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Thats a very interesting point about the Crossmaglen final. I can see how there might be conflicting views but , in my opinion, there is a difference between these 2 finals, it is a subtle difference but significant too. In 2007 the ref basically made a mistake. He carded the player a second time without recalling the first card. Refs make mistakes and these have to be accepted. Glen are NOT looking for a replay based on the mistake of giving Crokes a penalty. No ref will make the perfect call every time and these mistakes happen and are accepted. Now, this is the subtle point. You could argue that letting the game progress before the substituted players went off was a refereeing error too. But I think to be fair its very difficult for a referee to keep a continuous count on the number of players on the pitch and this part of the rule book i.e. correct numbers of players on the pitch is really a joint policing exercise i.e. the officials can keep an eye out for his but there is a also a responsibility on the teams and team management that they adhere to these rules. Hence I believe that this is an integrity issue. When breaches of this integrity ( whether by accident or design) are discovered it is imperative that the penalty is harsh. anotheralias (Galway) - Posts: 839 - 01/02/2023 11:17:39 2455745 Link 0 |
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Most people won't admit that, a rule is a rule. You say extra man was part of play for the last play, so where do you want the line to be drawn? Extra man on field for 1 play only, maybe 2 , maybe more if nobody notices. Rules are there for a reason and other teams got replays for less . Let the game be won on the field, fairly.
Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2006 - 01/02/2023 11:39:27 2455746 Link 3 |
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KC are punished because of a referee's error. What punishment will the referee get. I know that it is not current practice now-a-days that the same referee gets a replay. If this incident happened before the current practice would the same referee get the replay considering that it was his error which lead to the replay. Is this a rematch or a replay. I thought that a replay could only happen if initial match was a draw. If a player was dismissed in previous match would he be eligible for replay or rematch as the result is now null and void. I think that the GAA should hand the trophy over to Glen as they wanted this replay. KC should boycott the rematch as they were the victim of the referee's error , Jack L (None) - Posts: 3099 - 01/02/2023 11:59:45 2455755 Link 0 |
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It's unbelievable that we can't do a Soccer style player off, player on. Watch any Soccer game and the sun don't come on until the player he's replacing comes off. An that includes an injury. Breffni1969 (Cavan) - Posts: 510 - 01/02/2023 12:06:22 2455758 Link 2 |
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Two subs were directed on by the linesman when play was stopped for the 45 and the ref was notified of the double substitution. If the ref did not see two players leaving the field he should not have restarted the game, hardly rocket science to count to two. This is the very reason that substitutions can only be made when play is stopped i.e so the ref has the ability not to restart the game until the subbed players have left. To compound his error the ref refused to have the 45 retaken (according to Glen) and he hadn't even the cajones to account for his mess-up in the match report
sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 674 - 01/02/2023 12:27:59 2455763 Link 1 |
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Are you really that dense. The game is being replayed because Crokes broke the rules. Same as if they selected an illegal player.
seamusorinn (USA) - Posts: 295 - 01/02/2023 12:34:21 2455764 Link 1 |
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No one knows but the odds of a last minute goal from a 45 against 15 surely west of 20/1, against 16 are the odds much different, purely on a mathematical basis the odds would go out one point to 21/1, lousy odds either way
sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 674 - 01/02/2023 12:34:41 2455766 Link 0 |
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Referee didn't get them to put 16 men on the pitch. So how is it his fault?
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11725 - 01/02/2023 12:36:54 2455767 Link 1 |
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In the "Crossmaglen" final, there was a player doubled carded and the referee did not show a red. This happened midway through the second half. Incidently he was substituted immediately. But Cross should have played final stages with 14 men. Dr Crokes had every right to appeal but chose to accept result on the field of play and move on. Glen should have done the same. If they win, it will be tainted. Already tainted for KC Jack L (None) - Posts: 3099 - 01/02/2023 12:59:04 2455774 Link 1 |
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Where did you see that about Glen asking for a retake of the 45?
SimonstownBack (Meath) - Posts: 143 - 01/02/2023 13:00:43 2455775 Link 0 |
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He should have ensured a player left the field before restarting play.
Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1399 - 01/02/2023 13:04:17 2455777 Link 1 |
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Yes,but it was Crokes who broke the rules.
ORIELMAN85 (Monaghan) - Posts: 109 - 01/02/2023 13:32:31 2455786 Link 0 |
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They alerted the linesman or sideline official of the error and he did not respond to it.
Jack L (None) - Posts: 3099 - 01/02/2023 13:35:07 2455787 Link 0 |
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The linesman indicated that a substitution was in progress. The referee had his hand up to stop play. The so called "16th" man came on as he was entitled to. The team was set up to defend the 45'. As Glen chose to ignore the referee and take the 45 quickly, the substituted player could not walk off as he was defending the situation. When play stopped he proceeded to come off. Incidently the referee was aware that the substitution was not complete as he did not allow play to recommence until he had left the field of play. KC were the victims than the sinners. Jack L (None) - Posts: 3099 - 01/02/2023 13:43:06 2455790 Link 0 |
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Malachy O'Rourke said in his after match interview that he pointed it out to the linesman but was ignored..I've no reason to doubt him.
spion7 (Roscommon) - Posts: 55 - 01/02/2023 13:49:46 2455792 Link 0 |
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Irish news "former Monaghan boss revealed they had asked for the 45 to be retaken but were told no!"
sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 674 - 01/02/2023 13:50:18 2455793 Link 0 |
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Malachy O'Rourke
sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 674 - 01/02/2023 13:51:50 2455794 Link 0 |
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If what you are saying was true the referee would've called the play back, as happens numerous times in nearly every game I have ever watched.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11725 - 01/02/2023 14:28:35 2455801 Link 0 |
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There was a Crokes player leaving the field at the time. There should've been 2.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11725 - 01/02/2023 14:30:11 2455802 Link 0 |
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Come off it! We've all played and/or coached football and hurling at various levels. Everyone knows when you send 2 players onto the pitch, and only 1 comes back, you've got an extra player on the pitch. I'm not suggesting they pre-planned this, but at that moment Crokes knew fine well they had an extra player on the pitch, and they weren't exactly jumping up and down trying to draw the referee's attention to it either. No, they were happy enough to defend the last attack with an extra player, and once that was safely cleared THEN bring their extra player off and say "oops, sorry". They thought they could chance their arm and it backfired on them. No sympathy from me! ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1246 - 01/02/2023 14:55:19 2455809 Link 2 |