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SeanMacDiarmada (Leitrim) - Posts: 395 - 08/12/2022 21:19:15    2449903

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Replying To Rolo2010:  "Dublin v Kildare in Croke Park. I can understand Championship but surely a league fixture would have a better atmosphere at Parnell. Or is it out of use in Jan?"
All of Dublin's home games in football league in Croke Park, just shows its their home ground now, their supporters who get hyper defensive on that matter cant really deny it now.

TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1648 - 09/12/2022 10:15:17    2449917

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Replying To TerribleFootwork:  "All of Dublin's home games in football league in Croke Park, just shows its their home ground now, their supporters who get hyper defensive on that matter cant really deny it now."
I've been saying for years its our home ground, everyone can call it a national stadium if they like, but its smack bang in the middle of Dublin 3, i mean come on, you aren't separating Dublin from Croke Park and Vice versa. Like calling PUC the national stadium.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4443 - 09/12/2022 11:19:01    2449927

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In hurling anyway the league is now just a series of challenge matches. Daragh Egan has said Wexford approach will be different with their eyes on April. Do you think Davy will have any interest after what happened last year ? Limerick did not even gallop the horse last year. A shame really for the sponsors. Time really for one meaningful competition that can be achieved with more teams involved and a competitive edge start to finish.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2653 - 09/12/2022 13:19:40    2449957

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Replying To TheUsername:  "I've been saying for years its our home ground, everyone can call it a national stadium if they like, but its smack bang in the middle of Dublin 3, i mean come on, you aren't separating Dublin from Croke Park and Vice versa. Like calling PUC the national stadium."
Ye should sell Parnell Park and send the proceeds back to Croke Park so...

Square_B (Leitrim) - Posts: 843 - 09/12/2022 13:24:28    2449958

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Replying To Canuck:  "In hurling anyway the league is now just a series of challenge matches. Daragh Egan has said Wexford approach will be different with their eyes on April. Do you think Davy will have any interest after what happened last year ? Limerick did not even gallop the horse last year. A shame really for the sponsors. Time really for one meaningful competition that can be achieved with more teams involved and a competitive edge start to finish."
They absorbed the League into the championship already when they started the Round Robins. Maybe they should get rid of them and have the League as the League and have a proper Championship.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11683 - 09/12/2022 13:34:30    2449961

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Replying To Square_B:  "Ye should sell Parnell Park and send the proceeds back to Croke Park so..."
Nah thats where we keep the Vault.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4443 - 09/12/2022 14:42:25    2449969

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Replying To TheUsername:  "I've been saying for years its our home ground, everyone can call it a national stadium if they like, but its smack bang in the middle of Dublin 3, i mean come on, you aren't separating Dublin from Croke Park and Vice versa. Like calling PUC the national stadium."
Thats silly logic really that's like saying Wembley is the home stadium of Arsenal, Chelsea, Spurs etc. Reason i made that remark is that you'd see silly comments on Twitter with some supporters claiming Parnell Park is their home ground even though only 1 league or championship game involving Dublin has been played there since 2011 and that was behind closed doors during Covid. Parnell Park is definitely the Dublin hurlers home ground just to clarify.

TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1648 - 09/12/2022 15:28:04    2449975

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Replying To TerribleFootwork:  "Thats silly logic really that's like saying Wembley is the home stadium of Arsenal, Chelsea, Spurs etc. Reason i made that remark is that you'd see silly comments on Twitter with some supporters claiming Parnell Park is their home ground even though only 1 league or championship game involving Dublin has been played there since 2011 and that was behind closed doors during Covid. Parnell Park is definitely the Dublin hurlers home ground just to clarify."
I'm just agreeing with the point you made above.

You are right, spot in in-fact! if you're playing Dublin - anywhere in Dublin, you're playing away. It's pretty simple, the ground is in Dublin, it's iconic and familiar to all that dwell there, it's part of the City, it's part of our Skyline, senior footballers play all their games there, as a community we have all played there coming up,, or kicked a ball up against it on smoggy nights, most recently we have protected our community in it, we teach in it, we have occasions in it, millions of Dubs pass it every year, it's part of our Community. It's Dublins.

I'm fine with lads believing it's a national stadium, I'm fine with other teams playing in it, it's a great ground and that experience should be shared nationally. I see counties visiting, coming and going, we remain. Most counties want to beat Dublin in Croke Park, or kick a point in front of the hill Vs Dublin, says it all really.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4443 - 09/12/2022 19:42:16    2450000

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Replying To TheUsername:  "I'm just agreeing with the point you made above.

