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If I was a cynic I'd say the draw was rigged to encourage a tweak to the system for 2024!!!"]But don't roscommon get hammered in all Ireland series also? Let's be honest here. Two teams in connacht realistically have a chance of competing with the big boys. Galway and mayo. And even they struggle. We are no hopes as are sligo. Roscommon can't stay in division one at all and can't even get a manager. thecatisbarking (Leitrim) - Posts: 8 - 17/10/2022 13:24:35 2444318 Link 0 |
Limerick could get relegated from Division 2 but sneak into another Munster final, meaning the Division 3 winner will miss out. Cavan possibly will be most concerned about that. Sligo or Leitrim getting into the All-Ireland series because of beating a fellow Division 4 county will not have the same respect as Westmeath who won the Tailteann Cup. If Sligo and Leitrim were to beat a higher league provincial rival to make the Connacht final, people will respect it. Now that the league ranking is linked to All-Ireland qualification, using league ranking for provincial draws is a logical step. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7573 - 17/10/2022 20:38:54 2444422 Link 0 |
"It highlights the madness of this provincial system as well that we're now talking about Division 4 teams going to be guaranteed a place in the Sam Maguire Cup" - Seán Cavanagh. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7573 - 23/10/2022 10:00:11 2445087 Link 1 |
I would agree with this. Seeding the provincials denies a team a chance at their day in the sun creating more division. Your league position is your true standing. If a so called bigger county finds themselves bottom of div 2, relegated to div 3 and miss out then that's on them. No ideal solution but your idea is prob one of the fairest way and everyone knows where they stand and where they need to get to. Auldleitrimgael (Leitrim) - Posts: 10 - 23/10/2022 10:49:52 2445089 Link 0 |
So if Waterford beat Kerry in the first round of the championship. Rare but has happened. Go on and win the semi final but get beaten by Cork in the Munster final there year is finished but Kerry go on because they won the league. Using a diiferent competitions to decide who advances in the All-Ireland series does not seem right.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2629 - 26/10/2022 15:32:02 2445520 Link 1 |
It is understandable that some will be critical. The league can rank teams from 1 to 32. For teams with All-Ireland ambitions, progress through the league is obviously crucial. If a team has a low league ranking but win their provincial championship, it is fully right that that is rewarded. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7573 - 28/10/2022 16:33:20 2445819 Link 0 |
Sure why bother with provincial at all so? Just have Division 1, and previous years Tailteann Cup winners plus 7 from Division 2 into the All Ireland round robin series. But don't call it an All Ireland series because not every county is competing in it no matter how faint their hopes of winning are. When the gloss fades on the Tailteann Cup in a few years and players realise the standard of football is awful compared to division 1 and 2 any talented athletes will question their intercounty commitments and either just play club or drift towards soccer, rugby or AFL. If they're going that route at least find some sort of national competition, outside of provincial, where so-called weaker counties can test themselves against a higher standard. Centenary Cup was a success back in the days before a back door championship. It's been done before, can try something again. As for 2023, no Connacht team has a divine right to play in a Connacht Final and I hope any of Sligo, Leitrim, New York or Leitrim can give them a huge test if not beat them. If you're good enough go out on the day and prove it and don't let a league position where you have a huge squad, great S&C and every refereeing decision go your way give you handy games in the province. Not a level playing field compared to so-called weaker counties. Fermanagh, Tipperary and Wexford showed, since 2001, what so called weaker counties can doo. We should be promoting football there and not blocking it.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7181 - 29/10/2022 13:39:55 2445858 Link 1 |
The provincial championships have traditionally provided the All-Ireland semi-finalists. The league has evolved into being a qualification path to the All-Ireland series as well. It is a fair qualification path. Provincial champions and qualifiers through the league is an interesting fair development. Respectful of tradition and embracing evolution.
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7573 - 29/10/2022 14:52:40 2445868 Link 0 |
To answer the thread title 'No they should not be seeded'. The traditional system is only 'fair' for stronger counties. The league should only be a qualification for the league championship.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7181 - 29/10/2022 16:13:30 2445884 Link 0 |
What annoys me about this sort of situation cropping up is that it was completely foreseeable and the GAA just didn't really care to do anything about it. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4022 - 30/10/2022 11:28:39 2445939 Link 0 |
The GAA is consistently reactionary. It's how they operate.
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7573 - 30/10/2022 17:07:25 2445972 Link 0 |
On the topic of the Division 4 teams in the Connacht championship, it's interesting to note that the five-year cycle for playing London and New York is basically two mini-cycles, a two-year one where Leitrim and Sligo play London and New York and then swap round the next year, and a three-year one where Galway, Mayo and Roscommon take turns. In those two years out of five where it's Leitrim and Sligo's turn to play the Exiles, there's a 33.3% chance they'll then be drawn to play each other in the semis (presuming they come home with wins, which didn't happen in 2012). Tacaí Liatroma (Leitrim) - Posts: 943 - 31/10/2022 21:55:54 2446080 Link 1 |
Sligo 0-11 Roscommon 0-23 legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7573 - 01/11/2022 17:57:49 2446150 Link 0 |
Sure just let them get thrashed in an earlier round in provincial so. So they'll have games playing poor standard football on Division 3 and 4, a hiding in a provincial game then a few more games in a poor standard Tailteann Cup. The winner makes it to the All Ireland series next year. How long will they last there at that level of football. Division 1 and 2 teams, higher standard of football for the league. Seeded to have more games in the province and later stages playing a higher standard of football. Regardless of provincial games most of them will be in round robin All Ireland series. Guaranteed 3 games improving their standard of football, more media coverage, easier to benefit from better sponsors for teams and the GAA One law for the rich, another one for the poor. GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7181 - 02/11/2022 12:46:00 2446225 Link 0 |
I mean it's not a poor standard for Leitrim or Sligo. There will be teams comfortably better than them in the Tailteann Cup. If not they will win it and get the higher quality games the following season. A soft route to the main competition is no good to anybody. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4022 - 02/11/2022 13:42:07 2446237 Link 0 |
It's a poor standard of football in Tailteann compared to the 'All' Ireland competition. If they won Tailteann they'd get some higher quality games the following season then back down to Tailteann if they don't get promoted to Division 2. The bigger counties have been getting soft routes to provincial finals and last 12, besides Ulster, for years because of seeding. Boo hoo for them. About time so-called weaker counties got something. This All Ireland round robin is just another GAA competition to have more games to broadcast and present it as counties having a better chance of getting to a final. How many chances do they need?
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7181 - 02/11/2022 14:24:19 2446240 Link 0 |
I think a team getting promoted to Tailteann has a great shot at staying up. I wish it was just Championship and 2 tiers each with 2 groups of 8 with no NFL but anyway I don't see a problem with teams playing at our just above their level. That's how teams improve, mismatches are a waste of time for everyone. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4022 - 02/11/2022 14:46:58 2446244 Link 1 |
Westmeath will enter the All-Ireland series next year with the respect of the country after their Tailteann Cup win. Sligo and Leitrim will not have that respect due to a soft route to a Connacht final. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7573 - 02/11/2022 19:42:19 2446277 Link 0 |