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All Ireland Club Final, Kilmacud V Glen (Derry)

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Cast your minds back to that infamous LSF championship final of 2010, the powers that be put the onous on Meath to offer a replay to Louth, that in itself was to say the least very, very unfair to Meath and not very sporting or fair to Louth, we were promised the sun, moon, and stars that a situation like this would never ever happen again, a disputed score denied Louth Of victory at the final whistle by the narrow'st of margins. The same playing / substitution rules that applied to the Meath V Louth game applied to the Kilmacud v Glen game. The beaten team had a choice, accept defeat or lodge an objection through the appropiate channels. To me nothing has changed since 2010. In fairness to all and sundry there was no replay of the 2010 Leinster senior football final for what ever reason, therefore there should be no replay of the 2022 All Ireland senior club football final for the very same reason. The substituted player should exit the pitch to be checked off at the same point and time as his replacement is making his entry, simple. supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2907 - 03/02/2023 10:39:14 2456114 Link
Replying To Jack L: "Are you serious, he was never going to walk away when he was defending an attack." Ridiculous statement, going by your logic a management team could make all remaining substitutions, this could be up to five subs and the players who they replaced would not be expected to leave the pitch while "defending an attack". Absolute nonsense. Honestly the more people post here the more I realise that Kilmacud were lucky that they weren't stripped of the title with the game awarded to Glen. MillerX (Meath) - Posts: 1062 - 03/02/2023 11:06:04 2456120 Link
If Glen had scored a goal in that last play with the 16 men of crokes on the field would there being a replay. Ordered ??? I would assume that there would have be as the rules were still broken ,,, Kickitout (Galway) - Posts: 840 - 03/02/2023 11:18:19 2456123 Link
Replying To Kickitout: "If Glen had scored a goal in that last play with the 16 men of crokes on the field would there being a replay. Ordered ??? I would assume that there would have be as the rules were still broken ,,," No. That is ridiculous statement. Thats like saying in rugby that when a team scores a try when they are playing with an advantage ruling that they have to go back for the penalty. anotheralias (Galway) - Posts: 840 - 03/02/2023 11:32:41 2456126 Link
Replying To Jack L: "The CCCC investigates disciplinary matters. They have the power to review all the incidents of this nature which occurs. They incorporate the referee in these matters The 16th man was a technical issue (there is no clear rule around substitutions - therefore technically no rule broken) which I believe is outside the remit of the CCCC. The only way the CCCC can investigate these issues is upon an objection." There is a clear rule as to how many players a football team are allowed to field at one time. Its 15. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11827 - 03/02/2023 12:00:03 2456132 Link
Replying To supersub15: "Cast your minds back to that infamous LSF championship final of 2010, the powers that be put the onous on Meath to offer a replay to Louth, that in itself was to say the least very, very unfair to Meath and not very sporting or fair to Louth, we were promised the sun, moon, and stars that a situation like this would never ever happen again, a disputed score denied Louth Of victory at the final whistle by the narrow'st of margins. The same playing / substitution rules that applied to the Meath V Louth game applied to the Kilmacud v Glen game. The beaten team had a choice, accept defeat or lodge an objection through the appropiate channels. To me nothing has changed since 2010. In fairness to all and sundry there was no replay of the 2010 Leinster senior football final for what ever reason, therefore there should be no replay of the 2022 All Ireland senior club football final for the very same reason. The substituted player should exit the pitch to be checked off at the same point and time as his replacement is making his entry, simple." Meath didn't field 16 players for a 15 a side football game. It was a completely different situation. And BTW now just as at the time I still believe that the game should've been replayed. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11827 - 03/02/2023 12:08:30 2456135 Link
Replying To Viking66: "There is a clear rule as to how many players a football team are allowed to field at one time. Its 15." Aah during a substitution there is 16 men on the field for a period of time. That is what I am saying there is no clear rule ie player cannot enter playing arena until substituted player exits arena. During a substitution play is meant to stop. The reason team managers make tactical substitutions during injury time ( 2 or 3) is to delay time. Play stops during substitutions. Time is added on at the discretion of the referee. Jack L (None) - Posts: 3099 - 03/02/2023 12:30:55 2456144 Link
Regarding the quick free/45 being taken while the KC substituted player was still on the field, was the refs hand not up waiting for the substitution? If so, and if he had not blown the whistle for play to be restarted, the free was taken illegally. The quick free is fair enough, and needed to take, but only when there is no break in play - a substitution was happening so there was a break in play. Seems to be what has happened from a Glen pov is that they asked to retake the free/45, and the ref probably said - Sure ye took it before ye were supposed to, and missed, I'm not giving ye another one. systematic (Galway) - Posts: 69 - 03/02/2023 12:39:54 2456147 Link
Replying To Jack L: "Aah during a substitution there is 16 men on the field for a period of time. That is what I am saying there is no clear rule ie player cannot enter playing arena until substituted player exits arena. During a substitution play is meant to stop. The reason team managers make tactical substitutions during injury time ( 2 or 3) is to delay time. Play stops during substitutions. Time is added on at the discretion of the referee." It is a delay tactic to kill time. The other player always jogs or walks off the pitch but clearly heads to go out across the white line. In this instance that didn't happen and there was clearly bad sportsmanship involved and a clear case of cheat to hold onto the lead to win the competition. border Gael (Monaghan) - Posts: 894 - 03/02/2023 14:04:17 2456166 Link
Replying To Ban: "19 didn't get the chance to tell 14! As a previous poster outlined, this is going around in circles but I do however feel that you need someone to tell you that you are right.. So let me have the pleasure - you are right!" If 9 didn't get the chance to tell 14 then 19 shot have took !o part in the game. Instead he comes running out trying to block the kicker.90% of the people on here are right. Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2012 - 03/02/2023 14:46:50 2456174 Link
