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i would be a supporter of mckennas but they had to take him off after the needless and headless yellow he got early on as he is the type of player who could easily get a second but he should get a chance in the championship and be allowed play his own direct game not the shite we played in the first half.
No one should get carried away with this win which was badly needed as defeat in another final would have been a diaster for this group of players. 27 minutes into the second half it was a two point game and Fermanagh looked the team on the up. We also got the rub of green from the ref on this occassion no penalty awarded against us when killian Clarke lifted the ball straight of the ground in our square a free against Cian Mcmanus for overcarrying in the first half when he was oboviously fouled and from which we pointed and one or two other soft frees. I cant remember when was the last time we ever came out the right side of a referee in a tight game. If Galligan had of had an off day on the frees or Barry Cassidy had off reffed this game ( Mckenna would have got a black card and fermanagh a penalty} the result would have been our normal one in croke park.

breffnibluewhite (Cavan) - Posts: 485 - 02/04/2023 13:05:22    2468240

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Nice to get some silverware. The performance was poor against a poor Fermanagh team.
Hollow played like an inter county player should. Full of energy , with speed and vision. Deserved his man of the match.
The ploy of GMc in full forward didn't last long. 1 game to be exact. A wet evening was perfect for the high ball in the square as Sligo showed .
We are miles of what's required v Armagh. Very few scores coming from play especially in the 1st half when we really struggled.
I don't understand KC role maybe someone could enlighten me as to what he brings to the team.

Breffni1969 (Cavan) - Posts: 510 - 02/04/2023 13:37:54    2468246

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Replying To breffnibluewhite:  "i would be a supporter of mckennas but they had to take him off after the needless and headless yellow he got early on as he is the type of player who could easily get a second but he should get a chance in the championship and be allowed play his own direct game not the shite we played in the first half.
No one should get carried away with this win which was badly needed as defeat in another final would have been a diaster for this group of players. 27 minutes into the second half it was a two point game and Fermanagh looked the team on the up. We also got the rub of green from the ref on this occassion no penalty awarded against us when killian Clarke lifted the ball straight of the ground in our square a free against Cian Mcmanus for overcarrying in the first half when he was oboviously fouled and from which we pointed and one or two other soft frees. I cant remember when was the last time we ever came out the right side of a referee in a tight game. If Galligan had of had an off day on the frees or Barry Cassidy had off reffed this game ( Mckenna would have got a black card and fermanagh a penalty} the result would have been our normal one in croke park."
Why are you trying to make excuses why we won ? If galligan had on off day? If it had to be a different ref if they had to get a penalty?? What if Raymond had to save their goal! What if their goal keeper had on off day and didn't pull off great saves ! What if Cian McManus hadn't got a hand to the ball for holla through on goals we would have won by 18 points! What if?

blueman1903 (Cavan) - Posts: 885 - 02/04/2023 14:18:13    2468254

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Well done to the players and management, the 2nd half was a much better performance. Jason mcglaughlin made a big difference when he came on. Faulkner,Ciaran Brady and Galligan are good leaders on the team. Young mckenna was unfortunate and I felt sorry for him I'd say some of the posters slating him and saying he should be embarassed never kicked a ball in anger, classic hurlers on ditch.
The team got promotion and won the final, so we couldn't have asked for more from them in the league. its a great honour to play for your county but let's acknowledge the massive commitment involved,they're a dedicated bunch of lads fair play to them. An Cabhan Abu

facer4home (Cavan) - Posts: 163 - 02/04/2023 14:23:07    2468255

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Replying To Breffni1969:  "Nice to get some silverware. The performance was poor against a poor Fermanagh team.
Hollow played like an inter county player should. Full of energy , with speed and vision. Deserved his man of the match.
The ploy of GMc in full forward didn't last long. 1 game to be exact. A wet evening was perfect for the high ball in the square as Sligo showed .
We are miles of what's required v Armagh. Very few scores coming from play especially in the 1st half when we really struggled.
I don't understand KC role maybe someone could enlighten me as to what he brings to the team."
I would seriously question your knowledge of Gaa football if you do not see what killian Clarke brings to the team.

