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A few changes I would make to hurling rules. Discussion pointers.
1. Throw-in : Throw the ball up in the air.
Rationale : When the ball is thrown in on the ground, the game is inevitably scrappy, or results in another throw-in until the ball is cleared. Throwing it up in the air means the ball has more chance to be got out of there before the inevitable scrap on the ground for the ball on a wet ground. There is also the "one player pulls" issue at present and the other team gets a free.
2. Taunting. Book a player for taunting, and throw the ball in if a free has been won.
Rationale : There was always a few comments and mouthy players back in the 80s/90s but the trend of late is for 2-3 players taunting a player who has conceded a free. No more than a ball being thrown in if a player hits someone, this should also result in a throw in.
3. Level scores: A team with more goals wins if level
Rationale : Encourages teams to try score goals and makes staying 1 goal ahead worth 4 points. Also is another "tie break" factor to result in less extra time, penalties, etc.
4. Penalties (after extra time): Let players take them out of their hands
Rationale : At club level, there are not 5 players on club teams capable of taking penalties, especially not after hurling a match and extra-time. Most don't practice them once during the year, and are not comfortable taking them. It is unfair to have a teams fate decided on a corner back taking a penalty. I would allow players to take these out of their hands, it would not be long before the keeper saves one. Any encroachment beyond the 21 yard line = penalty missed. Not a rule currently enforced properly.
ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1122 - 15/09/2022 09:34:13
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Replying To ExiledInWex: "A few changes I would make to hurling rules. Discussion pointers.
1. Throw-in : Throw the ball up in the air.
Rationale : When the ball is thrown in on the ground, the game is inevitably scrappy, or results in another throw-in until the ball is cleared. Throwing it up in the air means the ball has more chance to be got out of there before the inevitable scrap on the ground for the ball on a wet ground. There is also the "one player pulls" issue at present and the other team gets a free.
2. Taunting. Book a player for taunting, and throw the ball in if a free has been won.
Rationale : There was always a few comments and mouthy players back in the 80s/90s but the trend of late is for 2-3 players taunting a player who has conceded a free. No more than a ball being thrown in if a player hits someone, this should also result in a throw in.
3. Level scores: A team with more goals wins if level
Rationale : Encourages teams to try score goals and makes staying 1 goal ahead worth 4 points. Also is another "tie break" factor to result in less extra time, penalties, etc.
4. Penalties (after extra time): Let players take them out of their hands
Rationale : At club level, there are not 5 players on club teams capable of taking penalties, especially not after hurling a match and extra-time. Most don't practice them once during the year, and are not comfortable taking them. It is unfair to have a teams fate decided on a corner back taking a penalty. I would allow players to take these out of their hands, it would not be long before the keeper saves one. Any encroachment beyond the 21 yard line = penalty missed. Not a rule currently enforced properly." 1. Throw-in : Throw the ball up in the air.
I don't think throwing the ball up in the air will make much difference, no ones going to catch it, it'll still end on the ground.
I would like the see the game start with a puck out from the goalkeeper, the ball must cross the halfway line.
2. Taunting. Book a player for taunting, and throw the ball in if a free has been won.
I agree. And/or award a free the other way. It would soon to put a stop to the nonsense.
3. Level scores: A team with more goals wins if level
It's far easier to score 3 points in hurling than it is a goal, yet they have the same value. The obvious solution would be to increase the vale of a goal, to 4 or 5 points.
4. Penalties (after extra time): Let players take them out of their hands
I hate penalty shoot outs, they are a lottery. I would much prefer to see time factored in for a replay, but as this is not always feasible, I would prefer a tie break system like they have in the rugby's European Champions Cup, a place kicking competition. In hurling I would rather see a free taking competition from different positions on the 65m line.
Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2447 - 15/09/2022 12:18:05
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Points 2 & 3 have merit. Points 1 & 4 don't.
When you look back at old videos of hurling, how come the ref was able to throw the ball in between two players and the two players both had to have their hurleys on the ground and other players had to be 10-15 yards away?
