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Replying To ExiledInWex: "I think a lot of the complaints about the Wexford county board are agenda driven, personal attacks with no substance.
I genuinely thought I was seeing things when people were moaning about making a big deal of the switching on of the floodlights. It was January and Wexford got 12-13k people in to the park and children were free if I remember correct? It was a lot better than the league match v Clare, that is for certain.
People complain about the jersey sales, sponsorships, etc - where does money come from?
I think everything which people perceive as a weakness of Wexford (e.g. S&C) is in progress of being acted on and results won't be seen over night but rather than rushing any appointment etc they do think before they act.
The weaknesses which next need to be addressed are schools hurling and hurling in New Ross. I am tired banging a drum but every young chap should get an opportunity to play A-level schools hurling. How that happens, well the Americans put a man on the moon once Wexford can get young lads to Ferns a couple of evenings per week.
First and foremost, Wexford need to win on Sunday and beyond that we can sort anything out." I agree and i would have been one that was previously critical of the county board.
We have issues and the vast majority of them imho come down to decisions of the clubs themselves ignoring what's best overall for the gaa in the county.
A lot of the time the county board finds its hands tied.
tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1337 - 25/05/2023 16:12:19
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I take issue with the statement that we have little between 20 and 26; we have a poor crop of 22yos, 23yos, and 24yos but the other crops are either OK, good, or promising.
26yos to have played Championship hurling for Wexford: Joe O'Connor, Shane Reck, Oisin Foley, Ian Carty
25yos: Rory O'connor, Damien Reck, Mikie Dwyer, Conor Firman, Conor Hearne, Connal Flood
24yos: Charlie McGuckin
23yos: James Lawlor, Ross Banville
22yos: Nada
Only Richie Lawlor out of the 21yos has played Senior Championship hurling but he should be a good one as should Cian Molloy and AJ Redmond
Very few 20yos are physically capable of playing Senior Championship hurling at that age. We do have a good crop here, we do actually have young talent coming through.
The 1998s were good as a crop, the 1997s were OK, it's just that the 1999s, the 2000s, and the 2001s were very poor. That's where the issue was/is.
Another thing is that it takes a while for underage structures to bear fruit. More children hurling at school cannot be a bad thing. But the time line between primary school and Senior Championship hurling is 10-15 years. And if you try to make changes at U14 development squad level/secondary school level, it'll probably take 5-10 years to see the results at Senior intercounty level
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Replying To Viking66: "When you see a lad like Matthew O Hanlon play in a club football championship game you can see how much he puts into, and gets out of, it. He doesn't just go through the motions. And like every dual player, that has expressed an opinion on the subject, he is firmly behind the split season as it is. He said as much in an interview after a game on the Wexford TV. And even for the few lads who don't play football it has its benefits. Shane and Damien Reck were able to get a longer spell of travelling in because of it, and didn't have to miss too much intercounty training. Imagine if their club hurling games were spread out til October? They might have decided to take this year off altogether." Viking you are a good man on the stats so correct me here if I have this wrong, in 2019 we were potential AI Champs and we had about 2/3s of that team out against Westmeath the other day. All those players and subs and for that matter anyone on the panel play more hurling for the county team than they ever do for the club but yet the Club Championship is to blame for the problems. Most lads in the U20s are perhaps playing 3rd level hurling then county u20 which for us only just ended so generally that is from Oct to May they ma y also have been playing hurling but the club Championship is the problem. The club championship is what it says on the tin, for the club players which are 90% of the players, its not and should not be designed for county players who play the game at the highest level for 3/4s of the year.
If we are not producing good hurlers the Adult Club Championship has nothing to do with it.
zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1804 - 25/05/2023 16:52:43
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Replying To wexfordwin: "From conversations I have had this week, it seems there is very good work happening to improve things. Unfortunately that will get lost in the hysteria of our current situation. I was told by someone who would know hurling inside out that the changes set to happen at co board at the end of the year could have a very negative effect." That would be heartbreaking, I cautioned earlier in the week about people calling for heads. The last 2 chairs have been overall quietly efficient people rather than politicians or BS merchants. Go back a few years finances were in shambles, politics was the order of the day. Look at Offlay, Diegnan didn't become Offlay manager - why? Because he and others realised that you need to control the levels of power if you are to make real change. IF Michael Martin steps down as the mob want and as seems probably given his interview on SE Radio recently the hand over is CRITICAL. I'd prefer to Adrian Fenlon as Co Chairman rather than County Manager. As was said about Kileknny the most influential man in Kilkenny's rise to dominance wasn't Brian Cody, it was Ned Quinn their county chairman. Get this wrong and it back to the stone age for us.
