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Connacht Draw - semi-finals legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7876 - 15/10/2022 17:05:33 2444081 Link 0 |
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Problems for HQ already. Next year will likely have seeds alright. Mayo,Roscommon,Galway in the pot to play one of New York,Leitrim,Sligo,London could have sorted out that issue. Gaa_lover (USA) - Posts: 3354 - 15/10/2022 17:16:33 2444082 Link 0 |
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You completely disregarded London and New York. Could be them too
leitrim4sam (Leitrim) - Posts: 645 - 15/10/2022 17:25:14 2444085 Link 0 |
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Once you link them to the league you have to seed them. Otherwise it's not a meritocracy. Mayonman (Galway) - Posts: 1835 - 15/10/2022 17:36:02 2444090 Link 0 |
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Sligo and Leitrim, 3rd and 4th in 2022 Division 4, is a potential Connacht 2023 semi-final.
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7876 - 15/10/2022 17:54:42 2444095 Link 0 |
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dublin have a tough one least they have home advantage LOL highdropingball (Donegal) - Posts: 99 - 15/10/2022 18:12:13 2444101 Link 1 |
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Agreed. Connacht should have seeded as follows: 1. Galway, defending Connacht champions. 2. Mayo, 2nd in Division 1. 3. Roscommon, Division 2 winners. 4. Sligo, 3rd in Division 4. 5. Leitrim, 4th in Division 4. 6. London, 5th in Division 4. 7. New York, no league placing. Galway receiving a bye to the semi-finals. Mayo as second seeds would have to be on the other side of the draw. (Defending Connacht champions would only start out in the quarter-finals if it is their turn to travel to London or New York.) legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7876 - 15/10/2022 18:35:26 2444111 Link 0 |
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No. Sligo, Leitrim, New York and London were on the receiving end of heavy defeats in Connacht recently. Not good for them in the long term. This way they've a chance of reaching a provincial final and qualifying for the Sam Maguire. Remember the excitement and interest generated when London reached the Connacht Final in 2013? It means less mismatches in Connacht in the early games too. Eventually they might separate provincial championships from All Ireland series but I'm happy with it unseeded.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7364 - 15/10/2022 21:49:45 2444157 Link 1 |
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No. Sligo, Leitrim, New York and London were on the receiving end of heavy defeats in Connacht recently. Not good for them in the long term. This way they've a chance of reaching a provincial final and qualifying for the Sam Maguire. Remember the excitement and interest generated when London reached the Connacht Final in 2013? It means less mismatches in Connacht in the early games too. Eventually they might separate provincial championships from All Ireland series but I'm happy with it unseeded."]Sligo, Leitrim, NY or London will now just get hammered in a Connacht Final and likely 3 more hammerings in the Group stages. If I was a cynic I'd say the draw was rigged to encourage a tweak to the system for 2024!!! Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1441 - 16/10/2022 09:35:48 2444161 Link 0 |
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No. Sligo, Leitrim, New York and London were on the receiving end of heavy defeats in Connacht recently. Not good for them in the long term. This way they've a chance of reaching a provincial final and qualifying for the Sam Maguire. Remember the excitement and interest generated when London reached the Connacht Final in 2013? It means less mismatches in Connacht in the early games too. Eventually they might separate provincial championships from All Ireland series but I'm happy with it unseeded."]Seeding championship draws will not be a universally popular decision. Qualifying for the All-Ireland group stage should not be easy however. It is unfair on a Division 3 finalist to miss out on the All-Ireland group stage because two Division 4 teams have been given a favourable draw to get to a provincial final.
