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Late County Finals - Split Season

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Replying To tirawleybaron:  "I actually like the Kerry system, it gives all players a shot at a county senior title regardless of where they are born.
It obviously works too - the have the medals to prove it.

I would prefer if Mayo modified its own club structure to mimic Kerry's. Our current system doesnt produce senior all ireland winners at all - it works our ok for junior and intermediate all Irelands though"
I just mean that whatever about having a District/Divisional teams system, I think it's odd that they only have eight actual senior clubs.

We used to have four District teams here in Wexford (in both codes) in the 70s and early 80s, but even then, it was a case of twelve senior clubs and four District teams. Not like Kerry, where it's eight clubs, and generally eight Divisionals as well, asssuming they all participate. Would just seem to me to be more "natural" if they had 12 clubs and eight Divisionals, or even 16 clubs and the same eight Divisionals.

Basically, just seems strange that in such a strong footballing county, only eight clubs are deemed worthy of being allowed contest for the senior football championship. If you look at it a certain way, it's actually an insult to every other club - "You're not good enough to play senior by yourself. You have to join up with others".

Anyway, the District/Divisional teams system probably works well in primarily single code counties, or in counties like Cork that have a clear geographical split between the two codes. A footballer with an Intermediate club, for instance, could play in the senior championship with his Divisional team one week, and in the Intermediate championship with his club the following week.

Wouldn't work here, where 90% or more play both codes, and so are involved with their club every week in either hurling or football.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 3098 - 29/08/2025 23:10:21    2634176

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It looks like Ballygunner will have the option of two senior teams next year after winning the premium Intermediate. They have also won the minor. I don't know if this is good or bad but there is a lot of b.s.about how bad the Waterford championship is. Our representative in the club championship will be competitive again. Hurling is healthy in Waterford and so are the inter county teams. O'Connor has moved up to the U20 and Darragh Sullivan taking the minors. Queally and these guys are cut from the same cloth. Things are being done right and planned. Our guys on the same page.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 3182 - 31/08/2025 04:56:27    2634295

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Canuck how will this work if ballyg have the 2 senior team?I don't think I'm wrong when I say both could challange for senior honours..isn't much point in staying inter as they would probably win that again.Offaly are having something with kilcormac dominating in both senior and inter.

CTGAA10 (Limerick) - Posts: 2597 - 31/08/2025 12:38:16    2634322

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Replying To CTGAA10:  "Canuck how will this work if ballyg have the 2 senior team?I don't think I'm wrong when I say both could challange for senior honours..isn't much point in staying inter as they would probably win that again.Offaly are having something with kilcormac dominating in both senior and inter."
Offaly is completely different. There have been 4 different winners of their SHC in the last 10 years, and a further 2 clubs have made finals in that time.
KK haven't even won as many SHCs at St Rynaghas in that time.
Agree they look likely to be the team to beat in the next few years, some great young lads starting to break through.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 17055 - 31/08/2025 19:04:06    2634377

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Replying To CTGAA10:  "Canuck how will this work if ballyg have the 2 senior team?I don't think I'm wrong when I say both could challange for senior honours..isn't much point in staying inter as they would probably win that again.Offaly are having something with kilcormac dominating in both senior and inter."
I haven't a clue how this would work. The scare thing about it they could be the second best team with Hartley, Spain,Billy O'Keeffe club player of the year a few years, Comeford the minor keeper and a bunch of others that would make any senior team. Mount Sion and Del La Salle relying on Kirwan, Moran and players from the past. Lismore the same but look like rebuilding. Ballygunner could drop all the over 30's and still be the best team. Mount Sion did dominate in the 50's and 60's but they would put their granny on the Waterford team. They did have great players.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 3182 - 31/08/2025 20:14:29    2634393

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Replying To dickie10:  "how many counties are at quater final or semi final stage in their championships? please dont say there some counties that havent started yet? surely their cant be"
Believe it or not the Louth Senior Championship only started yesterday.

League games finished first week of August and final was played the week after it.
The good part is when your out of the Championship your season is over so no hanging around play league games but it's very late starting

Junior Championship started 2 weeks ago, Intermediate started last week

DundalkGael (Louth) - Posts: 965 - 31/08/2025 23:08:11    2634412

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"Late County Finals - Split Season"
Early semi finals - split season in Kerry anyway with the semi finals on this first weekend of September. Fossa v Kilcummin in the intermediate semi final is getting more attention despite being a "curtain raiser" for a senior semi final!

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 9183 - 05/09/2025 06:54:19    2634950

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https://hoganstand.com/Article/Index/337757

Seems a done deal that the hurling final will be the final weekend of July and the football final the second weekend of August. Sin é.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 9183 - 07/09/2025 01:20:32    2635122

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Was always a likely runner now it can be proven that all counties dont play championship in early August anyway.

