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Reading a number of articles recently about teams struggling to field, amalgamations etc and seeing many county titles won primarily by Urban Clubs how can those living in rural areas compete with large urban clubs who have many players and as important many good administrators. Its probably a bigger issue away from Dublin,Kildare,Meath,Wicklow . Is it time for District Clubs ( 4 or 5 Parishs playing under one District club ) a bit like a Rugby club been backboned by 4/5 surrounding parishs ?
9 of Limericks 12 Senior Hurling teams next year are Limerick city or Greater Limerick city area clubs where all the Jobs are & people are settling . Practically all underage Hurling finals are the same few city clubs.
OpenStand (Limerick) - Posts: 672 - 18/11/2022 14:59:48
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It's a growing issue all right, but with respect, I don't think the thread title properly reflects what you're asking about or suggesting.
Allowing four or five clubs from four or five different parishes to amalgamate as a district team still requires a parish rule in the first place, in order to define those four or five clubs. And I've have no objection to clubs coming together in this way, where necessary and appropriate.
But I'd be absolutely opposed to any suggestion to do away with the parish rule altogether. If you did that, so that people everywhere could basically play with whatever club they wanted, then there'd be countless clubs all over the country who wouldn't be guaranteed of anyone ever choosing to play with them at all, if they had a bigger or more successful club on their doorstep.
Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2239 - 18/11/2022 15:52:50
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There are already counties where there is no parish rule. Westmeath is one example.
jamsie (Westmeath) - Posts: 443 - 18/11/2022 16:03:43
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Replying To OpenStand: "Reading a number of articles recently about teams struggling to field, amalgamations etc and seeing many county titles won primarily by Urban Clubs how can those living in rural areas compete with large urban clubs who have many players and as important many good administrators. Its probably a bigger issue away from Dublin,Kildare,Meath,Wicklow . Is it time for District Clubs ( 4 or 5 Parishs playing under one District club ) a bit like a Rugby club been backboned by 4/5 surrounding parishs ?
9 of Limericks 12 Senior Hurling teams next year are Limerick city or Greater Limerick city area clubs where all the Jobs are & people are settling . Practically all underage Hurling finals are the same few city clubs." In a word - no. In our county ways round it have been openly devised for years.
Freethinker (Wicklow) - Posts: 992 - 18/11/2022 16:04:10
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Replying To Pikeman96: "It's a growing issue all right, but with respect, I don't think the thread title properly reflects what you're asking about or suggesting.
Allowing four or five clubs from four or five different parishes to amalgamate as a district team still requires a parish rule in the first place, in order to define those four or five clubs. And I've have no objection to clubs coming together in this way, where necessary and appropriate.
But I'd be absolutely opposed to any suggestion to do away with the parish rule altogether. If you did that, so that people everywhere could basically play with whatever club they wanted, then there'd be countless clubs all over the country who wouldn't be guaranteed of anyone ever choosing to play with them at all, if they had a bigger or more successful club on their doorstep." Isn't that the way in the Cities , and Kildare as well I think?
Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1413 - 18/11/2022 16:05:09
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Replying To OpenStand: "Reading a number of articles recently about teams struggling to field, amalgamations etc and seeing many county titles won primarily by Urban Clubs how can those living in rural areas compete with large urban clubs who have many players and as important many good administrators. Its probably a bigger issue away from Dublin,Kildare,Meath,Wicklow . Is it time for District Clubs ( 4 or 5 Parishs playing under one District club ) a bit like a Rugby club been backboned by 4/5 surrounding parishs ?
9 of Limericks 12 Senior Hurling teams next year are Limerick city or Greater Limerick city area clubs where all the Jobs are & people are settling . Practically all underage Hurling finals are the same few city clubs." Tullamore GAA have proposed a motion for discussion at the Offaly Convention, proposing a change to the existing parish rule. The motion if passed, would allow a player join a club other than where they currently reside, if they 'qualify by having other Relevant Connection, with a catchment area, through strong family connection, I.e parents or guardians. The Offaly CCC, would have to be satisfied that the relevant connection applies to the area other than the player's current address.
It has provoked a discussion in local media, particularly on the term' strong family connection'. Clubs bordering Tullamore will be interested in the proposed motion, as will other Offaly clubs.
Tullamore's greater urban area, would include the catchment area of other neighbouring clubs. The issue will engender plenty of debate/ discussion at Convention, and in the preceding few weeks.
thelongridge (Offaly) - Posts: 1740 - 18/11/2022 16:17:36
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There is no parish rule in Westmeath. You can play with whoever you want.
Jack_Sparrow (Westmeath) - Posts: 1016 - 18/11/2022 16:37:01
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Replying To Pikeman96: "It's a growing issue all right, but with respect, I don't think the thread title properly reflects what you're asking about or suggesting.
Allowing four or five clubs from four or five different parishes to amalgamate as a district team still requires a parish rule in the first place, in order to define those four or five clubs. And I've have no objection to clubs coming together in this way, where necessary and appropriate.
But I'd be absolutely opposed to any suggestion to do away with the parish rule altogether. If you did that, so that people everywhere could basically play with whatever club they wanted, then there'd be countless clubs all over the country who wouldn't be guaranteed of anyone ever choosing to play with them at all, if they had a bigger or more successful club on their doorstep." I think it can work both ways though.
Smaller clubs could get players from stronger clubs that can't quite make the senior panel but don't want to play reserve or lower teams.
