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Club Names And Where They Are From

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "Different viewpoints here on how exactly to treat amalgamations/formations/extinctions/etc. over the years!

Personally, I'd say that clubs from the Castlebridge area have won titles across three centuries, rather than claiming that Shelmailers have won them. And I'd take that bit from the Rathdowney-Errill website as proof that the old Rathdowney and the current Rathdowney-Errill are two different outfits, rather than one and the same.

Safest thing might be just to say that clubs represening Castlebridge and clubs representing Rathdowney have won titles in three centuries :)"
"Over the next fifty years our club, under various names, such as the Emmets, the Redmonds, and of course the famous Sally Beachers, enjoyed a golden age, winning thirteen senior hurling titles and one senior football. We represented Wexford in the All-Ireland championship five times, in the days when the county was represented by the champion club. Our finest hour was in glorious 1910, when Wexford, represented by Castlebridge, won its first All-Ireland senior hurling title, beating Limerick. Our parish had eleven representatives on the 1918 Wexford All-Ireland hurling team and we continued winning senior hurling titles through the 1930s."
Shelmaliers are claiming those titles anyway!!!

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15700 - 17/11/2022 17:02:45    2447959

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "Rathdowney, Errill and Rathdowney-Errill are 3 different clubs.
In 1938, Errill beat Rathdowney in the Laios SHC. Is that a win or a runner-up place on the roll of honour? It can't be both."
The 2 clubs merged. So yes the club supplied both sides to that final. It's happened a few times over the years. I belong to a club whose 2 parts met in a senior football championship game back in the 40s or 50s. Its fairly usual for clubs to claim, and be awarded, the titles won by their constituent parts. Even more unusual was the 1896 senior wexford football final when St Patrick's from Wexford Town beat their 2nds in the final.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15700 - 17/11/2022 18:14:05    2447967

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "Rathdowney, Errill and Rathdowney-Errill are 3 different clubs.
In 1938, Errill beat Rathdowney in the Laios SHC. Is that a win or a runner-up place on the roll of honour? It can't be both."
In your own county Graigue-Ballycallan are deemed to have won 3 Kilkenny Senior Hurling titles. But the win in 1949 was actually won by Graigue.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15700 - 17/11/2022 18:21:48    2447969

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Replying To rhudson:  "Great stuff lads keep it up
By the way is there any Club in Clones
Never heard of one
Well known venue and town"
Always been a club in Clones, normally play junior or intermediate, had a few County players most recently Felix Kelly and back in the nineties Ciaran Murray

cockneyrebel (UK) - Posts: 4 - 17/11/2022 18:42:48    2447972

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Replying To Viking66:  "How so? It states very clearly that the Rathdowney and Errill clubs merged first at underage then at adult?"
Exactly my point!

First there was one club called Rathdowney, and a second club called Errill. Then they merged to form a new club, called Rathdowney-Errill. The new club obviously has ingredients of both former clubs, but it's still a new club.

Look...put blue and yellow together, and you get green. Would you argue that green is the same colour as blue?

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2856 - 17/11/2022 18:55:27    2447974

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Replying To Viking66:  "The 2 clubs merged. So yes the club supplied both sides to that final. It's happened a few times over the years. I belong to a club whose 2 parts met in a senior football championship game back in the 40s or 50s. Its fairly usual for clubs to claim, and be awarded, the titles won by their constituent parts. Even more unusual was the 1896 senior wexford football final when St Patrick's from Wexford Town beat their 2nds in the final."
And likewise, I'd maintain that the Taghmon-Camross club of today is a different club to either the Taghmon St. Munn's club or the Camross club that formerly operated. The current club grew out of the two former clubs all right, but in my opinion, it's still a different club.

Anyway, might just have to agree to differ on this one.

Side issue....and asking out of pure curiosity and divilment....to which modern-day club would you award the Wexford Senior Hurling titles won by Shamrocks in 1964 and 1969?

In case you're unaware, that's a very loaded question for a few members of the older generation around Enniscorthy.....

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2856 - 17/11/2022 21:10:13    2447987

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "Exactly my point!

First there was one club called Rathdowney, and a second club called Errill. Then they merged to form a new club, called Rathdowney-Errill. The new club obviously has ingredients of both former clubs, but it's still a new club.

Look...put blue and yellow together, and you get green. Would you argue that green is the same colour as blue?"
That's not the issue Pikeman. If a club is formed by 2 clubs merging that club claims the titles of the 2 previous clubs. Name 1 that doesn't!!!!

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15700 - 18/11/2022 07:16:32    2447989

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "And likewise, I'd maintain that the Taghmon-Camross club of today is a different club to either the Taghmon St. Munn's club or the Camross club that formerly operated. The current club grew out of the two former clubs all right, but in my opinion, it's still a different club.

Anyway, might just have to agree to differ on this one.

Side issue....and asking out of pure curiosity and divilment....to which modern-day club would you award the Wexford Senior Hurling titles won by Shamrocks in 1964 and 1969?

In case you're unaware, that's a very loaded question for a few members of the older generation around Enniscorthy....."
Rapps

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15700 - 18/11/2022 07:16:54    2447990

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Replying To Viking66:  "Rapps"
Good answer. Fair play to you!

But as it happens, it's also a good answer to your other question. The current Rapps/Starlights club was formed in 1971 as an amalgamation of four separate clubs that were operating in the town at the time: St. Aidan's and the "old" Shamrocks in hurling, and Starlights and Enniscorthy Emmets in football.

Yet the Rapps themselves don't claim all the hurling titles won by the great St. Aidan's team of the 1950s. As far as anyone is concerned, Rapps have won just two senior hurling titles: 1978 & 2021.

Similarly, the football wing of the club doesn't claim the senior football title won by Enniscorthy Emmets in the 1940s.

Look....I'm going to agree to differ on this one anyway, even if you're not. :)

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2856 - 18/11/2022 10:31:09    2448013

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "Good answer. Fair play to you!

But as it happens, it's also a good answer to your other question. The current Rapps/Starlights club was formed in 1971 as an amalgamation of four separate clubs that were operating in the town at the time: St. Aidan's and the "old" Shamrocks in hurling, and Starlights and Enniscorthy Emmets in football.

Yet the Rapps themselves don't claim all the hurling titles won by the great St. Aidan's team of the 1950s. As far as anyone is concerned, Rapps have won just two senior hurling titles: 1978 & 2021.

Similarly, the football wing of the club doesn't claim the senior football title won by Enniscorthy Emmets in the 1940s.

Look....I'm going to agree to differ on this one anyway, even if you're not. :)"
Lol; )

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15700 - 18/11/2022 15:15:23    2448080

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "The thing with a lot of the early Dublin clubs was that they were city based and had a lot of non Dubs. My grandfather played with Commercials who were almost all Tipp men working in pubs. Likewise, Geraldines I think were Guinness workers, others like O'Tooles were closely connected to Gaelic League/IRB (Seán O'Casey hurled badly for them!)

Hurling was extinct in county since 1700s but football had survived in north county as it had in Meath so you still had a lot of parish teams there with the local place name who became clubs in 1880s. Rivalry between themselves and south Meath is timeless!"
My father played for Parnell's he from inner city, quite a few Dubs on team, but still 6 or so country men.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4953 - 08/01/2023 14:10:38    2451511

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