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All Ireland Club Final, Kilmacud V Glen (Derry)

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Why does it have to depend in Glen lodging a complaint, a rule has clearly been broken, the GAA should deal with it. Galwayspur (Offaly) - Posts: 233 - 23/01/2023 08:13:07 2453515 Link
Replying To Ulsterman: "Where did I say the decision was anything about geography? Put your glasses on next time and read the actual post. I didn't say Crokes win was anything to do with the referee, I was talking about one decision." A decision given by the ref. So it had to have something to do with the ref, no? oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1651 - 23/01/2023 08:50:35 2453517 Link
Replying To Ulsterman: "That has to be one of the worst decisions ever seen on a football pitch. Crokes player blatantly fouls his opposing player and the referee gives Crokes a free. Crazy." I'm surprised you were actually watching it. Considering you're normally outraged by things in games you've actually not watched. oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1651 - 23/01/2023 08:53:22 2453519 Link
https://twitter.com/SmallerFishGAA/status/1617206760036614144?s=20&t=BC28qdxoM9Cq1G6ZTDsjDA The fact that the extra man was actually standing on the goal line makes it a bit more difficult. BlastCalyle (Mayo) - Posts: 216 - 23/01/2023 09:21:36 2453522 Link
This is a difficult one, as our Meath poster said there has been precedents, Armagh played Laois in the championship first round , Laois deserved to win , but a mistake by the sideline official and Laois resulted in an extra man. Armagh didn't protest but CCCC issued a replay , back in Portlaoise and Laois won again. In the Christy Ring Cup Meath were denied a famous win ( they did win , receive the Cup and plaudits ) and then had to replay it. On both occasions- the fourth official made the error , In this case, the waters are a bit muddier - the 17th player didn't come off in time - this is clearly deliberate. The 16th player didn't come off either - that is the fourth official at fault - he should have signaled to the referee of the error. Easy to blame the referee- but it is the fourth official - it's his / her only job . cuchulainn35 (Armagh) - Posts: 1691 - 23/01/2023 09:42:32 2453525 Link
Replying To Galwayspur: "Why does it have to depend in Glen lodging a complaint, a rule has clearly been broken, the GAA should deal with it." People ought to really read what they think they are responding to. I said it would depend on them lodging an appeal IF the officials/Croke Park do not accept that a rule was broken. Seems it may have been so I assume there will be some action taken. Not clear at all what happened from the available footage - but I'm sure the relevant authorities will have that as well as all of the reports from the referee and other officials on the day. Typical of the interweb of course, this has rapidly descended into a pile on against Crokes who had nothing to do with any officiating error, and Dublin in general - just as it was Tyrone last week when every man who ever kicked a ball was being held partly morally responsible for one player's foul on David Clifford :-) BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3688 - 23/01/2023 09:53:14 2453535 Link
the 16 man thing is a problem for the GAA. If they do not replay the game will this not keep happening? Replay the game in Derry to be fair. suckvalleypaddy (Galway) - Posts: 1763 - 23/01/2023 09:56:20 2453536 Link
16 men on the pitch and that extra man was active on blocking the goal line. It's black and white surely? The game must be replayed or Kilmacud should forfeit it. It looks however that Croke Park will run for cover as usual and leave Glen to chase it up. Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9837 - 23/01/2023 10:08:24 2453541 Link
The result will stand. thelongridge (Offaly) - Posts: 1879 - 23/01/2023 10:17:46 2453545 Link
Replying To BarneyGrant: "People ought to really read what they think they are responding to. I said it would depend on them lodging an appeal IF the officials/Croke Park do not accept that a rule was broken. Seems it may have been so I assume there will be some action taken. Not clear at all what happened from the available footage - but I'm sure the relevant authorities will have that as well as all of the reports from the referee and other officials on the day. Typical of the interweb of course, this has rapidly descended into a pile on against Crokes who had nothing to do with any officiating error, and Dublin in general - just as it was Tyrone last week when every man who ever kicked a ball was being held partly morally responsible for one player's foul on David Clifford :-)" I don't see many on HS piling in on Crokes or Dublin. I get the impression if it was down to the Glen players and management they would let it go but if there's a precedent that's been set in previous games that's different. Then Glen would be obliged to ask for clarification. It's only fair. Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9837 - 23/01/2023 10:20:30 2453548 Link
Replying To Galwayspur: "Why does it have to depend in Glen lodging a complaint, a rule has clearly been broken, the GAA should deal with it." It all depends on what the referee puts into his report. When the CCCC sees the report they can act on it if it is mentioned. If not then if Glen lodges an objection, the CCCC will investigate. CCCC(GAA)'s hands are tied if there is no reference to it in the referee's report. Jack L (None) - Posts: 3187 - 23/01/2023 10:26:53 2453550 Link
This is a difficult one, as our Meath poster said there has been precedents, Armagh played Laois in the championship first round , Laois deserved to win , but a mistake by the sideline official and Laois resulted in an extra man. Armagh didn't protest but CCCC issued a replay , back in Portlaoise and Laois won again. In the Christy Ring Cup Meath were denied a famous win ( they did win , receive the Cup and plaudits ) and then had to replay it. On both occasions- the fourth official made the error , In this case, the waters are a bit muddier - the 17th player didn't come off in time - this is clearly deliberate. The 16th player didn't come off either - that is the fourth official at fault - he should have signaled to the referee of the error. Easy to blame the referee- but it is the fourth official - it's his / her only job . cuchulainn35 (Armagh) - Posts: 1691 - 23/01/2023 10:29:48 2453552 Link
