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Replying To Blackspot09:  "Perhaps regional teams could be incorporated into the feis cup at the start of the year or something along these lines? Might reinvigorate the feis cup which is a joke of a competition now and it would give a lot of lads involved in those Regional teams from Junior A/B clubs in particular the opportunity to put themselves against the top senior clubs which they don't get a chance to do."
I agree with this. I think if the regional goes well have the Feis Cup be the 16 senior teams and 8 regions. I'd say you could scrap the Bru Na Boinne and Tailteann cup and nobody would lose any sleep. Give the 8 senior quarter finalists a bye. 8 regional teams vs 7 non quarter finalists from senior and the previous years inter champs. Then into a prelim. Then quarter final, semi final and final. 5 games the same as this year. A testing ground to see how the regions stack up against senior clubs if integrating them into Keegan is a possible idea. And higher level of games than you'd otherwise get at that time of year. That's certainly the direction I'd be taking it anyway

LeitrimRoyal99 (Meath) - Posts: 1462 - 12/10/2022 17:25:43    2443775

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Replying To Blackspot09:  "Perhaps regional teams could be incorporated into the feis cup at the start of the year or something along these lines? Might reinvigorate the feis cup which is a joke of a competition now and it would give a lot of lads involved in those Regional teams from Junior A/B clubs in particular the opportunity to put themselves against the top senior clubs which they don't get a chance to do."
Pretty sure this was done before in the early 90's, junior and Intermediate clubs amalgamated to compete in Feis cup

Analyst (Meath) - Posts: 1467 - 13/10/2022 12:12:55    2443827

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May already be answered but is this just a once off competition for what is essentially trial matches. While I like the idea of it being added to feis cup, would that make it anymore appetising. Senior clubs don't even bother with the feis cup. This has all the signs of a railway cup type of competition this year, players like playing it, families will go to the games but ultimately 90% of the gaa community will have no interest especially with no senior clubs involved.

Not to be ageist but would have liked to see it being restricted to under 30s or something like that so COR could actually see talent that he can mould. Admittedly some of the better junior and inter footballers can be older than that, they are not going to be considered at intercounty senior ( I can't think of one senior player in the modern game who peaked after 30 outside of maybe a goalkeeper).

off_the_wall (Roscommon) - Posts: 64 - 13/10/2022 13:57:24    2443844

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Replying To off_the_wall:  "May already be answered but is this just a once off competition for what is essentially trial matches. While I like the idea of it being added to feis cup, would that make it anymore appetising. Senior clubs don't even bother with the feis cup. This has all the signs of a railway cup type of competition this year, players like playing it, families will go to the games but ultimately 90% of the gaa community will have no interest especially with no senior clubs involved.

Not to be ageist but would have liked to see it being restricted to under 30s or something like that so COR could actually see talent that he can mould. Admittedly some of the better junior and inter footballers can be older than that, they are not going to be considered at intercounty senior ( I can't think of one senior player in the modern game who peaked after 30 outside of maybe a goalkeeper)."
I think you are missing the point of the regional championship entirely . They are not trial games for the Meath senior team .

The hope for it is that if we have the strong players from lower grade clubs getting exposed to a higher standard of football on a more regular basis it will therefore improve the standard of Meath football overall . How do you ensure the standard of the regional championship is a high as possible? You get the best players possible competing in it regardless of their age.

This regional championship was supposed to start in 2020 but was postponed because of covid so they are not trial games for the meath senior team. The fact COR is using them as trial games is fine and makes complete sense for him to do so but I think some people are mistakenly thinking that this Regional championship was only set up to facilitate the senior management in trialing players .

This will hopefully be a long term competition that will no doubt have some teething problems at first but will hopefully evolve into a highly competitive championship or competition involving the senior clubs as well that will drive up playing standards in the county.

