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Next Years Senior Hurling (And Football Championship)

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Replying To Saynothing:  "Not going by the current Hoganstand poll. As for supporting teams, it's club and county for me but only in one code. As for dual players, it's a bit like the saying, Jack or all trades but Master of none."
I havent seen the poll to be honest. Can you send me a link?
A poll on HS I would expect to be the opposite though as a lot of posters here are very clearly intercounty followers in the main.
Theres ny amount of articles from intercounty players who agree with the split season and I know many club players who love it too as they know when they can go on holidays and enjoy events. I could be wrong but I havent seen any players saying its a bad idea.

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 13/12/2022 11:04:48    2450275

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Replying To Saynothing:  "In a proper footballing county like ours this helps when it comes to inter county championship. Tyrone are up there with the best of them. A limited few play 19 games and that's winning the championship. It's way better than training all year for a few games."
Agreed on your last point. But we only have 12 months in the year regardless of a split season or not. If a county wants to play all those games then thats there decision but you cant have it everyway unless you want to get rid of club or intercounty or add about 6 months to the irish calendar! All those games seems a bit much to me though considering the winners also go on and play in Ulster.
Personally I think it should stay as is and in Tipp I feel it has def generated more interest in the club games as people are mad to get out to watch games after the intercounty season. That can only be good.

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 13/12/2022 11:11:41    2450277

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The master fixture list for 2023 has August, September and October for the club championships. The All-Ireland hurling club semi-final are scheduled for before Christmas. The calendar year can only be achieved by running the club provincial and club All-Ireland stages over a shorter timescale.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7873 - 13/12/2022 11:17:10    2450279

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Replying To Saynothing:  "In a proper footballing county like ours this helps when it comes to inter county championship. Tyrone are up there with the best of them. A limited few play 19 games and that's winning the championship. It's way better than training all year for a few games."
That's as may be, but you were concerned about player welfare if somebody wants to play both codes.

I pointed out that playing both codes here in Wexford involves playing no more than 16 matches in the same period of time as playing at least the same number of matches in Tyrone (15 league, possible league semi-finals and final, first round of championship, and up to three further championship matches, depending on how your side progresses).

Now it seems you're no longer concerned about player welfare.

Flip. Flop. Can you at least try to be consistent in what you say here?

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2254 - 13/12/2022 11:42:45    2450282

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Replying To Viking66:  "We do, several in fact, but our u20 championships don't clash with the adult ones anyway. Our intercounty hurling u20 team lost a player because he played senior intercounty. That's a stupid rule."
But every county did. Joyce in Cork and O'Neill in Limerick were prime examples.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4340 - 13/12/2022 11:42:56    2450283

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "But every county did. Joyce in Cork and O'Neill in Limerick were prime examples."
Its still an unnecessary rule given how quick the U20 is played off. The player in question might never get a decent shot at winning something again.

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 13/12/2022 12:45:26    2450290

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "But every county did. Joyce in Cork and O'Neill in Limerick were prime examples."
Yes exactly OTM. Stupid rule. Cost the 2 of us in our 1 point losses to Kilkenny too.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12046 - 13/12/2022 12:48:31    2450291

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Replying To tiobraid:  "I havent seen the poll to be honest. Can you send me a link?
A poll on HS I would expect to be the opposite though as a lot of posters here are very clearly intercounty followers in the main.
Theres ny amount of articles from intercounty players who agree with the split season and I know many club players who love it too as they know when they can go on holidays and enjoy events. I could be wrong but I havent seen any players saying its a bad idea."
None down this way that I know. Intercounty or club.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12046 - 13/12/2022 12:49:29    2450292

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Replying To legendzxix:  "The master fixture list for 2023 has August, September and October for the club championships. The All-Ireland hurling club semi-final are scheduled for before Christmas. The calendar year can only be achieved by running the club provincial and club All-Ireland stages over a shorter timescale."
Or by running the intercounty calendar over a shorter timescale surely?

