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https://hoganstand.com/Article/Index/325348 legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7857 - 15/10/2022 09:20:47 2444022 Link 0 |
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Personally I'd be completely in favour of adding them to a province weather its Leinster or Munster, same goes for Galway champions in club championship.
TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1728 - 15/10/2022 10:55:20 2444029 Link 1 |
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Galway should have been playing in the minor championship since they joined Leinster at Senior. Not sure about Kerry as they are a Munster team. Maybe there should be a 2nd tier All Ireland Minor championship altogether with the winners playing in a preliminary QF in the AI minor championship proper? Tier 3 Leinster teams that don't get past the 1st hurdle could join this also. And if Kerry get more competitive at minor over the years they could join the Munster minor championship.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11905 - 15/10/2022 11:11:36 2444033 Link 0 |
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Think it's more than opposition to galway entering Leinster than them not wanting to, they've been a long time asking too. Lads need games, even the simple change of having a round Robin all Ireland series has helped Galway a lot the last 4 years at minor, playing 5 games to win the last 3 all Ireland they won as opposed 2/3. Think when they joined Leinster originally it was only Kilkenny that supported them at board level. Can see why Wexford, Offaly etc wouldn't want them as it makes it even harder for them to win but think the alternative is even more unfair om galway. And the old adage if you're good enough you'll win anyways. Will raise standard of Leinster a lot too, can only be good as well. Think Kerry are a different proposition. Antrim entered minor Leinster and didn't work at all but I don't know if that goes down to, antrim have always found it tough at underage, even the year they got to the u21 all Ireland final, they were only getting 7/8 to training in the weeks leading up to the semi final. Probably worth a go in Leinster all the same for Kerry.
Throughthemidfieldhewasstormin (Wexford) - Posts: 259 - 15/10/2022 11:56:21 2444039 Link 0 |
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Leinster Minor Hurling Championship; legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7857 - 15/10/2022 13:37:44 2444049 Link 1 |
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I think Kerry would be well able for Tier 2 hurling but as you say start them off in Tier 3 and if they are good enough they will make their way up to Tier 2.
Past hurler (None) - Posts: 734 - 13/12/2022 11:12:16 2450278 Link 0 |
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Think it's more than opposition to galway entering Leinster than them not wanting to, they've been a long time asking too. Lads need games, even the simple change of having a round Robin all Ireland series has helped Galway a lot the last 4 years at minor, playing 5 games to win the last 3 all Ireland they won as opposed 2/3. Think when they joined Leinster originally it was only Kilkenny that supported them at board level. Can see why Wexford, Offaly etc wouldn't want them as it makes it even harder for them to win but think the alternative is even more unfair om galway. And the old adage if you're good enough you'll win anyways. Will raise standard of Leinster a lot too, can only be good as well. Think Kerry are a different proposition. Antrim entered minor Leinster and didn't work at all but I don't know if that goes down to, antrim have always found it tough at underage, even the year they got to the u21 all Ireland final, they were only getting 7/8 to training in the weeks leading up to the semi final. Probably worth a go in Leinster all the same for Kerry."]Perso ally I've no problem with Galway being in the Leinster minor championship when they are in the Senior one and have always said this. But I don't know if it will do them as much good as they think it will. Their record at minor is excellent this millennium anyway. Their problem seems to be the pathway from there to Senior. But a small problem I have is calling something a Leinster championship whe it's not. Maybe better run a straight knockout Leinster and Munster Championship for Leinster and Munster teams. Then teams that don't make the finals enter a qualifying group or groups with Galway, 2 Ulster counties and Kerry. Top 2 out of this meet the losing Munster and Leinster finalists in a quarter final. And then the winners meet the champions in an AI Minor semi final. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11905 - 13/12/2022 13:10:31 2450298 Link 0 |
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The Kerry minor hurlers and U20 hurlers will compete in Leinster next year. At minor level it seems that Kerry will be in Tier 1, all games being played in Leinster. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7857 - 15/12/2022 16:05:59 2450504 Link 0 |
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Makes it more difficult to both not include Galway, and to maintain the pretence of their being a "Leinster" championship any more. As Dub hurling person I think it's a good move, and gives us a chance to beat them in hurling at a time when we might not at football! Seriously though, it will be interesting especially to see hope Kerry do cope with being in the top tier counties. I can see also why some of the other counties might have a problem. I remember when Antrim were take in senior there was huge annoyance in Westmeath because it was rightly regarded as at being partly at their expense. This was at a time when they'd lost senior status and been refused promotion in league after winning Division II. I'd imagine hurling people in Kildare and Meath particularly might see this as a kick in the mouth for them. On other hand it might help them by evening out the standard? Anyway, be some interesting games. BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2567 - 15/12/2022 17:51:02 2450512 Link 0 |