My old club also had a situation where they were able to bring through a successful team with a number of players who got permission as juveniles to play outside their parish club. Those players wouldn't get that permission today because the previously small club were able to pass out the previously stronger club from the larger parish.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4215 - 18/11/2022 17:24:05
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Long story short is the parish rule can also keep smaller clubs small as well as preserving other small clubs.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4215 - 18/11/2022 17:25:02
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I am in favour of amalgamated teams though.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4215 - 18/11/2022 17:25:29
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Successful senior football clubs in Westmeath draw players from a huge radius. Not fair but same clubs still do it.
Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 1486 - 18/11/2022 20:42:53
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Replying To Whammo86: "I think it can work both ways though.
Smaller clubs could get players from stronger clubs that can't quite make the senior panel but don't want to play reserve or lower teams.
My old club also had a situation where they were able to bring through a successful team with a number of players who got permission as juveniles to play outside their parish club. Those players wouldn't get that permission today because the previously small club were able to pass out the previously stronger club from the larger parish." But....wouldn't there be a severe danger that these smaller clubs would lose their own stronger players to be bigger and more successful clubs? And have to replace them with players who are not as strong, who come to them in the other direction?
For example, Dr Crokes in Killarney could take David Clifford from Fossa (just out the road). Heading in the other direction would be Big Johnny, currently struggling for his place on the Crokes third team.
Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2239 - 19/11/2022 10:18:53
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Replying To thelongridge: "Tullamore GAA have proposed a motion for discussion at the Offaly Convention, proposing a change to the existing parish rule. The motion if passed, would allow a player join a club other than where they currently reside, if they 'qualify by having other Relevant Connection, with a catchment area, through strong family connection, I.e parents or guardians. The Offaly CCC, would have to be satisfied that the relevant connection applies to the area other than the player's current address.
It has provoked a discussion in local media, particularly on the term' strong family connection'. Clubs bordering Tullamore will be interested in the proposed motion, as will other Offaly clubs.
Tullamore's greater urban area, would include the catchment area of other neighbouring clubs. The issue will engender plenty of debate/ discussion at Convention, and in the preceding few weeks." I think that's an excellent idea from Offaly County Board.
The idea of a 'family club' is ingrained in Dublin GAA for decades. A lot of Dubs don't play for the most local club but rather for the club they have the biggest connection with. That connection is usually family but could also be the school they went to or even just the club that they have friends in etc.
MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13707 - 19/11/2022 11:31:53
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Replying To Jack_Sparrow: "There is no parish rule in Westmeath. You can play with whoever you want." Ye
Gaaforlife2023 (Longford) - Posts: 213 - 19/11/2022 13:25:13
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There is a difference between amalgamation and parish rule. Some clubs amalgamate to survive. Especially providing opportunity to youths. There are pros and cons I guess to parish rule. It does protect junior clubs from having their best players pilfered by senior clubs or having what I call medal hunters moving around. On the other hand is it good to keep a player out of the game because he is at odds with his local club or an adminstrator.
Parish rule seems to work for Kilkenny. There is no parish rule in Waterford. Players in the west of the county are very loyal to their clubs. If the Bennetts moved down the road to Lismore I doubt if Ballygunner would be the champions. Even in the east moving is not as prevalent as it used to be. You do have a list of transfers every year but it seems to be from junior club to junior club. In the city anyway it is difficult to know what street should be long to what club.
There seems to be way around the rule anyway. Like if you sleep at your uncle's house once a year or something like that.
It is nice to see a player stay with his club and in Waterford they now do a better job looking at the potential of junior player for county teams. They will probable have got the chance at under age first.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2658 - 19/11/2022 17:38:37
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Replying To MesAmis: "I think that's an excellent idea from Offaly County Board.
The idea of a 'family club' is ingrained in Dublin GAA for decades. A lot of Dubs don't play for the most local club but rather for the club they have the biggest connection with. That connection is usually family but could also be the school they went to or even just the club that they have friends in etc." Tullamore Club proposed the motion. It has to be approved at Convention, for the motion to apply in the Offaly championships. We should know the result next month.
thelongridge (Offaly) - Posts: 1740 - 19/11/2022 19:52:44
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Replying To Pikeman96: "But....wouldn't there be a severe danger that these smaller clubs would lose their own stronger players to be bigger and more successful clubs? And have to replace them with players who are not as strong, who come to them in the other direction?
For example, Dr Crokes in Killarney could take David Clifford from Fossa (just out the road). Heading in the other direction would be Big Johnny, currently struggling for his place on the Crokes third team." It's definitely a danger. The club I'm talking about had a history of losing their best players anyway, so it's not like it can't happen. The rule can be gotten around and clubs don't enforce a player sticking around that wants to move on.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4215 - 20/11/2022 10:24:26
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Replying To Pikeman96: "It's a growing issue all right, but with respect, I don't think the thread title properly reflects what you're asking about or suggesting.
Allowing four or five clubs from four or five different parishes to amalgamate as a district team still requires a parish rule in the first place, in order to define those four or five clubs. And I've have no objection to clubs coming together in this way, where necessary and appropriate.
But I'd be absolutely opposed to any suggestion to do away with the parish rule altogether. If you did that, so that people everywhere could basically play with whatever club they wanted, then there'd be countless clubs all over the country who wouldn't be guaranteed of anyone ever choosing to play with them at all, if they had a bigger or more successful club on their doorstep." It already happens with St. Martins sure.
ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1128 - 20/11/2022 10:50:28
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Replying To ExiledInWex: "It already happens with St. Martins sure." Already happens all over the place that people are playing with clubs where strictly speaking, they shouldn't be allowed.
Would be a different thing altogether though to change the rules to actually allow such a free-for-all everywhere.
Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2239 - 20/11/2022 14:03:32
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I'm probably in the minority here but I think should be allowed play where they want. Why restrict lads? Is the GAA the only sport that has this?
liam500 (Wicklow) - Posts: 175 - 20/11/2022 19:36:26
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