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Replying To Viking66:  "Shelmaliers have won Wexford senior hurling titles in 3 different centuries as Castlebridge, Sally Beachers then Shelmaliers ."
Sorry Viking I should of stating Football clubs.

Ollie2 (Louth) - Posts: 1036 - 16/11/2022 11:16:00    2447733

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "You missed one!"
In which category Barney?

Ollie2 (Louth) - Posts: 1036 - 16/11/2022 11:16:51    2447734

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Replying To Ollie2:  "Sorry Cockney I should of stating Football clubs."
No, problem Ollie, I thought/new you were talking about football, was just having a mild dig. I'm a bit touchy about things like this. Interesting stats though.

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2767 - 16/11/2022 12:12:50    2447749

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Replying To Ollie2:  "Sorry Viking I should of stating Football clubs."
Sound Ollie! Only clubs that might be able to join your list in Wexford in the future are the St John's Volunteers in Wexford and Geraldine O Hanrahans New Ross but neither are even Intermediate at the moment.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15713 - 16/11/2022 12:47:51    2447758

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Replying To Ollie2:  "In which category Barney?"
Football. Kickhams have won Dublin in three centuries. Original Kickhams amalgamated with Ballymun in 1960s but think it be fair to claim a continuity?

Interesting list.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3520 - 16/11/2022 13:12:36    2447764

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "Football. Kickhams have won Dublin in three centuries. Original Kickhams amalgamated with Ballymun in 1960s but think it be fair to claim a continuity?

Interesting list."
Barney if you look at the Dublin senior football role of honour they are listed as two different clubs. That's what I did with this list.

Ollie2 (Louth) - Posts: 1036 - 16/11/2022 14:26:04    2447780

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Replying To Viking66:  "Sound Ollie! Only clubs that might be able to join your list in Wexford in the future are the St John's Volunteers in Wexford and Geraldine O Hanrahans New Ross but neither are even Intermediate at the moment."
Viking off by hand do you know how many hurling clubs around the country that have won 3 Senior Championships in 3 Centruies?

Ollie2 (Louth) - Posts: 1036 - 16/11/2022 14:28:14    2447782

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "No, problem Ollie, I thought/new you were talking about football, was just having a mild dig. I'm a bit touchy about things like this. Interesting stats though."
Ah no worries at all Cockney.

Ollie2 (Louth) - Posts: 1036 - 16/11/2022 14:29:17    2447783

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Replying To Ollie2:  "Barney if you look at the Dublin senior football role of honour they are listed as two different clubs. That's what I did with this list."
Fair enough. They do same with Crokes I see now who amalgamated with Kilmacud around same time. A more recent amalgamation, Oliver Plunketts/Eoghan Ruadh lists Eoghan Ruadh's county titles as part of current club.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3520 - 16/11/2022 15:03:46    2447795

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Replying To Ollie2:  "Viking off by hand do you know how many hurling clubs around the country that have won 3 Senior Championships in 3 Centruies?"
Am not Viking (!), but if it's any help, happen to know myself that Coolderry have done it in Offaly.

Overall though, I'd say the number is smaller than for football. If nothing else, many counties didn't even have Senior Hurling Championships prior to 1900. Even then, they were run only intermittently in several of them.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2856 - 16/11/2022 15:28:16    2447799

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Replying To Ollie2:  "Viking off by hand do you know how many hurling clubs around the country that have won 3 Senior Championships in 3 Centruies?"
Faughs just missed out in Dublin Ollie.

They won in 1890s and a good few times in 1900s; last (ever hopefully,,, j .. :-) in 1999.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3520 - 16/11/2022 17:18:53    2447811

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Replying To Ollie2:  "Viking off by hand do you know how many hurling clubs around the country that have won 3 Senior Championships in 3 Centruies?"
Excuse me for butting in. I got the following information off Wikipedia:

Hurling clubs to win 3 Senior Championships in 3 different centuries.

Thurles Sarsfields (Tipperary)
Toomevara (Tipperary)
Clonoulty-Rossmore (Tipperary)
Blackrock (Cork)
St Finbarr's (Cork)
Tulla (Clare)
Kilmoyley (Kerry)
Ballyduff (Kerry)
Coolderry (Offaly)

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2767 - 16/11/2022 18:09:11    2447819

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "Fair enough. They do same with Crokes I see now who amalgamated with Kilmacud around same time. A more recent amalgamation, Oliver Plunketts/Eoghan Ruadh lists Eoghan Ruadh's county titles as part of current club."
I think that's fair. If 2 clubs merge, or a club folds and all or most of the players form another, I think it's fair that that club claim the titles.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15713 - 16/11/2022 18:20:38    2447821

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "Excuse me for butting in. I got the following information off Wikipedia:

Hurling clubs to win 3 Senior Championships in 3 different centuries.

Thurles Sarsfields (Tipperary)
Toomevara (Tipperary)
Clonoulty-Rossmore (Tipperary)
Blackrock (Cork)
St Finbarr's (Cork)
Tulla (Clare)
Kilmoyley (Kerry)
Ballyduff (Kerry)
Coolderry (Offaly)"
Rathdowney in Laois
Shelmaliers in Wexford

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15713 - 17/11/2022 07:20:48    2447854

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Replying To Viking66:  "Rathdowney in Laois
Shelmaliers in Wexford"
Rathdowney and Rathdowney-Errill are two different clubs.

Shelmaliers is an interesting one, playing under various names since it was founded. But, the official Wexford GAA site's Championship Roll of Honour lists the teams separately. From what I can see, the early history of GAA hurling in Wexford seems to be murky. Can you name the years that Shelmaliers (under other names) won the SHC in the 19th and 20th centuries?