Desman (Monaghan) - Posts: 36 - 02/04/2023 14:24:21    2468256

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Replying To Desman:  "I would seriously question your knowledge of Gaa football if you do not see what killian Clarke brings to the team."
Tell me?

Breffni1969 (Cavan) - Posts: 510 - 02/04/2023 14:30:14    2468257

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Replying To blueman1903:  "Why are you trying to make excuses why we won ? If galligan had on off day? If it had to be a different ref if they had to get a penalty?? What if Raymond had to save their goal! What if their goal keeper had on off day and didn't pull off great saves ! What if Cian McManus hadn't got a hand to the ball for holla through on goals we would have won by 18 points! What if?"
you miss my point it was a very average performacne overall apart from last five minutes against a very average team and we needed a good slice of luck via the ref to get over the line

breffnibluewhite (Cavan) - Posts: 485 - 02/04/2023 14:52:07    2468258

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Replying To breffnibluewhite:  "you miss my point it was a very average performacne overall apart from last five minutes against a very average team and we needed a good slice of luck via the ref to get over the line"
Yes I can't see the slice of luck via the ref, yes probably Cian McManus was fouled and was done for over carrying but on numerous occasions we were fouled and turned over and no free, so yes I miss your point.

blueman1903 (Cavan) - Posts: 885 - 02/04/2023 15:17:01    2468263

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Replying To blueman1903:  "Yes I can't see the slice of luck via the ref, yes probably Cian McManus was fouled and was done for over carrying but on numerous occasions we were fouled and turned over and no free, so yes I miss your point."
I watched the match and the more experienced team won and on balance were the better team with the Fermanagh keeper making some great saves when goals should have been taken (keeper was man of match). The Ref was not great for either side and a very obvious penalty was not given near the end when a Fermanagh forward (think it was Quigly) was pulled to the ground by the neck inside the small square. On another note I think it shows total lack of regard for the Div 3 counties playing a match in CP after 7pm on Saturday when mid-day/daylight would be more suitable. Best of luck to both teams in the Ulster championship which is always the most competitive of the provinces. Cavan do have a long strong championship tradition in Ulster leading the way by a journey.

browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 02/04/2023 15:42:51    2468273

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Jason mc loughlin...

ponger (Cavan) - Posts: 555 - 02/04/2023 15:53:39    2468279

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Replying To Breffni1969:  "Tell me?"
Yes me too

tom84 (Cavan) - Posts: 334 - 02/04/2023 20:08:28    2468388

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So managed to get a rewatch in yesterday . Odd game overall. That first half was brutal, but seeing otherwise strong free takers miss handy frees, the conditions pitch side had to have been terrible. Saying all that, doesn't fully explain the poor play. It was always going to be a tough half after last week and both setting up to hold on tight. What I am happy about is how we responded, how we learned, and how we then turned the screw. Croke Park football is different, and we just had that little bit more. Made changes, and practically every sub made a difference. McKenna was unlucky. Graham said after it was the yellow, and he learned himself from the Tailteann final last year to know when to make changes. Conor Brady is some sub to be able to bring on. I don't need to say much on Jayo McLoughlin. He's unreal. My favourite. Constantly turning the ball over, getting a hand in, coming out with a loose ball. He's so good. Faulkner kept Kelm quiet all game, while Holla had one of his best games since his injury. McKiernan didn't have a great game. Seemed to be off it, so maybe being subbed will get him to reset and come back rightly in 3 weeks.

