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All Ireland Club Final, Kilmacud V Glen (Derry)

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The rules for an extra man on the field of play are, a fine, game awarded to other team or a replay. No one wants to win a game in a committee room, if fines are involved then all teams will start putting on an extra man if they were only going to be fined, so for me replay is the only option. Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2400 - 23/01/2023 12:01:34 2453594 Link
Replying To cuchulainn35: "I would agree they are at fault too. As some one who has been on the line for yrs , you always make sure the man comes off when you are replacing them. I have seen many acts of sculdugary on the line … did Crokes jump up and down when the had the extra player on - no they didn't -" Fair enough. But that's the officials job, and as someone else said, the person supervising the player going on and coming off only has one! Having said that, if you watch the last part the linesman is standing on the field with his flag raised to attract the attention of the referee, Presumably about Mullins but that's not clear. No club is going to be double thinking officials, least of all at the end of the match. And the fact that it was so entertaining and close and ended in such an exciting way no doubt impacted on all that happened too, As I said, a pity but if rules dictate a replay - a forfeit would be absurd and i am sure Glen would not accept it - then sobeit. As with the Christy Ring debacle, however, I don't think anyone could fairly claim that the outcome would have been different had the incidents not taken place. BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3688 - 23/01/2023 12:14:25 2453600 Link
I meant to say, obviously, with regard to the CR replay, that unlike that match, you could not say that the result would likely to have been different yesterday. BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3688 - 23/01/2023 12:18:00 2453601 Link
Enjoyable game , outcome in the balance until the final whistle. Perfect start for Glen racing into a five point lead, foul for penalty when Cunningham still had keeper and another defender to beat was a turning point. Glen will be very disappointed as they 4-5 great breaks with free players over and came away with nothing on each occasion. This was a result of good defending and forwards taking the wrong option. Conor Glass wasn't his usual self , heard Tg4 commentator say after HT that Conor was ill for the past 2 weeks. In a game of such fine margins the presence of a talent like Shane Walsh in their ranks swung it for Crokes. Curlew66 (Roscommon) - Posts: 632 - 23/01/2023 12:19:00 2453602 Link
In most competitions this carry on would mean forfeit game. Normally I would sympathise and hope a replay instead. But they would not even been there only they were somehow allowed bring in Shane Walsh mid season. Not to mention how a Dublin Referee ended up deciding that they could avoid playing Ratoath in the Leinster Final. Ashrules (Dublin) - Posts: 578 - 23/01/2023 12:25:41 2453606 Link
Replying To Saynothing: "The rules for an extra man on the field of play are, a fine, game awarded to other team or a replay. No one wants to win a game in a committee room, if fines are involved then all teams will start putting on an extra man if they were only going to be fined, so for me replay is the only option." It's not good enough from the officials, surely the play shouldn't resume until the 4th official confirms players subbed have left field of play, usual gamesmanship as well from team leading, happens in gaa all the time, mannion strolling off the field of play when subbed. After the antics of some player's last weekend and the officials this weekend, not been a good week for the GAA. What is with Tipperary ref's and Dublin teams???!!!!! It would be a terrible shame if this game had to be replayed owing to poor GAA officialdom, very insulting to both teams. btw we had 7 officials directly involved in game yesterday if you include Dickie Murphy on Hawkeye.... totalrecall (Leitrim) - Posts: 1152 - 23/01/2023 12:47:25 2453612 Link
Was a mistake to play Mannion imo. Seemed to upset the established offensive chemistry of recent outings, rather than bringing anything additional to the party. Maybe I'm not giving Glen enough credit, but that was as poor a Crokes display as I've seen, especially in attack, and most of their games seemed to he televised in recent months, and they seemed to be fine without Mannion, especially a borderline matchsharp Mannion. Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 4358 - 23/01/2023 12:47:41 2453613 Link
Replying To Pope_Benedict: "Was a mistake to play Mannion imo. Seemed to upset the established offensive chemistry of recent outings, rather than bringing anything additional to the party. Maybe I'm not giving Glen enough credit, but that was as poor a Crokes display as I've seen, especially in attack, and most of their games seemed to he televised in recent months, and they seemed to be fine without Mannion, especially a borderline matchsharp Mannion." Played much better in last year's final, even though they lost to a late goal, without Paul and no Shane. sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 1000 - 23/01/2023 13:00:57 2453618 Link
Replying To hyperache: "At the end of the day, Kilmacud had 16 players on the field defending the last play - clearly against the rules. 17 if you count Paul Mannion, I know he wasn't interfering or involved - but the other player was. Looks like an officiating error, but it was a costly error that denied Glen a fair opportunity to try and win the game at the end. There should really be no alternative other than ordering a replay. Similar thing happened with the Meath Antrim Christy Ring Cup a few years back, and the game had to be rightly replayed as a result. The right and moral thing needs to be done here" Agree there should be a replay. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16772 - 23/01/2023 13:07:09 2453621 Link
Replying To Saynothing: "The rules for an extra man on the field of play are, a fine, game awarded to other team or a replay. No one wants to win a game in a committee room, if fines are involved then all teams will start putting on an extra man if they were only going to be fined, so for me replay is the only option." Happened in a club game a few years back and a replay was ordered. Although from memory in that case the team with 16 scored a goal to win by one point. Opposition spotted the extra player and the referee noted it in his report, before resuming the final minute with 15 v 15. County ordered a replay on receipt of referee's report. ShinerMackey (Tyrone) - Posts: 14 - 23/01/2023 13:08:14 2453622 Link