Cork and Kerry can play club championship after the league, now they have a guaranteed handy draw in Munster.

tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1596 - 08/09/2025 11:46:27    2635308

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Replying To tirawleybaron:  "Was always a likely runner now it can be proven that all counties dont play championship in early August anyway.

Cork and Kerry can play club championship after the league, now they have a guaranteed handy draw in Munster."
Good few counties were playing club championship in July. Kilkenny, Dublin, Wexford, Waterford, Wicklow and Carlow were anyway off the top of my head. That's all the counties in our corner of the country. Tipp were playing early enough in August too, the 9th, and they were AI Champions.
Amazing how some lads keep trotting out the same old myths.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 17055 - 08/09/2025 14:05:18    2635337

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Guaranteeing the county champions of finalists a bye from the first round is sensible. This frees up at least one week.
If they opt to have the All Ireland club semi finals in both hurling and football on the same weekend in January, that frees up a second week.
Two weeks are freed up in total without impact on the club championship window.
The hurling final on the final weekend of July suggests the inter county season from the start of the league to hurling final could be extended by at least a week, unless they opt for club hurling and football semi finals on separate weekends in January.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 9183 - 08/09/2025 16:04:51    2635355

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The GPA seem to be suggesting the finals being later in 2027, pending Congress approval. That will mean that there won't be three weekends in a row of league games.
Currently: 1, 2, weekend off, 3, 4, 5, weekend off, 6, 7 and finals.
Potentially from 2027: 1, 2, weekend off, 3, 4, weekend off, 5, 6, weekend off, 7 and finals.
This should be beneficial for intercounty players getting to the All Ireland club finals. They'll probably target being back for round 5 of the league.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 9183 - 09/09/2025 12:54:16    2635446

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Replying To legendzxix:  "Guaranteeing the county champions of finalists a bye from the first round is sensible. This frees up at least one week.
If they opt to have the All Ireland club semi finals in both hurling and football on the same weekend in January, that frees up a second week.
Two weeks are freed up in total without impact on the club championship window.
The hurling final on the final weekend of July suggests the inter county season from the start of the league to hurling final could be extended by at least a week, unless they opt for club hurling and football semi finals on separate weekends in January."
Suppose it would depend who qualifies for the club semis. If a club qualified for a semi in both codes they'd likely have to be different weekends.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 17055 - 09/09/2025 14:22:58    2635462

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Replying To legendzxix:  "The GPA seem to be suggesting the finals being later in 2027, pending Congress approval. That will mean that there won't be three weekends in a row of league games.
Currently: 1, 2, weekend off, 3, 4, 5, weekend off, 6, 7 and finals.
Potentially from 2027: 1, 2, weekend off, 3, 4, weekend off, 5, 6, weekend off, 7 and finals.
This should be beneficial for intercounty players getting to the All Ireland club finals. They'll probably target being back for round 5 of the league."
Report in the Irish News saying the CPA may organise again if a change of dates materialises and some reports that endorsement by the GPA is subject to a vote by their members, so maybe some bridges to be crossed yet.

sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 1011 - 09/09/2025 16:16:36    2635481

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Replying To sligo joe:  "Report in the Irish News saying the CPA may organise again if a change of dates materialises and some reports that endorsement by the GPA is subject to a vote by their members, so maybe some bridges to be crossed yet."
Seems an overreaction. The bye from the first round frees up 1 weekend. All Ireland club semi finals in hurling and football on the same weekend frees up weekend 2. More streamlined and efficient. Everyone wins!!

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 9183 - 09/09/2025 17:59:59    2635491

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Replying To sligo joe:  "Report in the Irish News saying the CPA may organise again if a change of dates materialises and some reports that endorsement by the GPA is subject to a vote by their members, so maybe some bridges to be crossed yet."
Will Clubs be mandating their delegates to County Conventions to vote against this?

Seanfan (Roscommon) - Posts: 113 - 09/09/2025 19:17:44    2635499

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Replying To legendzxix:  "The GPA seem to be suggesting the finals being later in 2027, pending Congress approval. That will mean that there won't be three weekends in a row of league games.
Currently: 1, 2, weekend off, 3, 4, 5, weekend off, 6, 7 and finals.
Potentially from 2027: 1, 2, weekend off, 3, 4, weekend off, 5, 6, weekend off, 7 and finals.
This should be beneficial for intercounty players getting to the All Ireland club finals. They'll probably target being back for round 5 of the league."
See I don't really get though why there's a need to have the National league linked to the championship then.

Could it be better to have a National league played alongside the club championship.

Overall though I see long term problems with the dominance of the inter county game at the expense of the club game. It's now taking up practically all of the best months for playing.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4614 - 15/09/2025 12:30:58    2636242

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