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Replying To oneoff:  "Jim Greene won an All Star in 1982 when Waterford qualified for the Munster final.

This is another one of these things people seem to be hung up on. What difference would it make if the name was changed?"
I can assure you he did not get it for the beaten we took in the Munster final. Other than that he played one championship game.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2858 - 31/10/2022 13:57:52    2446037

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Replying To Pope_Benedict:  "Joe Cooney was a glaring omission from a Galway viewpoint. Clare getting 3, after soiling themselves v Kk, would be my big questionmark. Looking at Sheedy and Dalo 'in the parlour' at the all-stars, the munster final '22 HYPE won't die away anytime soon. Hegarty and Kelly memory of the year was going from the bus to the dressingrooms that day!!!!! Any wonder the hype surrounding this game escalated way out of reality, and remarkably hasn't been historically reassessed after Clare's 'no show' at the all-ireland semi final."
Clare shouldn't have got three. Didn't win Munster and thrashed by Kilkenny in the All Ireland semi final. The big omission is Sean Finn. Must have been tight between him and Mikey Butler. Finn can feel disappointed.

endgame (Roscommon) - Posts: 2289 - 31/10/2022 14:19:34    2446041

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Replying To endgame:  "Clare shouldn't have got three. Didn't win Munster and thrashed by Kilkenny in the All Ireland semi final. The big omission is Sean Finn. Must have been tight between him and Mikey Butler. Finn can feel disappointed."
Doesnt really matter if they were beaten as it's an individual award. I think Diarmuid Ryan was robbed. I thought he should have been in before Mannion but imo SOD wasnt worthy of one this year.
Tom Monaghan and Joseph Cooney were Galways best players and I had both in my team, I think.

I'm not sure people realise that Finn conceded a hell of a lot more scores this year than Butler. It was no contest for me especially given Nash was so close to HOTY in the other corner.

Glad to see the selectors woke up this year and gave Quaid the goalkeeper spot. I've seen worse teams picked but def a few unlucky.

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 01/11/2022 14:05:29    2446119

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Replying To Pope_Benedict:  "Joe Cooney was a glaring omission from a Galway viewpoint. Clare getting 3, after soiling themselves v Kk, would be my big questionmark. Looking at Sheedy and Dalo 'in the parlour' at the all-stars, the munster final '22 HYPE won't die away anytime soon. Hegarty and Kelly memory of the year was going from the bus to the dressingrooms that day!!!!! Any wonder the hype surrounding this game escalated way out of reality, and remarkably hasn't been historically reassessed after Clare's 'no show' at the all-ireland semi final."
Spot on on Cooney but I knew someone here would bring up the Munster hype! I actually wonder why it seems to irk people so much. It really gets under the skin. I have absolutely no love for either county but I can appreciate a good game of hurling. It had so much....the highlight for me was Kelly hook on Hegarty...turned the ball over and put it over the bar from out on the wing.
I suppose we are all entitled to our own opinions. For example the Canning score in 2017 really irked me in terms of the hype around it. He had an awful game that day but got hurler of the year from a weak Tipp clearance and a point from 50 yards... ;-)

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 01/11/2022 14:13:33    2446121

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Replying To tiobraid:  "Doesnt really matter if they were beaten as it's an individual award. I think Diarmuid Ryan was robbed. I thought he should have been in before Mannion but imo SOD wasnt worthy of one this year.
Tom Monaghan and Joseph Cooney were Galways best players and I had both in my team, I think.

I'm not sure people realise that Finn conceded a hell of a lot more scores this year than Butler. It was no contest for me especially given Nash was so close to HOTY in the other corner.

Glad to see the selectors woke up this year and gave Quaid the goalkeeper spot. I've seen worse teams picked but def a few unlucky."
I actually don't know what more Joe Cooney could do tbh. He was nearly the best lad on the pitch no matter where he plyed this year. If ever there was a player who went about his business quietly it's Joe Cooney. I think 1 Clare lad was probably fair given how poor they turned out for a finish in the bigger games after the munster final. On the balance of the 3 close ig games Limerick had this year, the galway one was probably the closest they came to actually loosing or looked in real bother so dont get the Clare lads had enough credit got before the hammering they took by Kilkenny and proably Wexford will look this year as missed chnace to get to a final, if you had offered Clare and Kilkenny as their route to a final theyd have taken it, look back on that Clare game with major regrets. It was by no means the most controversial all star team ever but still a few big omissions or surprise inclusions.

Throughthemidfieldhewasstormin (Wexford) - Posts: 274 - 01/11/2022 16:03:44    2446140

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Any lad who thinks Joe Canning was awful in that game is really showing a total ignorance of hurling.

Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 1848 - 01/11/2022 18:12:50    2446151

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Replying To Claretandblue:  "Any lad who thinks Joe Canning was awful in that game is really showing a total ignorance of hurling."
I met a well known club mate of his at half time and he said "Joe is having a very poor game"
I'll leave it at that because there's no point in arguing with you

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 02/11/2022 07:43:17    2446178

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Replying To tiobraid:  "I met a well known club mate of his at half time and he said "Joe is having a very poor game"
I'll leave it at that because there's no point in arguing with you"
I've been meeting lads like that for years no matter what joe did was never enough even last Sunday in ballinasloe he kept portumna in the game having just arrived home from the USA there were still EXPERTS saying he had a poor game

minor77 (Galway) - Posts: 233 - 02/11/2022 09:54:09    2446185

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Replying To tiobraid:  "I met a well known club mate of his at half time and he said "Joe is having a very poor game"
I'll leave it at that because there's no point in arguing with you"
He did have a poor first half but when it mattered most he came good, scored the last 5 points in that game. Still had a bigger impact on the game for a finish than anyone else. Those trilogy of semi finals between tipp and galway were as good a trilogy of games as there's ever been in hurling. 1 point wins in the 3 games. Such a pity they didn't get to play each other in a final one of those years. Easily the best game of the year in those 3 years. Epic games, always love watching galway tipp games, nearly an epic game every time no matter how poorly or well either is going.