wexford2012 (Wexford) - Posts: 55 - 25/05/2023 17:03:53
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Replying To Viking66: "What changes might these being? I'm not someone who knows hurling inside out but from the outside looking in I don't have any real complaints about the Board. Wexford GAA seem to have been run well compared to other counties off the pitch. OK the appointment of Darragh Egan hasn't worked out, but just how much of what happens on the pitch can the Board influence apart from the appointments of managers? The Centre of Excellence looks a good facility from my only visit to it for the challenge game against Waterford, albeit one that needs further work. And we aren't in huge debt over it. The floodlights in the Park are a much needed addition and will be brilliant come the tail end of the club championships, as well as meaning other income flows are now possible. I don't think money has been wasted, or not spent where it was needed. I know our Senior intercounty panels were well resourced. Maybe one thing I'd like to see would be more, and better, coaches going around the schools and clubs more often. But overall off the pitch I don't have too many complaints about how Wexford GAA has been run." Who are the leading contenders? Bobby Geoff?
wexford2012 (Wexford) - Posts: 55 - 25/05/2023 17:05:46
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Replying To Lockerroomboy: "Do people actually believe we can win on Sunday after that horror show last week,I can see us be beating by at least 5points?" I'm not expecting us to win as such. You can be pretty sure Kilkenny will be going all out to beat us. But I do hope we can raise our game and at least get the draw that would do us. Are you making the short trip up?
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11848 - 25/05/2023 17:08:15
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Replying To ExiledInWex: "I think a lot of the complaints about the Wexford county board are agenda driven, personal attacks with no substance.
I genuinely thought I was seeing things when people were moaning about making a big deal of the switching on of the floodlights. It was January and Wexford got 12-13k people in to the park and children were free if I remember correct? It was a lot better than the league match v Clare, that is for certain.
People complain about the jersey sales, sponsorships, etc - where does money come from?
I think everything which people perceive as a weakness of Wexford (e.g. S&C) is in progress of being acted on and results won't be seen over night but rather than rushing any appointment etc they do think before they act.
The weaknesses which next need to be addressed are schools hurling and hurling in New Ross. I am tired banging a drum but every young chap should get an opportunity to play A-level schools hurling. How that happens, well the Americans put a man on the moon once Wexford can get young lads to Ferns a couple of evenings per week.
First and foremost, Wexford need to win on Sunday and beyond that we can sort anything out." You are a font of sense bother! Thank you
wexford2012 (Wexford) - Posts: 55 - 25/05/2023 17:08:25
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I'm wondering is the fitness there really. With so many lads been injured all year. How many times is hearne hooked or blocked how many times does Mickie Dwyer run into a man fall over Dunbar can be brilliant for 3 minutes goes missing for 20 jack who I taught was very good last weekend but closes his eyes can't catch the ball Rory outstanding talent but goes missing again brilliant for 5 mins goes missing chin not fit Ryan not fit something is majorly wrong. We have only hurled well for 30 mins this year I wouldn't be surprised if kk bet us by 10 plus
Wexfordgaa (Wexford) - Posts: 260 - 25/05/2023 17:15:06
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I think there is scope for poaching to improve for sure. I've had (limited) exposure so coaching office staff but it was overall excellent - hats off to Geraldine Curtis (I think) and James Flynn, both excellent, committed, engaging.
BUT
I would like to see coaches coming into clubs regularly and doing ongoing 'train the tranier' sessions, taking a session with the objective of showcasing skills, developing club coaches over the course of the year.