You are right, spot in in-fact! if you're playing Dublin - anywhere in Dublin, you're playing away. It's pretty simple, the ground is in Dublin, it's iconic and familiar to all that dwell there, it's part of the City, it's part of our Skyline, senior footballers play all their games there, as a community we have all played there coming up,, or kicked a ball up against it on smoggy nights, most recently we have protected our community in it, we teach in it, we have occasions in it, millions of Dubs pass it every year, it's part of our Community. It's Dublins.

I'm fine with lads believing it's a national stadium, I'm fine with other teams playing in it, it's a great ground and that experience should be shared nationally. I see counties visiting, coming and going, we remain. Most counties want to beat Dublin in Croke Park, or kick a point in front of the hill Vs Dublin, says it all really."
I think it's both to be honest.

However, historically playing the Dublin hurlers there has felt like as much of a home game to us.

When I was growing up we played basically all of our championship games there.

The football is a totally different story.

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 2623 - 10/12/2022 08:42:19    2450006

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Replying To TheUsername:  "I'm just agreeing with the point you made above.

You are right, spot in in-fact! if you're playing Dublin - anywhere in Dublin, you're playing away. It's pretty simple, the ground is in Dublin, it's iconic and familiar to all that dwell there, it's part of the City, it's part of our Skyline, senior footballers play all their games there, as a community we have all played there coming up,, or kicked a ball up against it on smoggy nights, most recently we have protected our community in it, we teach in it, we have occasions in it, millions of Dubs pass it every year, it's part of our Community. It's Dublins.

I'm fine with lads believing it's a national stadium, I'm fine with other teams playing in it, it's a great ground and that experience should be shared nationally. I see counties visiting, coming and going, we remain. Most counties want to beat Dublin in Croke Park, or kick a point in front of the hill Vs Dublin, says it all really."
Well why did we all pay for it so?

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11683 - 10/12/2022 09:32:02    2450011

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Replying To TheUsername:  "I'm just agreeing with the point you made above.

You are right, spot in in-fact! if you're playing Dublin - anywhere in Dublin, you're playing away. It's pretty simple, the ground is in Dublin, it's iconic and familiar to all that dwell there, it's part of the City, it's part of our Skyline, senior footballers play all their games there, as a community we have all played there coming up,, or kicked a ball up against it on smoggy nights, most recently we have protected our community in it, we teach in it, we have occasions in it, millions of Dubs pass it every year, it's part of our Community. It's Dublins.

I'm fine with lads believing it's a national stadium, I'm fine with other teams playing in it, it's a great ground and that experience should be shared nationally. I see counties visiting, coming and going, we remain. Most counties want to beat Dublin in Croke Park, or kick a point in front of the hill Vs Dublin, says it all really."
A national stadium shouldn't be Dublin's home ground especially this year in the manner it has since 2011. I understand the rationale of playing a league game vs Kerry and there's an attendance of 30-40k,i suspect division 2 games vs Louth and Clare will be slightly different, just shows Dublin management are exploiting the situation and getting new players familiar with the environment before more important games later in the year.

TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1648 - 10/12/2022 10:22:21    2450016

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Replying To TerribleFootwork:  "A national stadium shouldn't be Dublin's home ground especially this year in the manner it has since 2011. I understand the rationale of playing a league game vs Kerry and there's an attendance of 30-40k,i suspect division 2 games vs Louth and Clare will be slightly different, just shows Dublin management are exploiting the situation and getting new players familiar with the environment before more important games later in the year."
You were mocking Dubs yesterday, for not acknowledging it was their home ground now you are saying it's not and it's a national stadium. You can't have it every way and sharpen your axe on both sides. You're contradicting yourself really.

Every ground in he country is a national stadium, they are owned by the GAA ultimately, county boards and provincial councils are just ultimately sub groups of the GAA umbrella. There are no home ground really, the GAA just let counties play there.

Most counties play in their counties biggest ground and like to call it home, it's not really they play their at the desecration if the GAA, Dublin is no different, Croke Park is the biggest stadium in our County as such and for the reasons I've said, it's Dublins home ground in the way other counties think the ground in their counties are theirs and their home ground.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4443 - 10/12/2022 12:32:09    2450024

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "I think it's both to be honest.

However, historically playing the Dublin hurlers there has felt like as much of a home game to us.

When I was growing up we played basically all of our championship games there.