Replying To totalrecall: "It's not good enough from the officials, surely the play shouldn't resume until the 4th official confirms players subbed have left field of play, usual gamesmanship as well from team leading, happens in gaa all the time, mannion strolling off the field of play when subbed. After the antics of some player's last weekend and the officials this weekend, not been a good week for the GAA. What is with Tipperary ref's and Dublin teams???!!!!! It would be a terrible shame if this game had to be replayed owing to poor GAA officialdom, very insulting to both teams. btw we had 7 officials directly involved in game yesterday if you include Dickie Murphy on Hawkeye...." Hard to see how it won't be replayed. 16 men pretty much all in the large rectangle would have had to make some sort of difference. Its not a case of a disputed goal or point or refereeing decision. Football is 15 men a side. It's a fundamental part of it. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16772 - 23/01/2023 13:10:47 2453623 Link
Replying To Saynothing: "The rules for an extra man on the field of play are, a fine, game awarded to other team or a replay. No one wants to win a game in a committee room, if fines are involved then all teams will start putting on an extra man if they were only going to be fined, so for me replay is the only option." Same as that Saynothing. I think a forfeit would be too strong and a fine too weak of a punishment. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16772 - 23/01/2023 13:12:56 2453625 Link
Replying To BarneyGrant: "People ought to really read what they think they are responding to. I said it would depend on them lodging an appeal IF the officials/Croke Park do not accept that a rule was broken. Seems it may have been so I assume there will be some action taken. Not clear at all what happened from the available footage - but I'm sure the relevant authorities will have that as well as all of the reports from the referee and other officials on the day. Typical of the interweb of course, this has rapidly descended into a pile on against Crokes who had nothing to do with any officiating error, and Dublin in general - just as it was Tyrone last week when every man who ever kicked a ball was being held partly morally responsible for one player's foul on David Clifford :-)" Wasn't responding to you in any way. A lot of what's out there is that they should appeal. I'm saying they shouldn't have to, clearly a rule has been broken, the Gaa should step up and deal with it. Galwayspur (Offaly) - Posts: 233 - 23/01/2023 13:16:33 2453629 Link
Has to be a replay. TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8467 - 23/01/2023 13:19:51 2453631 Link
Replying To Ulsterman: "16 men on the pitch and that extra man was active on blocking the goal line. It's black and white surely? The game must be replayed or Kilmacud should forfeit it. It looks however that Croke Park will run for cover as usual and leave Glen to chase it up." While I normally hate, hate, HATE seeing games replayed due to administrative errors, I think you're right in this case. Glen needed a goal, and Crokes had a player who shouldn't have been on the pitch, standing on the goal line! It also allowed Crokes an extra man to mark up any other Glen players posing a threat. His presence was materially impacting Glen's chances of getting a goal. What's to stop other teams defending a 2 point lead at the death from "accidentally" throwing on an extra player on their goal line and then saying, "oops, sorry", paying a Mickey Mouse fine, and still winning the game?! ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1258 - 23/01/2023 13:24:30 2453634 Link
Replying To BarneyGrant: "I meant to say, obviously, with regard to the CR replay, that unlike that match, you could not say that the result would likely to have been different yesterday." Of course you can, it's not as if Kilmacud were 12 points up and out of sight when it happened, it was a one score game. The team chasing the game winning score were denied a fair chance to get it as the opposing team had 17 players on the pitch. Were they going to get the goal at the end to win it? I mean probably not, but it's sport - anything can happen and a lot stranger things have happened. But they were not given a fair opportunity to run the last play. The game has to be replayed at the very least hyperache (Meath) - Posts: 273 - 23/01/2023 13:29:35 2453642 Link
Replying To Ulsterman: "I would agree with your post. I don't respond to the hot air from other "contributors" some of whom I doubt have any connection to the GAA whatsoever. There's a few trolls on HS." A few years ago when two Ulster teams were in the club finals were you not at a Celtic game? If there's someone who's in no position to call others others trolls it's you. oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1651 - 23/01/2023 13:29:58 2453643 Link
Replying To hyperache: " Replying To BarneyGrant: "I meant to say, obviously, with regard to the CR replay, that unlike that match, you could not say that the result would likely to have been different yesterday." Of course you can, it's not as if Kilmacud were 12 points up and out of sight when it happened, it was a one score game. The team chasing the game winning score were denied a fair chance to get it as the opposing team had 17 players on the pitch. Were they going to get the goal at the end to win it? I mean probably not, but it's sport - anything can happen and a lot stranger things have happened. But they were not given a fair opportunity to run the last play. The game has to be replayed at the very least" In the Meath/Antrim final, Meath did not win! the ref got the score wrong. Now, if you can't see the difference, I'm not sure what to say. There maybe ought to be a replay, but it is light years removed from what happened in the CR final. Did Meath offer a replay by the way? I don not recall that they did. Quite the opposite in fact. So, let's not pretend anyone is riding a white horse here. BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3688 - 23/01/2023 13:38:13 2453648 Link
Most people don't want to see games decided in committee rooms but either we have rules or we don't. If Kilmacud had 16 players on while a phase of play was going on, no matter how short, then they DID have an unfair numerical advantage. It's pretty black and white. Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9837 - 23/01/2023 14:14:27 2453666 Link
Crokes should take the initiative & get out in front of this, contact both Glen & GAA and offer a replay. It's a nonsense that the rules are a skewed in a way that puts the onus on the impacted party , in this case Glen, to have to make an objection to get this looked at. The GAA should be enforcing their own rules. Hawkeye2 (Wicklow) - Posts: 164 - 23/01/2023 14:27:29 2453673 Link