Blackspot09 (Meath) - Posts: 870 - 13/10/2022 14:46:28    2443853

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Thanks for clearing that up. It is a competition in theory that would be beneficial for the county but the problem is finding the time of year and structure to play it. Can't impact the club competitions because you end up taking the best players from small clubs, pointless playing it during intercounty season as you won't have 30 - 40+ of the best players available due to Senior and 20s (if incorporating the senior clubs) and then playing it in October and November during the off season belittles it. Getting current senior clubs to agree to more teams being added will probably be shot down given it will mean wholesale relegation of 50% of them to keep to a 16 team championship which is the max it should be (12 would be better).

Just can't see it working when you have to factor in dual clubs.

I know I'm sounding very negative on the topic and I don't mean to be as I think it is a great idea but just don't see how it can work.

off_the_wall (Roscommon) - Posts: 64 - 13/10/2022 15:29:43    2443861

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Replying To Blackspot09:  "I think you are missing the point of the regional championship entirely . They are not trial games for the Meath senior team .

The hope for it is that if we have the strong players from lower grade clubs getting exposed to a higher standard of football on a more regular basis it will therefore improve the standard of Meath football overall . How do you ensure the standard of the regional championship is a high as possible? You get the best players possible competing in it regardless of their age.

This regional championship was supposed to start in 2020 but was postponed because of covid so they are not trial games for the meath senior team. The fact COR is using them as trial games is fine and makes complete sense for him to do so but I think some people are mistakenly thinking that this Regional championship was only set up to facilitate the senior management in trialing players .

This will hopefully be a long term competition that will no doubt have some teething problems at first but will hopefully evolve into a highly competitive championship or competition involving the senior clubs as well that will drive up playing standards in the county."
Must admit I thought Regional was the brainchild of new management and did not know it was due to start two years ago. However it should help bring talent to attention of COR and a good opportunity for lads to a least put their hands and see there is a pathway into senior panel. Hopefully it gets the required support from all concerned and who knows, it could throw up a few gems along the way. Difficult to see regional teams entering Senior Championship, however, as it stands looks like a positive step.

seadog54 (Meath) - Posts: 2149 - 13/10/2022 16:10:27    2443868

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This was posted as a new thread but since the subject matter is the same it has been incorporated here.

bdbuddah (1062)
16/10/2022
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Meath Regional Championship


https://www.hoganstand.com/Meath/Article/Index/325288
Anyone know much about this?. Will this become a annual competition?.
I'd like if this turned out to be a prelude to having regional teams competing in the senior club championship like they do in Kerry.

Administrator (None) - Posts: 2274 - 16/10/2022 11:10:58    2444174

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I'm not going to get too bogged down in the details of whether this good or bad for Meath, I don't know but I definitely think it's a good thing for our club to have something else to strive for as silverware often doesn't come our way. Just going to enjoy it for what it is.

All that's left to be said is Hon Brú Na Boinne!!

LoyalRoyal (None) - Posts: 452 - 24/10/2022 14:08:03    2445265

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It kicks off tonight. I think Tara may struggle because Dunshauglin players probably won't be playing. And Moyfenragh seem like the weakest with none of the 4 clubs involved having a great year. Boyne Valley are my pick to win. I hope this tournament is a success. Hoping to get to a good few of the games

LeitrimRoyal99 (Meath) - Posts: 1462 - 25/10/2022 10:44:41    2445341

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Good start to the regional championship. I wasn't at any of the games so only read the reports.

It's great to see the likes of Harry Hogan, Jason Scully, Eoin Harkin and even Donal Keoghan (don't think he played but was listed) buying into this and not thinking their place is assured on the Meath panel.

Also even better to see ex county players like Burke, Tobin and Newman all playing while the likes of Kevin Ross, Seanie Mahon and Marty Mulhall who all have been fantastic club players through the years are buying in too.

My only annoyance is Dunshaughlin. None of the Dunshaughlin intermediate team are involved and I get that as they have a lenister championship to focus on. But lads from Dunshaughlin who aren't playing with the intermediates and then lining out for a regional team is a kick in the teeth. They aren't playing with Dunshaughlins first team so why are they with the regional side.