It could be made like that again. It might mean slowing up the game for a while (no longer than Hawkeye does anyway) until players learn that this is how throw-ins are going to work. Give a free against a non-retreating player. It wouldn't take players long to adjust to this change.
foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 1903 - 15/09/2022 14:02:46
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1 & 2 - Absolutely
3 & 4 - Absolutely not
Onfor15 (Wexford) - Posts: 524 - 15/09/2022 14:57:44
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Replying To ExiledInWex: "A few changes I would make to hurling rules. Discussion pointers.
1. Throw-in : Throw the ball up in the air.
Rationale : When the ball is thrown in on the ground, the game is inevitably scrappy, or results in another throw-in until the ball is cleared. Throwing it up in the air means the ball has more chance to be got out of there before the inevitable scrap on the ground for the ball on a wet ground. There is also the "one player pulls" issue at present and the other team gets a free.
2. Taunting. Book a player for taunting, and throw the ball in if a free has been won.
Rationale : There was always a few comments and mouthy players back in the 80s/90s but the trend of late is for 2-3 players taunting a player who has conceded a free. No more than a ball being thrown in if a player hits someone, this should also result in a throw in.
3. Level scores: A team with more goals wins if level
Rationale : Encourages teams to try score goals and makes staying 1 goal ahead worth 4 points. Also is another "tie break" factor to result in less extra time, penalties, etc.
4. Penalties (after extra time): Let players take them out of their hands
Rationale : At club level, there are not 5 players on club teams capable of taking penalties, especially not after hurling a match and extra-time. Most don't practice them once during the year, and are not comfortable taking them. It is unfair to have a teams fate decided on a corner back taking a penalty. I would allow players to take these out of their hands, it would not be long before the keeper saves one. Any encroachment beyond the 21 yard line = penalty missed. Not a rule currently enforced properly." 1. Point to do players for the throw in. The rest to back off 10 meters. Award a free against the team that infringes called by the lines man.
2. Call it unsportsman like conduct and place the ball in front of the goal 20 meters out for a free.
3. Just increase the value of a goal to five points. But do we want more one sided games ?
4.Never decide a game on penalties. Belongs to another sport. Out of the hand if you want to kill goaltenders. With the run up the taker will be 5 meters away when hitting.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2655 - 15/09/2022 15:12:20
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Replying To ExiledInWex: "A few changes I would make to hurling rules. Discussion pointers.
1. Throw-in : Throw the ball up in the air.
Rationale : When the ball is thrown in on the ground, the game is inevitably scrappy, or results in another throw-in until the ball is cleared. Throwing it up in the air means the ball has more chance to be got out of there before the inevitable scrap on the ground for the ball on a wet ground. There is also the "one player pulls" issue at present and the other team gets a free.
2. Taunting. Book a player for taunting, and throw the ball in if a free has been won.
Rationale : There was always a few comments and mouthy players back in the 80s/90s but the trend of late is for 2-3 players taunting a player who has conceded a free. No more than a ball being thrown in if a player hits someone, this should also result in a throw in.
3. Level scores: A team with more goals wins if level
Rationale : Encourages teams to try score goals and makes staying 1 goal ahead worth 4 points. Also is another "tie break" factor to result in less extra time, penalties, etc.
4. Penalties (after extra time): Let players take them out of their hands
Rationale : At club level, there are not 5 players on club teams capable of taking penalties, especially not after hurling a match and extra-time. Most don't practice them once during the year, and are not comfortable taking them. It is unfair to have a teams fate decided on a corner back taking a penalty. I would allow players to take these out of their hands, it would not be long before the keeper saves one. Any encroachment beyond the 21 yard line = penalty missed. Not a rule currently enforced properly." 1. Point to do players for the throw in. The rest to back off 10 meters. Award a free against the team that infringes called by the lines man.
2. Call it unsportsman like conduct and place the ball in front of the goal 20 meters out for a free.
3. Just increase the value of a goal to five points. But do we want more one sided games ?
4.Never decide a game on penalties. Belongs to another sport. Out of the hand if you want to kill goaltenders. With the run up the taker will be 5 meters away when hitting.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2655 - 15/09/2022 15:59:19
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agree points 2 & 3 are worth looking at. personally hate the taunting bs that goes on. my only concern would be how refs implement it. it would have to be zero tolerance, because it would be very hard to decide which taunting crossed the line and which didn't. anything at all no matter how minor would be the only way to ensure consistency. Also I would reverse the free, not give a throw in.