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7876 - 16/10/2022 10:09:00 2444166 Link 2 |
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No. Sligo, Leitrim, New York and London were on the receiving end of heavy defeats in Connacht recently. Not good for them in the long term. This way they've a chance of reaching a provincial final and qualifying for the Sam Maguire. Remember the excitement and interest generated when London reached the Connacht Final in 2013? It means less mismatches in Connacht in the early games too. Eventually they might separate provincial championships from All Ireland series but I'm happy with it unseeded."]Seeding championship draws will not be a universally popular decision. Qualifying for the All-Ireland group stage should not be easy however. It is unfair on a Division 3 finalist to miss out on the All-Ireland group stage because two Division 4 teams have been given a favourable draw to get to a provincial final."]It's not unfair because some counties perform better in the championship on better pitches with a better squad than in the league. It's fair if you want to split the championship into teams from top two divisions in one competition for the 'stronger' counties and one for the 'weaker' counties and widen the already increasing gap in standards between those at the top and those at the bottom.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7364 - 16/10/2022 17:34:36 2444215 Link 0 |
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No. Sligo, Leitrim, New York and London were on the receiving end of heavy defeats in Connacht recently. Not good for them in the long term. This way they've a chance of reaching a provincial final and qualifying for the Sam Maguire. Remember the excitement and interest generated when London reached the Connacht Final in 2013? It means less mismatches in Connacht in the early games too. Eventually they might separate provincial championships from All Ireland series but I'm happy with it unseeded."]Seeding championship draws will not be a universally popular decision. Qualifying for the All-Ireland group stage should not be easy however. It is unfair on a Division 3 finalist to miss out on the All-Ireland group stage because two Division 4 teams have been given a favourable draw to get to a provincial final."]It's not unfair because some counties perform better in the championship on better pitches with a better squad than in the league. It's fair if you want to split the championship into teams from top two divisions in one competition for the 'stronger' counties and one for the 'weaker' counties and widen the already increasing gap in standards between those at the top and those at the bottom.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7364 - 16/10/2022 17:34:36 2444216 Link 0 |
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No. Sligo, Leitrim, New York and London were on the receiving end of heavy defeats in Connacht recently. Not good for them in the long term. This way they've a chance of reaching a provincial final and qualifying for the Sam Maguire. Remember the excitement and interest generated when London reached the Connacht Final in 2013? It means less mismatches in Connacht in the early games too. Eventually they might separate provincial championships from All Ireland series but I'm happy with it unseeded."]Seeding championship draws will not be a universally popular decision. Qualifying for the All-Ireland group stage should not be easy however. It is unfair on a Division 3 finalist to miss out on the All-Ireland group stage because two Division 4 teams have been given a favourable draw to get to a provincial final."]It's not unfair because some counties perform better in the championship on better pitches with a better squad than in the league. It's fair if you want to split the championship into teams from top two divisions in one competition for the 'stronger' counties and one for the 'weaker' counties and widen the already increasing gap in standards between those at the top and those at the bottom. Do you want a seeded championship just to be 'fair' to a losing Division 3 finalist or one which helps the provincial prospects for all teams in the province?
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7364 - 16/10/2022 17:38:58 2444219 Link 0 |
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GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7364 - 16/10/2022 18:36:59 2444231 Link 0 |
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Sligo/Leitrim/London reaching a Connacht Final to be beaten by 10-20 points followed up by three similar beatings in the group stage of an All Ireland series will do nothing for them. One of them will not play in the competition that was designed for them while you will have a strong Division 2 team perhaps the likes of Cork/Meath/Clare missing out and playing in a competition that they are far to strong for. Sligoman1234 (Sligo) - Posts: 361 - 17/10/2022 07:47:19 2444258 Link 1 |
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Agreed. But so called weaker counties can't improve their standard of football in an annual cycle of Division 4 and 3 league games, getting hammered by a top seed team in the provincial then going back down to 4,3 standard for Tailteann Cup. Even though I think the GAA top brass would be happy with that and keep the stronger counties strong. Mightn't happen in 2023 but maybe in a few years the stronger counties won't push as much to win their provinces, fielding less than full strength teams and concentrating their efforts on the All Ireland round robin series.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7364 - 17/10/2022 10:39:05 2444279 Link 0 |
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Not sure if getting into All Ireland Round Robin will do Sligo, Leitrim, London or New York any good for their development at the moment. Round Robin in Talteann Cup would definitely help them. Mayonman (Galway) - Posts: 1835 - 17/10/2022 11:15:22 2444289 Link 0 |
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The problem here lies with provincial councils looking for clout and trying to keep championships relevant. While it is a huge honour for any Leitrim Sligo London or New York player to play in a Connacht Final. They are counties not at a developmental stage to compete in Sam Maguire. Ironically it may put players off committing to latter stages of the Championship. I believe the maybe second seeds as provincial runners up. Hopefully I will be very interested to here what Andy Moran and the other management think of the draw. It has the potential to have a very negative impact on one of the counties development. Backheel (Leitrim) - Posts: 133 - 17/10/2022 11:41:57 2444295 Link 0 |
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Apart from the Leitrim/London/Sligo/New York scenario in Connacht, all other potential provisional finalists will be from D1/2. That is seven with one from D4. Westmeath D3 are also guaranteed a spot in the AI series. This leaves seven places up for grabs. This means that all remaining D1 teams will reach the AI series with the teams who survive in D2 also qualifying. Jack L (None) - Posts: 3101 - 17/10/2022 12:07:31 2444304 Link 0 |
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Agree probably not an ideal competition but I'm sure players will want to play the highest level possible. Provincial finalists are second seeds, time will tell what Division 3 teams win promotion or Division 2 teams have a good league. It could work out one of Sligo/Leitrim/London/New York are drawn into the same group as Westmeath and Louth for example. No disrespect to those two counties who are progressing well but they would be games to compete in. Also third placed team in a group plays one of the second placed teams for a Quarter Final place. I think the provincial draw potentially opens a great opportunity but it will come down to luck of the All Ireland series draw. sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 999 - 17/10/2022 12:22:10 2444309 Link 0 |