UsernameInvalid (Meath) - Posts: 355 - 27/10/2022 13:41:57    2445658

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Replying To UsernameInvalid:  "Good start to the regional championship. I wasn't at any of the games so only read the reports.

It's great to see the likes of Harry Hogan, Jason Scully, Eoin Harkin and even Donal Keoghan (don't think he played but was listed) buying into this and not thinking their place is assured on the Meath panel.

Also even better to see ex county players like Burke, Tobin and Newman all playing while the likes of Kevin Ross, Seanie Mahon and Marty Mulhall who all have been fantastic club players through the years are buying in too.

My only annoyance is Dunshaughlin. None of the Dunshaughlin intermediate team are involved and I get that as they have a lenister championship to focus on. But lads from Dunshaughlin who aren't playing with the intermediates and then lining out for a regional team is a kick in the teeth. They aren't playing with Dunshaughlins first team so why are they with the regional side."
Who is it a kick in the teeth to? And why is it a kick in the teeth?

Blackspot09 (Meath) - Posts: 870 - 27/10/2022 14:35:09    2445675

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Replying To UsernameInvalid:  "Good start to the regional championship. I wasn't at any of the games so only read the reports.

It's great to see the likes of Harry Hogan, Jason Scully, Eoin Harkin and even Donal Keoghan (don't think he played but was listed) buying into this and not thinking their place is assured on the Meath panel.

Also even better to see ex county players like Burke, Tobin and Newman all playing while the likes of Kevin Ross, Seanie Mahon and Marty Mulhall who all have been fantastic club players through the years are buying in too.

My only annoyance is Dunshaughlin. None of the Dunshaughlin intermediate team are involved and I get that as they have a lenister championship to focus on. But lads from Dunshaughlin who aren't playing with the intermediates and then lining out for a regional team is a kick in the teeth. They aren't playing with Dunshaughlins first team so why are they with the regional side."
Jasus you have little to complain about - obvs they are preparing for a leinster round - and send through a few decent footballers from 2nd team - I don't see the problem - if regional manager wants to play other players from other teams that make up the team, then up to him.

Jimmycricket (Meath) - Posts: 113 - 27/10/2022 15:57:58    2445702

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Replying To Jimmycricket:  "Jasus you have little to complain about - obvs they are preparing for a leinster round - and send through a few decent footballers from 2nd team - I don't see the problem - if regional manager wants to play other players from other teams that make up the team, then up to him."
I'd love to know who it is a kick in the teeth to?

Should these lads be excluded just because at the moment they can't get into a Dunshaughlin team which proved this year to be absolutely miles ahead of most other intermediate teams so it is quite possible these lads would be starters in the majority of other intermediate teams so are good players. Not sure what the problem is to be honest.

Blackspot09 (Meath) - Posts: 870 - 27/10/2022 16:33:15    2445705

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They are obviously good enough if the managers are picking them. It's not turn up and play if you want. Those Dunshaughlin fring players would be strong junior footballers.

off_the_wall (Roscommon) - Posts: 64 - 27/10/2022 17:27:32    2445713

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It's a kick in the teeth to the competition first of all by not having the players from the Dunshaughlin intermediate team available. Secondly Meath football because those lads can't get on a Dunshaughlin intermediate team or panel then what chance have they for Meath. I get they have an intermediate quarter final in 10 days but so do Castletown. Now I wouldn't expect the Castletown lads to be available next week as they will be 4 days out from their quarter final. Is this depriving the likes of Conor Gray, John McDonagh and Luke Mitchell of playing at a higher standard

Look the only Dunshaughlin player I know from last night is Tadgh O Dushlaine and he is a very good footballer, surprised not to see him with Dunshaughlin this year. He would get on the panel of most senior teams so I was shocked not to see him with them. It also could ask the question if the likes of Eoghan O Connor played well last night and continues to do so will he get a shot with Meath and then this asks a question of how can he be in with Meath before even being a starter for his club.