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Think it's more than opposition to galway entering Leinster than them not wanting to, they've been a long time asking too. Lads need games, even the simple change of having a round Robin all Ireland series has helped Galway a lot the last 4 years at minor, playing 5 games to win the last 3 all Ireland they won as opposed 2/3. Think when they joined Leinster originally it was only Kilkenny that supported them at board level. Can see why Wexford, Offaly etc wouldn't want them as it makes it even harder for them to win but think the alternative is even more unfair om galway. And the old adage if you're good enough you'll win anyways. Will raise standard of Leinster a lot too, can only be good as well. Think Kerry are a different proposition. Antrim entered minor Leinster and didn't work at all but I don't know if that goes down to, antrim have always found it tough at underage, even the year they got to the u21 all Ireland final, they were only getting 7/8 to training in the weeks leading up to the semi final. Probably worth a go in Leinster all the same for Kerry."]Perso ally I've no problem with Galway being in the Leinster minor championship when they are in the Senior one and have always said this. But I don't know if it will do them as much good as they think it will. Their record at minor is excellent this millennium anyway. Their problem seems to be the pathway from there to Senior. But a small problem I have is calling something a Leinster championship whe it's not. Maybe better run a straight knockout Leinster and Munster Championship for Leinster and Munster teams. Then teams that don't make the finals enter a qualifying group or groups with Galway, 2 Ulster counties and Kerry. Top 2 out of this meet the losing Munster and Leinster finalists in a quarter final. And then the winners meet the champions in an AI Minor semi final."]" But a small problem I have is calling something a Leinster championship when it's not. " Yes I agree. It just hi-lights the fact that the provincial system has out lived its usefulness for hurling anyway. Kerry hurling has been badly treated in Munster forever but on the other hand they were quick to sell their vote on things when they had no skin in the game. The national competition needs to be structured on a country wide basis not on a provincial one. If provinces want a provincial competition go for it. Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2660 - 15/12/2022 19:26:34 2450514 Link 0 |
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I can see the Kerry underage hurlers giving Wexford and Dublin plenty of it, didn't Kildare beat Wexford in underage recently and Kerry would be a slight level above Kildare in hurling. Looking forward to seeing how this plays out in 2023, should be some good tight matches. Past hurler (None) - Posts: 734 - 16/12/2022 09:26:49 2450530 Link 0 |
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Kildare beat us at u20 last year. This year we lost by a point to Kilkenny in the Leinster final after beating Dublin by only a point. Kilkenny then won the AI final against Limerick by just a point. Westmeath beat Kilkenny in 2016 at u21. Offaly played Laois in this year's Leinster minor final. Not much between alot of the counties underage.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11905 - 16/12/2022 10:03:48 2450531 Link 0 |
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There's not. And Offaly minors were very good last year, just pipped at the post after years of being in the doldrums. So no doubt but that the system works in lifting a lot of boats. Kerry playing the Cats and of course the Dubs in hurling will be something to see in itself, if it happens. BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2567 - 16/12/2022 11:13:14 2450538 Link 0 |
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Kildare underage are ahead of both Kerry and my own Carlow. They have the population and resources to be a force in the next decade. carlovia (None) - Posts: 1517 - 16/12/2022 11:19:21 2450542 Link 0 |
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I'm surprised Kerry are being put in Tier 1. Tier 2 would appear to be a more appropriate level. Possibly that will be the outcome for the following year. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7857 - 16/12/2022 11:44:30 2450545 Link 0 |
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Not disputing your point in general but that Wexford U20s side badly under-performed against Kildare plus they would have had very few players up to the age in 2021. I can remember watching some of those U21 Kilkenny sides versus Wexford in 2013, 2014, and 2015 and they would have been quite poor by Kilkenny's standards in all honesty. ElGranSenor (Wexford) - Posts: 258 - 16/12/2022 12:36:03 2450550 Link 0 |
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And also Naas performing well in this years Leinster Senior hurling championship is sure to give another jolt in the arm to Kildare hurling. Great to see the likes of Kildare, Kerry etc showing ambition to playing at the highest level. Past hurler (None) - Posts: 734 - 16/12/2022 13:17:25 2450551 Link 0 |
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Tier one teams unless they advance i think? So it is giving Kerry a bit of an advantage. But probably good way of testing water. They've no doubt played challenges against Leinster teams so their level be pretty well known vis-a-vis rest of teams.
BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2567 - 16/12/2022 13:23:00 2450552 Link 0 |
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Typo. Meant to say they only meet other Tier One teams if they win games against lower tier winners.
BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2567 - 16/12/2022 13:46:56 2450554 Link 0 |
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In the early to mid 70s Kildare were quite strong in hurling. Were playing in Div 1 and got to at least one Leinster semi final. Had things worked out differently it could have been them and not Offaly who made the braketough.
oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1380 - 16/12/2022 14:01:00 2450558 Link 0 |