That 2nd half was when we really showed we learned and changed. The 5 points on the trot was us turning that game, and it killed them. It took a lot out of them to get back to a point, and that was their last score as we scored 5 more unanswered to see this out while they were dead on their feet. And that's with missing at least 3 goal chances. Scoreline could have been more. Difference now is that we have 20-22 players who can influence a game, and we can bring in lads if you're not preforming. Think this sets us up very well for April 22. Lot of players back from injury (were they actually injured? how can Dara go from a boot to a full game in 6 days?) and hope we've a good few weeks of prep to get lads right for the quarter final. I see no reason an Ulster final isn't achievable. We have the players to do so and must go out and attack this now. I feel confidence in this team, and the management too. Go and do it now.

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2466 - 03/04/2023 09:22:29    2468451

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A win is a win, and winning a final in Croke Park is a massive bonus.

A very poor first half, slow and lethargic and its very worrying that having played Fermanagh twice in the space of a week, we've only managed two points from play in total in the two matches, the 2 points coming from play on Saturday night, one being a fist.

Second half was much better, fast flowing attacking football, there was urgency and passion and this is how we need to play going forward. If we play like this, then we have a shot at Ulster, if not, then its the Tailteann Cup, but the second half showed that the players can do it when they want.

cavanblueman (Cavan) - Posts: 636 - 03/04/2023 09:25:02    2468453

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Great performance in the 2nd half by Cavan. Too slow and defensive in 1st half. Fought hard, made many turn overs and took some lovely scores. I really thought Jack McCarron was hard done by, and hope he stays involved. Going on the Sunday Game, Canavan pointed out many of linesmen and Refs odd bad calls. Paul Flynn seems to think Cavan got best of Ref's bad decisions. Not sure where he saw that. Think he was watching Cluxton hype too much.

Never seen the kicks out stopped so much by a 2nd ball on the pitch. Clear there was no balls boys, and the umpires were not for moving to gather a ball 2 yards away from me. Lazy lazy boys. This meant several kick outs were slowed down. Fantastic to win. Delighted for players and Mickey n team. All eyes focused on Championship! Can someone please confirm for me what date is the game against Antrim/Armagh? Some seem to say its Sunday the 16th, others say Sunday the 23rd? Can someone let me know please. Hard to find clear info on the Ulster Draw...

Breffini1967 (Cavan) - Posts: 18 - 03/04/2023 09:55:34    2468462

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Replying To facer4home:  "Well done to the players and management, the 2nd half was a much better performance. Jason mcglaughlin made a big difference when he came on. Faulkner,Ciaran Brady and Galligan are good leaders on the team. Young mckenna was unfortunate and I felt sorry for him I'd say some of the posters slating him and saying he should be embarassed never kicked a ball in anger, classic hurlers on ditch.
The team got promotion and won the final, so we couldn't have asked for more from them in the league. its a great honour to play for your county but let's acknowledge the massive commitment involved,they're a dedicated bunch of lads fair play to them. An Cabhan Abu"
Young McKenna was not unfortunate… he got himself a clumsy yellow card and Graham was right to call him ashore as he would be liable to pick up a second… he might call himself unlucky to be subbed the weekend before alright but his petulant reaction on the sideline was not good to see… You have to accept the call especially when he got himself unnecessary booked…..!!!

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3863 - 03/04/2023 10:19:47    2468467

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Replying To Breffini1967:  "Great performance in the 2nd half by Cavan. Too slow and defensive in 1st half. Fought hard, made many turn overs and took some lovely scores. I really thought Jack McCarron was hard done by, and hope he stays involved. Going on the Sunday Game, Canavan pointed out many of linesmen and Refs odd bad calls. Paul Flynn seems to think Cavan got best of Ref's bad decisions. Not sure where he saw that. Think he was watching Cluxton hype too much.