Replying To BarneyGrant: "People ought to really read what they think they are responding to. I said it would depend on them lodging an appeal IF the officials/Croke Park do not accept that a rule was broken. Seems it may have been so I assume there will be some action taken. Not clear at all what happened from the available footage - but I'm sure the relevant authorities will have that as well as all of the reports from the referee and other officials on the day. Typical of the interweb of course, this has rapidly descended into a pile on against Crokes who had nothing to do with any officiating error, and Dublin in general - just as it was Tyrone last week when every man who ever kicked a ball was being held partly morally responsible for one player's foul on David Clifford :-)" Nothing to do with Crokes? A substitute should not enter the field of play until the player they are replacing has left the field. Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2866 - 23/01/2023 11:02:41 2453570 Link
Replying To Ulsterman: "I don't see many on HS piling in on Crokes or Dublin. I get the impression if it was down to the Glen players and management they would let it go but if there's a precedent that's been set in previous games that's different. Then Glen would be obliged to ask for clarification. It's only fair." HS is moderated so you don't get that. I'm referring to Twitter mainly. It's not fault of either club. although I certainly accept the fact that teams as a matter of course now use late and meaningless substitutions to delay play, Of course Glen won't want to win or even draw in the committee room and it ought not be up to them to appeal which would make them look like bad losers. Nor are Crokes obligated to offer a replay as it was an official who was at fault, it would seem, but none of us know if we are going by what was shown on TG4. It's a mess surely. Pity as it was a good game played in a tough but sporting manner. BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3688 - 23/01/2023 11:04:03 2453571 Link
Replying To cuchulainn35: "This is a difficult one, as our Meath poster said there has been precedents, Armagh played Laois in the championship first round , Laois deserved to win , but a mistake by the sideline official and Laois resulted in an extra man. Armagh didn't protest but CCCC issued a replay , back in Portlaoise and Laois won again. In the Christy Ring Cup Meath were denied a famous win ( they did win , receive the Cup and plaudits ) and then had to replay it. On both occasions- the fourth official made the error , In this case, the waters are a bit muddier - the 17th player didn't come off in time - this is clearly deliberate. The 16th player didn't come off either - that is the fourth official at fault - he should have signaled to the referee of the error. Easy to blame the referee- but it is the fourth official - it's his / her only job ." And it isn't the Crokes management teams fault at all? Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16767 - 23/01/2023 11:04:19 2453572 Link
Replying To Viking66: "And it isn't the Crokes management teams fault at all?" I would agree they are at fault too. As some one who has been on the line for yrs , you always make sure the man comes off when you are replacing them. I have seen many acts of sculdugary on the line … did Crokes jump up and down when the had the extra player on - no they didn't - cuchulainn35 (Armagh) - Posts: 1691 - 23/01/2023 11:35:24 2453582 Link
Replying To Ulsterman: "That has to be one of the worst decisions ever seen on a football pitch. Crokes player blatantly fouls his opposing player and the referee gives Crokes a free. Crazy." This post didn't go your way ulsterman did it ? a large majority of HS posters didn't agree with your opinion maybe because they're knowledgeable and fair football people who know the rules of the game and don't go in for your constant anti Southern bias particularly when it comes to anything Dublin related. DUBJOHN (Dublin) - Posts: 943 - 23/01/2023 11:36:50 2453583 Link
Replying To Ulsterman: "I don't see many on HS piling in on Crokes or Dublin. I get the impression if it was down to the Glen players and management they would let it go but if there's a precedent that's been set in previous games that's different. Then Glen would be obliged to ask for clarification. It's only fair." It's funny how you always try and pretend you're not pushing your usual agenda and I'll always jump straight back to it within a few posts. oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1651 - 23/01/2023 11:43:10 2453587 Link
Replying To BarneyGrant: "HS is moderated so you don't get that. I'm referring to Twitter mainly. It's not fault of either club. although I certainly accept the fact that teams as a matter of course now use late and meaningless substitutions to delay play, Of course Glen won't want to win or even draw in the committee room and it ought not be up to them to appeal which would make them look like bad losers. Nor are Crokes obligated to offer a replay as it was an official who was at fault, it would seem, but none of us know if we are going by what was shown on TG4. It's a mess surely. Pity as it was a good game played in a tough but sporting manner." I would agree with your post. I don't respond to the hot air from other "contributors" some of whom I doubt have any connection to the GAA whatsoever. There's a few trolls on HS. Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9837 - 23/01/2023 11:48:59 2453589 Link
At the end of the day, Kilmacud had 16 players on the field defending the last play - clearly against the rules. 17 if you count Paul Mannion, I know he wasn't interfering or involved - but the other player was. Looks like an officiating error, but it was a costly error that denied Glen a fair opportunity to try and win the game at the end. There should really be no alternative other than ordering a replay. Similar thing happened with the Meath Antrim Christy Ring Cup a few years back, and the game had to be rightly replayed as a result. The right and moral thing needs to be done here hyperache (Meath) - Posts: 273 - 23/01/2023 11:53:13 2453590 Link