Improve their talent identification process to idtifiy and develop high potential coaches, bringing them into the development squads, pairing them with more experienced coaches and encouraging them to then to disseminate their knowledge to their club colleagues. At the moment I dont think they have a database of coaches to do this.
wexford2012 (Wexford) - Posts: 55 - 25/05/2023 17:16:18
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Replying To Lockerroomboy: "Do people actually believe we can win on Sunday after that horror show last week,I can see us be beating by at least 5points?" I've thought about it some more. We will either win or lose very closely, a point or 2, or we will be hammered by at least 10 or more. Really depends on how management and players approach it. There will be a big crowd so they will have their 16th man. Nothing much else we can do for them now.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11848 - 25/05/2023 18:00:17
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Replying To Viking66: "I agree Egan has been a huge disappointment. I defended him during the League as I thought, and still think, he did the right thing blooding new players, but the way good Wexford hurlers have played well below themselves has to be his fault to a certain, even large, extent. It's his primary job to get the best out of the lads he sends out on the pitch.
Agree also Dees leadership was sorely missed the last couple of games. I'd nearly suspect it was personal at this stage.
As regards ground hurling were you at the Westmeath game?" No i was NOT at the westmeath game and i have no regrets. SO was there ground hurling in it ?
Wexpurebred (Wexford) - Posts: 205 - 25/05/2023 20:01:38
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Replying To ExiledInWex: "I think a lot of the complaints about the Wexford county board are agenda driven, personal attacks with no substance.
I genuinely thought I was seeing things when people were moaning about making a big deal of the switching on of the floodlights. It was January and Wexford got 12-13k people in to the park and children were free if I remember correct? It was a lot better than the league match v Clare, that is for certain.
People complain about the jersey sales, sponsorships, etc - where does money come from?
I think everything which people perceive as a weakness of Wexford (e.g. S&C) is in progress of being acted on and results won't be seen over night but rather than rushing any appointment etc they do think before they act.
The weaknesses which next need to be addressed are schools hurling and hurling in New Ross. I am tired banging a drum but every young chap should get an opportunity to play A-level schools hurling. How that happens, well the Americans put a man on the moon once Wexford can get young lads to Ferns a couple of evenings per week.
First and foremost, Wexford need to win on Sunday and beyond that we can sort anything out." Definitely think there's a chip on the shoulder mentality to alot of this, also there's some people who only seem happy when they're complaining, personally think Covid lockdowns accelerated alot of online toxicity not just in terms of GAA but society in general, people at home with nothing to do and to much time on their hands.
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Just listened to the Wexford hurling podcast there and one of the guests on it declared that wexford hurling shouldn't be in this position as 'we're a special county'. It's exactly this sort of living in the past nonsense that contributes to the problem. There has been nothing special about Wexford hurling for over half a century notwithstanding 1996. And we still harp back to 1996 far too regularly. Other counties move on. We bury our heads in the sands and console ourselves with the illusion that we're special.
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Replying To ElGranSenor: "I take issue with the statement that we have little between 20 and 26; we have a poor crop of 22yos, 23yos, and 24yos but the other crops are either OK, good, or promising.
26yos to have played Championship hurling for Wexford: Joe O'Connor, Shane Reck, Oisin Foley, Ian Carty
25yos: Rory O'connor, Damien Reck, Mikie Dwyer, Conor Firman, Conor Hearne, Connal Flood
24yos: Charlie McGuckin
23yos: James Lawlor, Ross Banville
22yos: Nada
Only Richie Lawlor out of the 21yos has played Senior Championship hurling but he should be a good one as should Cian Molloy and AJ Redmond
Very few 20yos are physically capable of playing Senior Championship hurling at that age. We do have a good crop here, we do actually have young talent coming through.
The 1998s were good as a crop, the 1997s were OK, it's just that the 1999s, the 2000s, and the 2001s were very poor. That's where the issue was/is.
Another thing is that it takes a while for underage structures to bear fruit. More children hurling at school cannot be a bad thing. But the time line between primary school and Senior Championship hurling is 10-15 years. And if you try to make changes at U14 development squad level/secondary school level, it'll probably take 5-10 years to see the results at Senior intercounty level" Don't think you have all the ages right but the 25/26 group you name has some good hurlers in it. Add in slightly older lads,27-28, like Kevin Foley, Ryan, Mac, Jacko, Dunbar, Donohue, Devitt you have the nucleus of a good team in and for the next few of years.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11848 - 26/05/2023 09:44:55
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Replying To zinny: "Viking you are a good man on the stats so correct me here if I have this wrong, in 2019 we were potential AI Champs and we had about 2/3s of that team out against Westmeath the other day. All those players and subs and for that matter anyone on the panel play more hurling for the county team than they ever do for the club but yet the Club Championship is to blame for the problems. Most lads in the U20s are perhaps playing 3rd level hurling then county u20 which for us only just ended so generally that is from Oct to May they ma y also have been playing hurling but the club Championship is the problem. The club championship is what it says on the tin, for the club players which are 90% of the players, its not and should not be designed for county players who play the game at the highest level for 3/4s of the year.