Never seen the kicks out stopped so much by a 2nd ball on the pitch. Clear there was no balls boys, and the umpires were not for moving to gather a ball 2 yards away from me. Lazy lazy boys. This meant several kick outs were slowed down. Fantastic to win. Delighted for players and Mickey n team. All eyes focused on Championship! Can someone please confirm for me what date is the game against Antrim/Armagh? Some seem to say its Sunday the 16th, others say Sunday the 23rd? Can someone let me know please. Hard to find clear info on the Ulster Draw..."
Jack McCarron would indeed be hard done by, seeing as he plays with our dear neighbours ;)

Re the balls, I used to think the same until I had it explained. However, I believe they have been told not to go for balls or bring them back. That's not their job, as they're meant to watch ahead of them, and if they missed an incident as they're off collecting balls with no eyes ahead, that'd be bad. GAA should provide ball boys whose sole job is to gets balls off the field and get new ones on as needed

We play next on Saturday the 22nd

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2466 - 03/04/2023 11:51:43    2468484

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "Young McKenna was not unfortunate… he got himself a clumsy yellow card and Graham was right to call him ashore as he would be liable to pick up a second… he might call himself unlucky to be subbed the weekend before alright but his petulant reaction on the sideline was not good to see… You have to accept the call especially when he got himself unnecessary booked…..!!!"
Ah I disagree there. Yes the decision to take him off was correct, as Graham said he learned from Westmeath last year to take off a player in a position where he'd be liable for another yellow. I think his reaction is fine. Expected even. Your heart is pumping, you're full of adrenaline, of course he'd be raging. I love to see that. Graham will get him to turn that inward and bust himself next few weeks so he can right that in the quarters. I love seeing lads annoyed that they can't give all for the team. More of that please, some others could do with this fire in the belly

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2466 - 03/04/2023 11:55:06    2468485

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Replying To Loughduff Lad:  "Ah I disagree there. Yes the decision to take him off was correct, as Graham said he learned from Westmeath last year to take off a player in a position where he'd be liable for another yellow. I think his reaction is fine. Expected even. Your heart is pumping, you're full of adrenaline, of course he'd be raging. I love to see that. Graham will get him to turn that inward and bust himself next few weeks so he can right that in the quarters. I love seeing lads annoyed that they can't give all for the team. More of that please, some others could do with this fire in the belly"
we could have a great ulster championship the leading teams Tyrone and Derry are not that much ahead of the rest of the pack would be great if Monaghan could sent Tyrone packing as they are our bogey team but Monaghan also have a problem getting over them. Not much between Donegal Monaghan Armagh and Cavan and on their day any one of the four could come out on top. We have not reproduced the football that should have beaten Donegal in last years championship ie the long ball into the full forward line at every opportunity and its a pity as it was great football to watch compared to the fare against fermanagh look how often Dublin kicked the ball yesterday at least twice as much as Derry and look how many goal chances this quicker transition to the forward line created against what everyone thought was a great defence.

breffnibluewhite (Cavan) - Posts: 485 - 03/04/2023 12:42:10    2468504

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Replying To cavanblueman:  "A win is a win, and winning a final in Croke Park is a massive bonus.

A very poor first half, slow and lethargic and its very worrying that having played Fermanagh twice in the space of a week, we've only managed two points from play in total in the two matches, the 2 points coming from play on Saturday night, one being a fist.

Second half was much better, fast flowing attacking football, there was urgency and passion and this is how we need to play going forward. If we play like this, then we have a shot at Ulster, if not, then its the Tailteann Cup, but the second half showed that the players can do it when they want."
" we've only managed two points from play in total in the two matches,"

Are you actually serious ?

I think I remember : Gmac right foot, Conor Madden, Dara McVitty, Ryan o' Neill, Conor Smith, Paddy Lynch, James Smith, Oisín Brady (1 maybe 2)

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5520 - 03/04/2023 13:28:52    2468524

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Replying To Desman:  "I would seriously question your knowledge of Gaa football if you do not see what killian Clarke brings to the team."
please enlighten me

bond (Longford) - Posts: 174 - 03/04/2023 14:06:50    2468550

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