Mayonman (Galway) - Posts: 1826 - 15/09/2022 16:09:37
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That taunting definitly needs to be clamped down all, just looking for a reaction from the player who gave away the free.
I'd like to see sanctions come in for diving and feigning injury, its epidemic at this stage.
Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 1898 - 15/09/2022 18:33:07
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Replying To Bon: "That taunting definitly needs to be clamped down all, just looking for a reaction from the player who gave away the free.
I'd like to see sanctions come in for diving and feigning injury, its epidemic at this stage." Think diving and feigning injury should clamped down on for sure Bon.. Don't see anything wrong with the throw in tbh. Penalties shouldn't decide games. Nothing wrong with 3 points for a goal and goals scored shouldn't settle games. Maybe sudden death extra time after extra time if a replay isn't possible. Best way to answer taunting is by playing harder and better.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11734 - 15/09/2022 22:00:18
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1. Throw-in : Throw the ball up in the air.
Maybe. The wost of all is when its a wet day, and a referee drops the ball on a mucky wet pitch and the ball is stuck. The problem with the "get everybody else away" is it wastes more time. You would be surprised how many would be caught cockney_cat.
2. Taunting. Book a player for taunting, and throw the ball in if a free has been won.
100%. I conceded a free this year after I got a bad finger injury. As I lay on the ground, 3 whatever expletive you wants called me 3 different names and much more. Luckily, it was early in the game and the 1-2 I scored in the game and we won. I would throw the ball in here 100%.
3. Level scores: A team with more goals wins if level
No for me.
4. Penalties (after extra time): Let players take them out of their hands
I would prefer first to 2 points.
StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1732 - 16/09/2022 10:04:22
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Two simple changes that would, in my opinion, improve the game:
1. For throw-in at the start of the game, all players except four midfielders must be inside the 45 metre line (same as football). The 65 metre line is too close to the half way line.This would eliminate a lot of the "scrums", when you have up to 16 players converging on the sliotar as soon as it's thrown in.
2. Puck-outs must be lift and strike, like taking a free, and the sliotar must travel beyond the 45 m line. This could be modified for under 12 and maybe under 14.
midlands (Westmeath) - Posts: 541 - 17/09/2022 10:46:46
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Replying To midlands: "Two simple changes that would, in my opinion, improve the game:
1. For throw-in at the start of the game, all players except four midfielders must be inside the 45 metre line (same as football). The 65 metre line is too close to the half way line.This would eliminate a lot of the "scrums", when you have up to 16 players converging on the sliotar as soon as it's thrown in.
2. Puck-outs must be lift and strike, like taking a free, and the sliotar must travel beyond the 45 m line. This could be modified for under 12 and maybe under 14." Just curious what you think is wrong with the way puck-outs are currently taken? Don't think I've ever before heard anybody calling for it to be changed.
Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2229 - 17/09/2022 12:16:41
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Replying To StoreysTash: "1. Throw-in : Throw the ball up in the air.
Maybe. The wost of all is when its a wet day, and a referee drops the ball on a mucky wet pitch and the ball is stuck. The problem with the "get everybody else away" is it wastes more time. You would be surprised how many would be caught cockney_cat.
2. Taunting. Book a player for taunting, and throw the ball in if a free has been won.
100%. I conceded a free this year after I got a bad finger injury. As I lay on the ground, 3 whatever expletive you wants called me 3 different names and much more. Luckily, it was early in the game and the 1-2 I scored in the game and we won. I would throw the ball in here 100%.
3. Level scores: A team with more goals wins if level
No for me.
4. Penalties (after extra time): Let players take them out of their hands
I would prefer first to 2 points." "1. Throw-in : Throw the ball up in the air. Maybe. The wost of all is when its a wet day, and a referee drops the ball on a mucky wet pitch and the ball is stuck. The problem with the "get everybody else away" is it wastes more time. You would be surprised how many would be caught cockney_cat."
As you still play the game, I'll bow to your superior knowledge. I was thinking, if the sliotar is thrown up in the air above four players, then four hurls will go up after it, each trying to control it and get it down to their advantage, making it unlikely any player would catch it in their hand, and more likely it ends up on the floor.
Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2447 - 17/09/2022 12:54:36
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At the start of the game the team who loses the toss for playing direction pucks out the first ball. or the toss wins both for you. The second half the other team pucks ir out. That will stop the first hopping around like chickens by the ref and players.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2655 - 17/09/2022 19:10:07
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Replying To Cockney_Cat: ""1. Throw-in : Throw the ball up in the air. Maybe. The wost of all is when its a wet day, and a referee drops the ball on a mucky wet pitch and the ball is stuck. The problem with the "get everybody else away" is it wastes more time. You would be surprised how many would be caught cockney_cat."
As you still play the game, I'll bow to your superior knowledge. I was thinking, if the sliotar is thrown up in the air above four players, then four hurls will go up after it, each trying to control it and get it down to their advantage, making it unlikely any player would catch it in their hand, and more likely it ends up on the floor." I would not claim superior knowledge Cockney_Cat, you make a valid point. It is a bit like a puck-out or a long ball, players contest and some will catch, some will bat, etc.
Once the ball hits the deck from a throw in, especially in winter, it is very hard for open play to redevelop.
StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1732 - 21/09/2022 08:18:45
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Replying To ExiledInWex: "A few changes I would make to hurling rules. Discussion pointers.
1. Throw-in : Throw the ball up in the air.
Rationale : When the ball is thrown in on the ground, the game is inevitably scrappy, or results in another throw-in until the ball is cleared. Throwing it up in the air means the ball has more chance to be got out of there before the inevitable scrap on the ground for the ball on a wet ground. There is also the "one player pulls" issue at present and the other team gets a free.
2. Taunting. Book a player for taunting, and throw the ball in if a free has been won.
Rationale : There was always a few comments and mouthy players back in the 80s/90s but the trend of late is for 2-3 players taunting a player who has conceded a free. No more than a ball being thrown in if a player hits someone, this should also result in a throw in.
3. Level scores: A team with more goals wins if level
Rationale : Encourages teams to try score goals and makes staying 1 goal ahead worth 4 points. Also is another "tie break" factor to result in less extra time, penalties, etc.
4. Penalties (after extra time): Let players take them out of their hands
Rationale : At club level, there are not 5 players on club teams capable of taking penalties, especially not after hurling a match and extra-time. Most don't practice them once during the year, and are not comfortable taking them. It is unfair to have a teams fate decided on a corner back taking a penalty. I would allow players to take these out of their hands, it would not be long before the keeper saves one. Any encroachment beyond the 21 yard line = penalty missed. Not a rule currently enforced properly." The throw in has become a total disaster and I predict that rules committees will soon legislate in this particular area.
I would not agree with throwing the sliotar in the air... it would still as now result in too many players surrounding the sliotar and creates rucks and mauls and would only lead to the current situation of another throw in.
Might I add that it looks absolutely stupid for linesmen to be standing on the 65m line at throw in trying supposedly ììto keep players from entering beyond the 65 in anticipation of a ruck ensuing from a throw in before the game and at halftime.
I would ask that just 2 players be in midfield for that throw in and that no other player is allowed to enter their area until the ball is played by one of those players thus leaving a decent chance of the ball coming into the possession of one player and then being played either on the ground or from the hand.
As for players taunting another player... these players should receive a yellow card and if it is not covered in the rules at present then the rules should be altered to bring in such a category to merit the issuing of a yellow in that instance.
Rules are there by nature to.try to ensure we have games that can be played fairly and there is no reason why rules can't change to meet current trends in our games.
Penalties as a means of deciding an outcome and how they should be taken is a sensitive issue and there are merits to both having and not having them.
I think most would agree that they are not the best solution but may be a necessary part of completing certain matches in some.competition's.
carlowman (Carlow) - Posts: 1820 - 21/09/2022 15:37:53
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Definite no to all of them for me. I was out two junior matches this year and 10 pens were taken in both games. Only 3 in total from 20 were missed - i know thats rare but taken a "free" from the handy will never happen. There might be more of a merit of bringing the pen spot in a yard but no more.
I'm all for encouraging for more goals but I dont think that rule would necessarily make much of a difference. I'd feel two periods of ET is far fairer.
Just my opinions.
tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 21/09/2022 15:39:16
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Sorry, I'm good with the taunting point! Makes sense.
tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 21/09/2022 15:42:51
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