have taken nearly 24 hours. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16776 - 23/01/2023 16:02:50 2453711 Link
Replying To Viking66: "Glen shouldn't have to appeal. The powers that be are making a laughing stock out of the GAA by not having this sorted already. A team in the premier national club football competition final, live on national TV, had more players on the pitch than they should have had. Its a 15 a side game. What exactly is there to talk about that's taken nearly 24 hours already?" The GAA are leaving it to Glen to object, they always leave it to the losers to do their job for them....nothing coming out of McCarthy today or any of his henchmen in croke park, typical. Should not be up to either club involved to enforce the rules. Happened in Donegal county final in the 90s when a club played a player who was not eligible because he was playing in America at the same time, dogs in the street knew it, but county board sat on their hands and left it to beaten team to object......other club beaten in semi final didn't object because of a link with Cavan ulster championship winning team who had illegal player......it's all typical of top brass in GAA, come convention turkeys will still vote Christmas!! totalrecall (Leitrim) - Posts: 1152 - 23/01/2023 16:16:29 2453718 Link
Replying To Yourjoking: "totally agree with this, Crokes should offer a replay and if Glen refuse both parties come out well in this. The fact the GAA our hiding and hoping Glen do and say nothing is shocking. This does taint what was a great game yesterday." Why should Glen refuse a replay? Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16776 - 23/01/2023 16:16:59 2453719 Link
Replying To Saynothing: "RTE staying very quiet on this, except to say Glen won't be appealing." According to 1 or 2 players, the Glen will be appealing . They are going back training Tuesday night anyway so that in itself speaks volume. Past hurler (None) - Posts: 975 - 23/01/2023 16:31:00 2453729 Link
The game was gone beyond the 3mins when the 45 was taken so the referee could have said score direct but there would also have been uproar if that happened because some would claim that the subs were used to waste time. The ref had his arm up in the air, which at times is also used to tell the free taker to hold on - who knows, its hard to know if he blew the whistle to signal to take it. Everyone is clamouring for the ref to speed up the game so they get a chance to score - the ref did that and one of the unfortunate results was he missed the other player not going off. Did the player who was on the field interfere with the play? - the tactic was not to drive the ball long into the square anyway. So someone show that it had a impact on the result. zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 2036 - 23/01/2023 16:31:26 2453730 Link
Replying To Viking66: "Why should Glen refuse a replay?" Is it true that Dunboyne got a game awarded to them over Navan O Mahonys in the Meath football championship when the current Kilmacud manager was with Dunboyne because Navan had 16 men on the field? SixtiesKid (Galway) - Posts: 360 - 23/01/2023 16:38:21 2453733 Link
It's no wonder people view the GAA as a bit of a joke organisation with nonsense like this. The game should be replayed, fair and square. Square_B (Leitrim) - Posts: 1464 - 23/01/2023 16:43:16 2453736 Link
Replying To zinny: "The game was gone beyond the 3mins when the 45 was taken so the referee could have said score direct but there would also have been uproar if that happened because some would claim that the subs were used to waste time. The ref had his arm up in the air, which at times is also used to tell the free taker to hold on - who knows, its hard to know if he blew the whistle to signal to take it. Everyone is clamouring for the ref to speed up the game so they get a chance to score - the ref did that and one of the unfortunate results was he missed the other player not going off. Did the player who was on the field interfere with the play? - the tactic was not to drive the ball long into the square anyway. So someone show that it had a impact on the result." Granted the 17th Crokes man on the pitch wasn't interfering with play. But the 16th? An extra man in the small or large rectangle wasn't interfering with a goal attempt? Are you for real Zinny?! In any case it's irrelevant. The rules state teams have no more than 15 players playing on the pitch. Punishment is a fine, a replay or a forfeit of the game. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16776 - 23/01/2023 16:43:41 2453738 Link
Replying To Viking66: "Why should Glen refuse a replay?" I said if they refuse, as will look like they have accepted result. Personally i think it should be replayed. Yourjoking (USA) - Posts: 745 - 23/01/2023 17:00:14 2453742 Link
Replying To zinny: "The game was gone beyond the 3mins when the 45 was taken so the referee could have said score direct but there would also have been uproar if that happened because some would claim that the subs were used to waste time. The ref had his arm up in the air, which at times is also used to tell the free taker to hold on - who knows, its hard to know if he blew the whistle to signal to take it. Everyone is clamouring for the ref to speed up the game so they get a chance to score - the ref did that and one of the unfortunate results was he missed the other player not going off. Did the player who was on the field interfere with the play? - the tactic was not to drive the ball long into the square anyway. So someone show that it had a impact on the result." It's irrelevant if it interferred with the game or not. I get why people are going to make that argument but it does not matter. Rule was broken. No one thinks it was intentional just human error but that doesn't matter either. I'd love to pretend I wouldn't appeal but unless I was from Corofin and had several All Ireland medals in the cabinet already I'd vote to appeal. I'd back Kilmacud to win the replay galwayfball (Galway) - Posts: 1704 - 23/01/2023 17:07:33 2453747 Link