The football is a totally different story."
It's a good point a Chara, if we accept it's our home ground, it has pros and cons, the familiarity admittedly and when successful it's great, but then thinking back to the 90s and 00s, when you aren't successful it can be confidence draining when your getting thumped like say the startled earwig game.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4443 - 10/12/2022 12:36:52    2450025

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Replying To Viking66:  "Well why did we all pay for it so?"
To play Gaelic Games there, which happens, mission achieved ……Wexford and many counties have had great days out there and I'd like to think we're welcoming hosts to visitors visiting the City and county.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4443 - 10/12/2022 12:44:27    2450027

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Replying To TheUsername:  "You were mocking Dubs yesterday, for not acknowledging it was their home ground now you are saying it's not and it's a national stadium. You can't have it every way and sharpen your axe on both sides. You're contradicting yourself really.

Every ground in he country is a national stadium, they are owned by the GAA ultimately, county boards and provincial councils are just ultimately sub groups of the GAA umbrella. There are no home ground really, the GAA just let counties play there.

Most counties play in their counties biggest ground and like to call it home, it's not really they play their at the desecration if the GAA, Dublin is no different, Croke Park is the biggest stadium in our County as such and for the reasons I've said, it's Dublins home ground in the way other counties think the ground in their counties are theirs and their home ground."
Officially its not Dublins home ground but in reality it's been the Dublin footballers home ground since 2011, the supporters I mentioned are those who try to dismiss that reality, its not confusing.

TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1648 - 10/12/2022 12:53:32    2450028

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Replying To TerribleFootwork:  "Officially its not Dublins home ground but in reality it's been the Dublin footballers home ground since 2011, the supporters I mentioned are those who try to dismiss that reality, its not confusing."
Officially? What is that. Was there ever a GAA congress that named Wexford Park, Wexford home ground or any other county ground for any other county. It's custom and habit, just to call it home.

All grounds are owned by the GAA, there is no difference in ownership between Wexford Park and Croke Park, so whatever right Wexford have to play in Wexford Park and call it home the exact same right exists for Dublin.

The GAA can decide in the morning, not to let Wexford play in Wexford Park even if drawn at home in the Championship and just move yee to say Post Loais - that's happened to Carlow, Westmeath and Laois were moved to Nowlan.

We've played there long before 2011, I was at league games in Croker in the 80s and 90s. Not sure where you are getting 2011 from……

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4443 - 10/12/2022 13:10:47    2450031

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Replying To TheUsername:  "To play Gaelic Games there, which happens, mission achieved ……Wexford and many counties have had great days out there and I'd like to think we're welcoming hosts to visitors visiting the City and county."
You are missing the point. The ground belongs to all of us because we all paid for it. A far higher percentage of the money that went into Croke Park was raised nationally than any other ground in the country. That's because its the national stadium. If it was in Wexford it would still be the national stadium. You wouldn't be guests in it you would be co-owners, as we are in Croke Park. What happened to the ground you were going to build out by the M50?

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11683 - 10/12/2022 13:57:55    2450034

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Replying To Viking66:  "You are missing the point. The ground belongs to all of us because we all paid for it. A far higher percentage of the money that went into Croke Park was raised nationally than any other ground in the country. That's because its the national stadium. If it was in Wexford it would still be the national stadium. You wouldn't be guests in it you would be co-owners, as we are in Croke Park. What happened to the ground you were going to build out by the M50?"
I've already described the ownership model of the GAA above a chara, they are all owned by the GAA and used at their discretion so their are no home grounds, or national stadiums really. Just decisions on what grounds to use. Anything else is just tradition, culture or habit.

But to use your premise, which I don't accept. If there are more taxpayers in Dublin then any other county, then does that crate a right for Dublin and that community to use the stadium more pro rata, I don't like your premise but that's the deconstruction of the logic you are proposing. Should a right for other counties to play in Croke Park be made on the tax payer contribution per county. Equality and equity are two different concepts.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4443 - 10/12/2022 16:06:54    2450054

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Replying To TheUsername:  "I've already described the ownership model of the GAA above a chara, they are all owned by the GAA and used at their discretion so their are no home grounds, or national stadiums really. Just decisions on what grounds to use. Anything else is just tradition, culture or habit.

But to use your premise, which I don't accept. If there are more taxpayers in Dublin then any other county, then does that crate a right for Dublin and that community to use the stadium more pro rata, I don't like your premise but that's the deconstruction of the logic you are proposing. Should a right for other counties to play in Croke Park be made on the tax payer contribution per county. Equality and equity are two different concepts."
Sorry lad what have taxpayers got to do with it? Many aren't even members of the GAA. Alot of money was raised by all the County Boards and invested in Croke Park over the years. Not just Dublin County Board. This was raised by GAA members like us all fundraising over the years. The GAA, not Dublin GAA, purchased the ground from Frank Dineen for £3500 in 1913. Again this money wasn't raised exclusively in Dublin but all over the country. Therefore Croke Park belongs to all of us.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11683 - 10/12/2022 17:29:30    2450067

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