Replying To anotheralias: "No. That is ridiculous statement. Thats like saying in rugby that when a team scores a try when they are playing with an advantage ruling that they have to go back for the penalty." So it's not a rule so it only apply if the team with 15 on field don't score otherwise its ok by that logic , it's in my opinion it's either right or wrong Kickitout (Galway) - Posts: 840 - 03/02/2023 15:22:18 2456180 Link
Replying To Kickitout: "So it's not a rule so it only apply if the team with 15 on field don't score otherwise its ok by that logic , it's in my opinion it's either right or wrong" No, you wouldn't penalise the team who didn't commit the error. If two teams played, and a team who had an extra man on the pitch for a period of time lost the game, they wouldn't have grounds to ask for it to be replayed. That would by very silly. In the same way if a goalie comes off his line early, but a penalty taker scores, he's not made to retake it. WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2039 - 03/02/2023 16:09:20 2456195 Link
Replying To Kickitout: "If Glen had scored a goal in that last play with the 16 men of crokes on the field would there being a replay. Ordered ??? I would assume that there would have be as the rules were still broken ,,," That situation is different, if Glen had scored a goal then obviously Kilmacud having an extra player didn't impact the game. PattyONeill (Derry) - Posts: 222 - 03/02/2023 16:20:57 2456198 Link
Replying To anotheralias: "I actually do hope that Croke Park are reading this forum. They might get a sense of what genuine supporters feel. Apart from Dublin and Derry posters who are , as you would expect partisan, if there was an analysis of posts from neutral posters the vast vast majority are in favour of a replay. I think that says it all. The talk of a fine and move on is just ridiculous. As is the talk of giving cups to anyone. This one will be won on the field and if Crokes are good enough (which I think they are ) they will win it ." When it comes down to an issue involving Dublin GAA, do you really believe there are unbiased neutral posters, if it was Glen that had the extra man and they won the game the "neutral" posters that are calling for a replay now would be saying no replay. sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 676 - 03/02/2023 16:34:15 2456200 Link
Replying To Jack L: "Aah during a substitution there is 16 men on the field for a period of time. That is what I am saying there is no clear rule ie player cannot enter playing arena until substituted player exits arena. During a substitution play is meant to stop. The reason team managers make tactical substitutions during injury time ( 2 or 3) is to delay time. Play stops during substitutions. Time is added on at the discretion of the referee." It's still the responsibility of the teams to ensure they have no more than 15 players on the pitch. No referee is going to do a headcount after every break in play for substitutions. He is going to assume after the players stop moving that the teams have the correct number of players on the pitch. It's like playing an ineligible player. It's up to the team to ensure all the players they select are eligible. Not the referee. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11827 - 03/02/2023 17:22:26 2456210 Link
Replying To Viking66: " Replying To supersub15: "Cast your minds back to that infamous LSF championship final of 2010, the powers that be put the onous on Meath to offer a replay to Louth, that in itself was to say the least very, very unfair to Meath and not very sporting or fair to Louth, we were promised the sun, moon, and stars that a situation like this would never ever happen again, a disputed score denied Louth Of victory at the final whistle by the narrow'st of margins. The same playing / substitution rules that applied to the Meath V Louth game applied to the Kilmacud v Glen game. The beaten team had a choice, accept defeat or lodge an objection through the appropiate channels. To me nothing has changed since 2010. In fairness to all and sundry there was no replay of the 2010 Leinster senior football final for what ever reason, therefore there should be no replay of the 2022 All Ireland senior club football final for the very same reason. The substituted player should exit the pitch to be checked off at the same point and time as his replacement is making his entry, simple." Meath didn't field 16 players for a 15 a side football game. It was a completely different situation. And BTW now just as at the time I still believe that the game should've been replayed." Viking66 sorry for the lack of clarity in my post, my point being the fall out from the 2010 LSF final is similar to that of the 2022 all Ireland senior club football final, admittedly sub's or substitutions had nothing to do with the 2010 result, however the final result albeit in both games is to say the lest "contentious" and that is saying it lightly. My bottom line is, the handling of the All Ireland Club Final, Kilmacud V Glen (Derry) is no different to the handling of the 2010 LSF final, ie passing the buck. Both teams deserved better imo. PS According to Tom Ryan today he is happy there was no intervention by CP, in other words if a similar situation happens in 5 or 10 years time the end result will be more of the same. supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2907 - 03/02/2023 18:22:47 2456219 Link
Replying To Saynothing: "If 9 didn't get the chance to tell 14 then 19 shot have took !o part in the game. Instead he comes running out trying to block the kicker.90% of the people on here are right." All is fair in love and war. Cuhullain (Kildare) - Posts: 271 - 03/02/2023 18:32:54 2456221 Link
A very noble gesture from Glen who have behaved like true sportsmen.Hopefully their turn will come jobber (Westmeath) - Posts: 1456 - 03/02/2023 20:06:45 2456234 Link
Saga over. Glen apparently have withdrawn their appeal for a replay. Common sence has prevailed. Rediculus that a replay was ordered in the first place. Matches and titles should be won on the pitch and not in boardroom Jack L (None) - Posts: 3099 - 03/02/2023 20:10:31 2456235 Link
Replying To Kickitout: "If Glen had scored a goal in that last play with the 16 men of crokes on the field would there being a replay. Ordered ??? I would assume that there would have be as the rules were still broken ,,," Of course a replay would not have been ordered because Glen would NOT have initiated the appeal process. Tom Ryan stated yesterday that HQ could not have initiated it. I presume that a fine on Kilmacud would be appropriate in "the circumstances". MillerX (Meath) - Posts: 1062 - 03/02/2023 20:21:03 2456236 Link