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2767 - 17/11/2022 14:30:13    2447929

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "Rathdowney and Rathdowney-Errill are two different clubs.

Shelmaliers is an interesting one, playing under various names since it was founded. But, the official Wexford GAA site's Championship Roll of Honour lists the teams separately. From what I can see, the early history of GAA hurling in Wexford seems to be murky. Can you name the years that Shelmaliers (under other names) won the SHC in the 19th and 20th centuries?"
As Castlebridge they won in 1895, 1896 as Castlebridge/Crosstown, 1904, 1907, 1908, 1909, 1911 as Screen/Castlebridge, 1918, 1928 as Castlebridge Sally Beachers, 1930 as Sally Beachers, and as Shelmaliers they won it in 2014 and 2020. All this from books not Google.
And as regards Rathdowney-Errill (from their own website)-
"Rathdowney Errill GAA History

Prior to the foundation of the Errill GAA Club in 1928, players from Errill and surrounding areas played their hurling with Rathdowney. In the 1970s and 1980s, both Rathdowney and Errill joined forces at Minor and Under 21 level, competing in eight minor finals, including seven in a row from 1976 to 1982. This amalgamation proved successful winning a total of five Laois Minor Hurling Championship titles, including a four in a row 1976-1979. At Under 21 level success was achieved as 'St Kierans' in 1980 and under the Rathdowney/Errill banner in 1985.

Tentative suggestions were made in 1999 about a possible merger of the clubs. At the time these discussions did not reach any agreement, but in 2002 the juvenile sections of both clubs decided to come together and since then they have been successful.

With the smooth running of juvenile affairs taking place in the parish, the suggestion of joining together to become a strong Senior Club was once again raised in January 2005. Both adult clubs held simultaneous meetings on Friday evening 4 February 2005 to discuss a possible merger. Over three quarters of the members in both clubs voted to amalgamate."

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15713 - 17/11/2022 15:17:53    2447939

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Different viewpoints here on how exactly to treat amalgamations/formations/extinctions/etc. over the years!

Personally, I'd say that clubs from the Castlebridge area have won titles across three centuries, rather than claiming that Shelmailers have won them. And I'd take that bit from the Rathdowney-Errill website as proof that the old Rathdowney and the current Rathdowney-Errill are two different outfits, rather than one and the same.

Safest thing might be just to say that clubs represening Castlebridge and clubs representing Rathdowney have won titles in three centuries :)

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2856 - 17/11/2022 16:00:24    2447950

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Replying To Viking66:  "As Castlebridge they won in 1895, 1896 as Castlebridge/Crosstown, 1904, 1907, 1908, 1909, 1911 as Screen/Castlebridge, 1918, 1928 as Castlebridge Sally Beachers, 1930 as Sally Beachers, and as Shelmaliers they won it in 2014 and 2020. All this from books not Google.
And as regards Rathdowney-Errill (from their own website)-
"Rathdowney Errill GAA History

Prior to the foundation of the Errill GAA Club in 1928, players from Errill and surrounding areas played their hurling with Rathdowney. In the 1970s and 1980s, both Rathdowney and Errill joined forces at Minor and Under 21 level, competing in eight minor finals, including seven in a row from 1976 to 1982. This amalgamation proved successful winning a total of five Laois Minor Hurling Championship titles, including a four in a row 1976-1979. At Under 21 level success was achieved as 'St Kierans' in 1980 and under the Rathdowney/Errill banner in 1985.

Tentative suggestions were made in 1999 about a possible merger of the clubs. At the time these discussions did not reach any agreement, but in 2002 the juvenile sections of both clubs decided to come together and since then they have been successful.

With the smooth running of juvenile affairs taking place in the parish, the suggestion of joining together to become a strong Senior Club was once again raised in January 2005. Both adult clubs held simultaneous meetings on Friday evening 4 February 2005 to discuss a possible merger. Over three quarters of the members in both clubs voted to amalgamate.""
Rathdowney, Errill and Rathdowney-Errill are 3 different clubs.
In 1938, Errill beat Rathdowney in the Laios SHC. Is that a win or a runner-up place on the roll of honour? It can't be both.

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2767 - 17/11/2022 16:49:50    2447954

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "Different viewpoints here on how exactly to treat amalgamations/formations/extinctions/etc. over the years!

Personally, I'd say that clubs from the Castlebridge area have won titles across three centuries, rather than claiming that Shelmailers have won them. And I'd take that bit from the Rathdowney-Errill website as proof that the old Rathdowney and the current Rathdowney-Errill are two different outfits, rather than one and the same.

Safest thing might be just to say that clubs represening Castlebridge and clubs representing Rathdowney have won titles in three centuries :)"
How so? It states very clearly that the Rathdowney and Errill clubs merged first at underage then at adult?

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15713 - 17/11/2022 16:51:46    2447955

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "Different viewpoints here on how exactly to treat amalgamations/formations/extinctions/etc. over the years!

Personally, I'd say that clubs from the Castlebridge area have won titles across three centuries, rather than claiming that Shelmailers have won them. And I'd take that bit from the Rathdowney-Errill website as proof that the old Rathdowney and the current Rathdowney-Errill are two different outfits, rather than one and the same.

Safest thing might be just to say that clubs represening Castlebridge and clubs representing Rathdowney have won titles in three centuries :)"
As regards shels it was players from the Castlebridge club that renamed themselves as the Sally Beachers club. And players from the Sally Beachers club renamed themselves as the Shelmaliers. I agree that if there was no continuity between the clubs only the area they were from then you could say that players from that parish won titles in 3 different centuries.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15713 - 17/11/2022 17:00:33    2447958

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