Throughthemidfieldhewasstormin (Wexford) - Posts: 274 - 02/11/2022 10:03:20    2446186

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Replying To tiobraid:  "I met a well known club mate of his at half time and he said "Joe is having a very poor game"
I'll leave it at that because there's no point in arguing with you"
Did you catch up with him at full-time by any chance? Joe started the game poorly and had a few misses early on. He grew into the game and a huge influence when the game was in the melting pot.
11 points overall, with 3 from play, a sideline cut, a 65 and one of the frees being a monster from well inside his own half.
If that's 'awful', god help any young lad playing for your club. Is that you Babs?

WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2158 - 02/11/2022 10:13:42    2446188

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Replying To Canuck:  "Number one I am not a bit upset or worried and definitlely not because Waterford did not get anyone named. In fact if I was using the critera now used but not stated offically, none would be merited. Neither is it about those players who are selected but of the ones not considered anymore. My opinion and everyone is entitled to an alternative one, is about the merit of the system that is used to select.
Let me educuate you a little bit about how it used to work by giving you one of many examples. When the league was 1A and 1B JIm Greene of Waterford won an All-Star playing in 1B. He was the leading scorer in all divisions that year and I assume it was in recognition of that. I also imagin it was because the championship was knockout at the time.
Fair enough but why not call it the McCarthy Cup All-Stars. Pick players for positions they played in or were named in a certain number of times. Not moving the deck chairs around to make space for someone to fit in. The system is as crocked as a dogs hind leg. I did respect the All Stars one time when it was an honour to be named the best full back or full forward in the game no matter what division or championship you played in."
If memory serves me right Liam dunne, Larry o gorman and Martin storey all got all starts in 93 for losing a league final to Cork

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3071 - 02/11/2022 10:16:35    2446189

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Replying To minor77:  "I've been meeting lads like that for years no matter what joe did was never enough even last Sunday in ballinasloe he kept portumna in the game having just arrived home from the USA there were still EXPERTS saying he had a poor game"
The club mate played with him with Galway and Portumna so you can guess yourself who that was.

I'm not running him down as a player at all and I was at the game against Sarsfields. People dont remember it but in my opinoion he was very poor in that first half and missed two easy frees and wasnt involved in general play at all in the first half.

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 02/11/2022 10:38:05    2446195

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Replying To Throughthemidfieldhewasstormin:  "He did have a poor first half but when it mattered most he came good, scored the last 5 points in that game. Still had a bigger impact on the game for a finish than anyone else. Those trilogy of semi finals between tipp and galway were as good a trilogy of games as there's ever been in hurling. 1 point wins in the 3 games. Such a pity they didn't get to play each other in a final one of those years. Easily the best game of the year in those 3 years. Epic games, always love watching galway tipp games, nearly an epic game every time no matter how poorly or well either is going."
He didnt score the last 5 points.
They were serious games alright. Both teams seems to raise their games for each other. Tipp were very poor in 2017 but pulled a performance out of nowhere. I felt that 2016 was one we should have lost and we should have won the other two. Only for Paudies unrel hook on Cooney and a bit of magic from Bubbles wed have been beaten in 2016. That was def the poorest performance and we won that day.
Even as far back as 2002 (I think) there was a great atmosphere in salthill for Tipp and Galway.

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 02/11/2022 10:43:06    2446196

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Replying To minor77:  "I've been meeting lads like that for years no matter what joe did was never enough even last Sunday in ballinasloe he kept portumna in the game having just arrived home from the USA there were still EXPERTS saying he had a poor game"
To be fair to Joe he's carried Galway on his own shoulders a lot of the time. Tis easy for gombeens on the sideline to be commenting...

Shocs07 (Limerick) - Posts: 374 - 02/11/2022 10:59:04    2446200

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Replying To WanPintWin:  "Did you catch up with him at full-time by any chance? Joe started the game poorly and had a few misses early on. He grew into the game and a huge influence when the game was in the melting pot.
11 points overall, with 3 from play, a sideline cut, a 65 and one of the frees being a monster from well inside his own half.
If that's 'awful', god help any young lad playing for your club. Is that you Babs?"
I did not see the game but I always feel with Joe that no matter how much he does it is never enough in the eyes of some. Gleeson is a little like that also. i remember for Kilkenny the great Henry not touching the ball in games but there would not be a dickie bird. However he was one the greats the same as Joe.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2858 - 03/11/2022 21:23:08    2446421

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "If memory serves me right Liam dunne, Larry o gorman and Martin storey all got all starts in 93 for losing a league final to Cork"
Memory serves you almost right. Dunne and Storey did. Laughing Larry won his sole AS in 1996.

foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 2081 - 04/11/2022 12:26:09    2446463

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "If memory serves me right Liam dunne, Larry o gorman and Martin storey all got all starts in 93 for losing a league final to Cork"
Did the lads get their all stars for the Cork trilogy or did they get them for the drawn Leinster final and replay against the eventual AI champions that year?

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13539 - 04/11/2022 12:47:09    2446469

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