UsernameInvalid (Meath) - Posts: 355 - 27/10/2022 18:43:09    2445720

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Replying To UsernameInvalid:  "Good start to the regional championship. I wasn't at any of the games so only read the reports.

It's great to see the likes of Harry Hogan, Jason Scully, Eoin Harkin and even Donal Keoghan (don't think he played but was listed) buying into this and not thinking their place is assured on the Meath panel.

Also even better to see ex county players like Burke, Tobin and Newman all playing while the likes of Kevin Ross, Seanie Mahon and Marty Mulhall who all have been fantastic club players through the years are buying in too.

My only annoyance is Dunshaughlin. None of the Dunshaughlin intermediate team are involved and I get that as they have a lenister championship to focus on. But lads from Dunshaughlin who aren't playing with the intermediates and then lining out for a regional team is a kick in the teeth. They aren't playing with Dunshaughlins first team so why are they with the regional side."
Don't see the problem myself.They are trying to win a leinster.People would be on here giving out if they didn't take leinster seriously.Best of luck to them in Leinster and the other Meath teams.Also technically speaking they are a Senior club now so good luck to them.

Proudroyal (Meath) - Posts: 257 - 27/10/2022 20:16:53    2445725

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Replying To Blackspot09:  "I'd love to know who it is a kick in the teeth to?

Should these lads be excluded just because at the moment they can't get into a Dunshaughlin team which proved this year to be absolutely miles ahead of most other intermediate teams so it is quite possible these lads would be starters in the majority of other intermediate teams so are good players. Not sure what the problem is to be honest."
How about lads playing on second teams in clubs with Senior teams

Royalblufill (Meath) - Posts: 479 - 28/10/2022 08:54:24    2445741

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Replying To Royalblufill:  "How about lads playing on second teams in clubs with Senior teams"
Think this would be against the rules as the competition is for junior and intermediate players only. I am open to correction on this though.

Blackspot09 (Meath) - Posts: 870 - 28/10/2022 09:42:51    2445744

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Replying To UsernameInvalid:  "It's a kick in the teeth to the competition first of all by not having the players from the Dunshaughlin intermediate team available. Secondly Meath football because those lads can't get on a Dunshaughlin intermediate team or panel then what chance have they for Meath. I get they have an intermediate quarter final in 10 days but so do Castletown. Now I wouldn't expect the Castletown lads to be available next week as they will be 4 days out from their quarter final. Is this depriving the likes of Conor Gray, John McDonagh and Luke Mitchell of playing at a higher standard

Look the only Dunshaughlin player I know from last night is Tadgh O Dushlaine and he is a very good footballer, surprised not to see him with Dunshaughlin this year. He would get on the panel of most senior teams so I was shocked not to see him with them. It also could ask the question if the likes of Eoghan O Connor played well last night and continues to do so will he get a shot with Meath and then this asks a question of how can he be in with Meath before even being a starter for his club."
You seem to think the Regional championship are just trial games for the Meath Senior team. This is not the case. It's not just about trying to get on to the Meath Panel. If it was then the likes of Mickey Newman Mickey Burke Alan Nestor Donny Tobin Kevin Ross wouldn't be playing.

If the competition unearths some hidden gems that's great but this is not the overall objective of the Regional Championship.

Blackspot09 (Meath) - Posts: 870 - 28/10/2022 09:48:38    2445745

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There was no way Dunshauglin were going to release any first team players. But some of the lads they sent to the Regional are 3rd team players I believe. O'Dushlaine didn't feature for 1st or 2nd team this year. Goodwin is a third team player too. It's suprising, but management are obviously holding back about 30 players for the Leinster. I heard that their U20 team will be severely weakened this year too.

Tinchy1 (Meath) - Posts: 60 - 28/10/2022 11:58:02    2445772

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