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12046 - 13/12/2022 12:50:49    2450293

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Replying To legendzxix:  "The master fixture list for 2023 has August, September and October for the club championships. The All-Ireland hurling club semi-final are scheduled for before Christmas. The calendar year can only be achieved by running the club provincial and club All-Ireland stages over a shorter timescale."
Why do we need 7 whole months for intercounty championships that only have at most 33 or 34 teams currently, and only 3 months to run championships for 2200 teams?

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12046 - 13/12/2022 12:59:32    2450295

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Motions passed at Wexford Convention last night to change the rule for both hurling and football championships, so that a player could play in both senior and U20, but in only one of them in any seven-day period.

The motions will go on now to Congress and will hopefully get enough support there to pass.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2254 - 13/12/2022 13:03:25    2450297

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Replying To Viking66:  "Why do we need 7 whole months for intercounty championships that only have at most 33 or 34 teams currently, and only 3 months to run championships for 2200 teams?"
Because the 2200 teams play in 33 separate competitions

Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1438 - 13/12/2022 13:11:06    2450300

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "Motions passed at Wexford Convention last night to change the rule for both hurling and football championships, so that a player could play in both senior and U20, but in only one of them in any seven-day period.

The motions will go on now to Congress and will hopefully get enough support there to pass."
Fingers crossed as its a sensible answer to the problem

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12046 - 13/12/2022 13:12:11    2450301

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Replying To legendzxix:  "The master fixture list for 2023 has August, September and October for the club championships. The All-Ireland hurling club semi-final are scheduled for before Christmas. The calendar year can only be achieved by running the club provincial and club All-Ireland stages over a shorter timescale."
The calender is still too full no matter what. The club inter county championship should be played the following year. Do away with the useless inter county leagues and start the championship earlier followed by club championship as the teams are geting ready for their county championships anyway. Or reverse the order with the club and county championships first. A total close down from November to January. However to do this I say the leagues and any other useless competitions need to go. The inter county club championship will be elevated further which is what you want to keep the games alive at grass roots and every club with something to play for.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2665 - 13/12/2022 13:56:25    2450311

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Replying To Seanfanbocht:  "Because the 2200 teams play in 33 separate competitions"
It's still double the number of teams per competition. So why only half the time? Hardly fair.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12046 - 13/12/2022 14:59:06    2450323

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Replying To Canuck:  "The calender is still too full no matter what. The club inter county championship should be played the following year. Do away with the useless inter county leagues and start the championship earlier followed by club championship as the teams are geting ready for their county championships anyway. Or reverse the order with the club and county championships first. A total close down from November to January. However to do this I say the leagues and any other useless competitions need to go. The inter county club championship will be elevated further which is what you want to keep the games alive at grass roots and every club with something to play for."
Only about 7% of Clubs take part in the Inter County Club competitions and half them only get 1 game.

Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1438 - 13/12/2022 15:27:27    2450326

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Replying To Seanfanbocht:  "Only about 7% of Clubs take part in the Inter County Club competitions and half them only get 1 game."
Yes so why not keep them in January and February where they always were instead of squeezing the calendar for everyone else?

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12046 - 13/12/2022 17:29:07    2450339

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The inter-county championship season is April to July. The club championship season is August to December and into January currently. That's 4 months to 6 months.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7873 - 14/12/2022 07:46:14    2450364

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Replying To legendzxix:  "The inter-county championship season is April to July. The club championship season is August to December and into January currently. That's 4 months to 6 months."
club season entails county championship, provincial championhsip, all ireland series & dual players so that would stand to reason.

TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1752 - 14/12/2022 10:38:38    2450376

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Replying To Viking66:  "Yes so why not keep them in January and February where they always were instead of squeezing the calendar for everyone else?"
Yep I definitely think they deserve the least prestigious part of the year.

The only issues though are how long do you allocate for intercounty if they don't start until March.

Should it be a split season still?

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4240 - 14/12/2022 10:50:02    2450378

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