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There are some very good players " trapped " in clubs that are poorly organised and with no strategy . Is it right for them to play all their life and win zero because of where they live ? OpenStand (Limerick) - Posts: 669 - 20/11/2022 21:18:25 2448251 Link 1 |
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Your question is one that goes right to the heart of how the ideals of the GAA are about local communities and pride of place, as well as sporting competition. On the one hand, you can ask is it right that a top player could be "trapped" in a small and uncompetitive club. On the other hand, would it be right for a small club to be almost guaranteed that they'd lose their best player, just as they finally have someone to pin their hopes on? If you introduced a "transfer to where you want, so you can play where you want" system, you'd probably end up with a stack of what would essentially be feeder clubs in each county, and a relatively small number of senior clubs hoovering up the best talent from all around them. Again, it's happening to a certain degree already, as some people try find a way around the rules in order to get a "dodgy" transfer through. But opening it up for all and sundry to move wherever they want and whenever they want, just by filling out a few forms, would be an absolutely fundamental change. Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2226 - 21/11/2022 09:27:09 2448268 Link 1 |
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"Senior clubs hoovering up the best talent", that is happening in Westmeath where there is no parish rule. Here the 'rich' can rob the 'poor' with impunity. In that scenario the smaller clubs will be feeder clubs, similar to what happens across the water in soccer. Is this what we want ? dbpcmi (Westmeath) - Posts: 66 - 21/11/2022 10:27:40 2448282 Link 0 |
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I wouldn't want it myself, anyway. But seems others might. Then again, maybe they haven't properly thought through all of the consequences. What I would consider is a provision for children to play for a club outside of where they live or go to school, if there's a strong family link in that other place. For example, somebody whose family is steeped in their local (rural) club ends up living in their nearest town instead of in their home parish. You could allow their children to play for the "home" club, instead of the club in the town where they're living and presumably going to school. Or vice versa, if somebody from the town moves out to a country area that they've no other connection with. You could allow their children to play with the town team. Maybe something like that is behind the Tullamore proposal in Offaly....don't know enough about it myself to comment specifically on it. But what I can say is that any such rule would need to be very carefully worded, unless you really don't mind a free-for-all. Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2226 - 21/11/2022 12:27:25 2448309 Link 0 |
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The biggest problem the GAA currently faces is that the parish rule is not properly enforced. Dublin is a disgrace. icehonesty (Wexford) - Posts: 2550 - 21/11/2022 13:55:56 2448324 Link 0 |
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The problem with the above is that it is very subjective. Who is making the call? Do you need a letter from the school and a parish priest?!!
liam500 (Wicklow) - Posts: 175 - 21/11/2022 14:29:16 2448326 Link 0 |
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Not subjective at all if it's worded properly and confined to the circumstances I suggest. A parent who can produce evidence that he/she was a member of a club for X number of years, and/or is still a member of that club, could have their child become a member of that club too.
Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2226 - 21/11/2022 15:08:45 2448331 Link 0 |
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Seems logical enough
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11715 - 21/11/2022 15:23:25 2448336 Link 0 |
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? There is no 'parish rule' in Dublin. You bring your child to whatever club you want. Works very well for us as a 'parish rule' wouldn't work at all. MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13704 - 21/11/2022 21:24:25 2448376 Link 0 |
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GAA clubs were founded on the Parishs that the Catholic Church created, these parishs in that world are now moving to clusters of 3/4 parishs together. Many GAA underage set ups are amalgamating along similar lines already. hurler32 (Limerick) - Posts: 867 - 22/11/2022 08:42:26 2448381 Link 1 |
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Parish based was fine in a horse and trap era when people seldom travelled more than a few miles from home. In these more mobile and more urbanised and secularised days its becoming a historical anachronistic feature. Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1397 - 22/11/2022 12:04:29 2448402 Link 1 |
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A cluster rule - not a bad shout. Thats a bit like how Kerry arrange their Senior Championship. It works for them - could it work in other counties too?
brianb (Kildare) - Posts: 278 - 22/11/2022 12:36:29 2448406 Link 1 |
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I hear you but there is the flip side of that. The little club who nurtured the kid and brought him through to the table with their resources. Maybe the reason they are struggling is because the big club has a policy of poaching. I have heard of building sites etc. on offer if you move. At the end of the day it is difficult to take away the right of the player to play where he wishes. He is not getting paid. Or not in most instances but who knows when someone else wants him. Like I said before the vast majority are extremely loyal to their parish and club. I was from a junior club that at least six would have made it to any senior team but to this day as old men they have no regrets if you ask them.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2655 - 22/11/2022 14:48:15 2448433 Link 0 |
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The Cahalanes in Cork play senior hurling for the Barr's in Cork city,their local club,and senior football for Castlehaven in West Cork,their Dad's club. Moyle (Tipperary) - Posts: 86 - 25/11/2022 12:59:28 2448692 Link 0 |
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That whole thing is ironic, as the Barrs, the Glen and the Rockies poached everything from neighbouring smaller clubs in Cork for decades.
Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4316 - 25/11/2022 21:43:03 2448739 Link 0 |