If we are not producing good hurlers the Adult Club Championship has nothing to do with it." I'm not blaming the club championship at all. I think it's great. More entertaining than intercounty in both hurling and football the last few years. I'm just saying that counties where kids grow up either predominantly playing hurling, or predominantly playing football, are likely to better at them. And it's not just me. It's been brought up by nearly every GAA person I know from other counties.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11848 - 26/05/2023 09:48:18
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Replying To Wexpurebred: "No i was NOT at the westmeath game and i have no regrets. SO was there ground hurling in it ?" Carty played a couple of nice balls for Oisin Foley and Rory where he likely wouldn't have had time to pick it up. Jacko cut 2 sideline balls over the bar. I agree in general its coached out of kids which is a shame. And you often see lads at all levels trying to get the ball up when there just isn't space to do so, and a good ground stroke would keep the game moving faster and reduce rucks.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11848 - 26/05/2023 09:52:05
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Replying To Purpleandgold72: "Just listened to the Wexford hurling podcast there and one of the guests on it declared that wexford hurling shouldn't be in this position as 'we're a special county'. It's exactly this sort of living in the past nonsense that contributes to the problem. There has been nothing special about Wexford hurling for over half a century notwithstanding 1996. And we still harp back to 1996 far too regularly. Other counties move on. We bury our heads in the sands and console ourselves with the illusion that we're special." Posted this earlier. There is a sense of entitlement from the fans all the way up in Wexford hurling. And it's completely unjustified.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11848 - 26/05/2023 09:53:24
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Replying To TerribleFootwork: "Definitely think there's a chip on the shoulder mentality to alot of this, also there's some people who only seem happy when they're complaining, personally think Covid lockdowns accelerated alot of online toxicity not just in terms of GAA but society in general, people at home with nothing to do and to much time on their hands." Did you see the Paddy Power take on how to sort out Internet warriors on Twitter? Very funny!!!!!
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11848 - 26/05/2023 10:13:40
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Replying To ElGranSenor: "I take issue with the statement that we have little between 20 and 26; we have a poor crop of 22yos, 23yos, and 24yos but the other crops are either OK, good, or promising.
26yos to have played Championship hurling for Wexford: Joe O'Connor, Shane Reck, Oisin Foley, Ian Carty
25yos: Rory O'connor, Damien Reck, Mikie Dwyer, Conor Firman, Conor Hearne, Connal Flood
24yos: Charlie McGuckin
23yos: James Lawlor, Ross Banville
22yos: Nada
Only Richie Lawlor out of the 21yos has played Senior Championship hurling but he should be a good one as should Cian Molloy and AJ Redmond
Very few 20yos are physically capable of playing Senior Championship hurling at that age. We do have a good crop here, we do actually have young talent coming through.
The 1998s were good as a crop, the 1997s were OK, it's just that the 1999s, the 2000s, and the 2001s were very poor. That's where the issue was/is.
Another thing is that it takes a while for underage structures to bear fruit. More children hurling at school cannot be a bad thing. But the time line between primary school and Senior Championship hurling is 10-15 years. And if you try to make changes at U14 development squad level/secondary school level, it'll probably take 5-10 years to see the results at Senior intercounty level" With everyone fit and available, picking the best possible Wexford senior hurling team would include Damien Reck and Rory O'Connor as the only players aged 25. There is no one younger than this in our best 15. All of the rest of the players mentioned in 25 or below are bit part players at best.
Onfor15 (Wexford) - Posts: 524 - 26/05/2023 10:46:53
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Team named Damien Reck not available . Kevin Foley and Dee start , Dwyer and Dunbar drop out . Interesting to see Carley , Cian Byrne and Conor Foley come into the squad while Ross Banville , David Clarke and Rory Higgins drop out of the 26.
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