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Munster V South Africa Pairc Ui Chaoimh In November

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Replying To KillingFields:  "What extra games would either Semple or Limerick gaelic grounds get. they do need to pgrade their facilities anyway. need to get more modern"
Well the IRFU could certainly rotate around the bigger grounds for big matches like the one planned at PUC, the FAI could do a lot worse than rotate friendly matches or even tournament qualifier matches around the country, if you make it known the venues are available then fixtures will come. As regards improving the venues well both Limerick and Thurles need new main stands, Tipp need to ditch this idea of renovating, again, a structure that's heading for 60 years old and just plan a new stand, Limerick need a new Mackey Stand and a roof and general facelift the far side and your sorted, both those new stands should follow the PUC model.

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3734 - 27/08/2022 14:56:12    2438815

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Replying To Richieq:  "Well the IRFU could certainly rotate around the bigger grounds for big matches like the one planned at PUC, the FAI could do a lot worse than rotate friendly matches or even tournament qualifier matches around the country, if you make it known the venues are available then fixtures will come. As regards improving the venues well both Limerick and Thurles need new main stands, Tipp need to ditch this idea of renovating, again, a structure that's heading for 60 years old and just plan a new stand, Limerick need a new Mackey Stand and a roof and general facelift the far side and your sorted, both those new stands should follow the PUC model."
You better give the magic money tree a good shake.

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2447 - 27/08/2022 16:44:02    2438829

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Thanks to Munster branch of IRFU and also IRFU for choosing the Pairc. Also thanks to Cork GAA for giving it. It should be a win win for all concerned.

galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 2517 - 27/08/2022 17:14:24    2438830

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The title of this topic should be Munster Reserves V South Africa Reserves Pairc Ui Chaoimh In November. This match is being played on Saturday 11th November.
Ireland play Fiji on the 12th at the Aviva as part of the Autumn Internationals 2022 series. South Africa play France in Marseille, also on the 12th.

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2447 - 27/08/2022 17:16:52    2438831

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Replying To Richieq:  "Well the IRFU could certainly rotate around the bigger grounds for big matches like the one planned at PUC, the FAI could do a lot worse than rotate friendly matches or even tournament qualifier matches around the country, if you make it known the venues are available then fixtures will come. As regards improving the venues well both Limerick and Thurles need new main stands, Tipp need to ditch this idea of renovating, again, a structure that's heading for 60 years old and just plan a new stand, Limerick need a new Mackey Stand and a roof and general facelift the far side and your sorted, both those new stands should follow the PUC model."
Why should we have a 45 to 50,000 Stadium when there are three more Stadiums of a similar size in local counties, that are vastly more successful than Limerick ever were and have each far larger player resources than Limerick?. Outside f Croke Park the biggest GAA Stadium in Leinster is KK and it accommodates 30,000. Long ago Pairc na nGael should have been sold off for development and a new more compact Stadium put in its place.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4317 - 27/08/2022 18:03:57    2438833

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "You better give the magic money tree a good shake."
Open up the facilities and the money will come, speculate to accumulate as the old saying goes

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3734 - 27/08/2022 18:08:19    2438834

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Replying To Richieq:  "Well the IRFU could certainly rotate around the bigger grounds for big matches like the one planned at PUC, the FAI could do a lot worse than rotate friendly matches or even tournament qualifier matches around the country, if you make it known the venues are available then fixtures will come. As regards improving the venues well both Limerick and Thurles need new main stands, Tipp need to ditch this idea of renovating, again, a structure that's heading for 60 years old and just plan a new stand, Limerick need a new Mackey Stand and a roof and general facelift the far side and your sorted, both those new stands should follow the PUC model."
How large is Pairc Tailteann?. And remember Meath is a large county with a big population and as many All Irelands won in the last fifty years as Limerick as. Since Cork started that development their success rate at Senior Level has plummeted. No need for us to fall into that tap. The Pitch in Limerick is fine and long live the new main emphasis for Limerick County, which is promoting our games.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4317 - 27/08/2022 18:09:56    2438835

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Replying To KillingFields:  "well thats just wrong
Limerick hurling hasnt put a jinx on Munster. its hampered players coming through from limerick but not as big a worry with rise of players coming through from waterford, west cork etc
munster looked for the game in cork and wont fight to get the game in cork.
your anti other sport bias is rather pathetic and your post here is full on lies/untruths."
Well it should be a worry. A B and I Lions team of about fifteen years ago had five Limerick men out of a 42 man Players travelling Party drawn from the entire British and Irish isles- Popultion 70 million in total- population of Limerick les than 200,000. Any dilution of the game in Limerick is hardly good for the game in Munster. Top brass rugby men in the Province have themselves expressed concern at the rise of Hurling in Limerick and the adverse effect it is having on their code.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4317 - 27/08/2022 19:31:50    2438842

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Replying To Richieq:  "Well the IRFU could certainly rotate around the bigger grounds for big matches like the one planned at PUC, the FAI could do a lot worse than rotate friendly matches or even tournament qualifier matches around the country, if you make it known the venues are available then fixtures will come. As regards improving the venues well both Limerick and Thurles need new main stands, Tipp need to ditch this idea of renovating, again, a structure that's heading for 60 years old and just plan a new stand, Limerick need a new Mackey Stand and a roof and general facelift the far side and your sorted, both those new stands should follow the PUC model."
Meath has a population of 220,000, more than that of Limerick, they has won more All Irelands over the past sixty years than Limerick and your county ground has a capacity of a miserly 10,000 and you are encouraging Limerick Co Board to improve on a Stadium with well over four times the crowd carrying capacity of the leading pitch in the Royal County.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4317 - 27/08/2022 19:42:04    2438844

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The biggest issue I have is the the other 2 main sports, soccer and rugby, seem to think they have the "right" to use the GAA grounds if and when it suits them but they build their own grounds (pitch size) small enough to prevent the GAA from being able to use them.
It's akin to you buying a small car and then expecting your neighbour to lend you his bigger and more expensive car on occasions when you need a bigger car.
By all means the GAA should rent out their grounds but only when it suits the GAA to do so and for a decent high rent. Ask the likes of AVIS or HERTZ about their business models.

BlueBeret (Dublin) - Posts: 54 - 28/08/2022 09:24:28    2438867

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Replying To BlueBeret:  "The biggest issue I have is the the other 2 main sports, soccer and rugby, seem to think they have the "right" to use the GAA grounds if and when it suits them but they build their own grounds (pitch size) small enough to prevent the GAA from being able to use them.
It's akin to you buying a small car and then expecting your neighbour to lend you his bigger and more expensive car on occasions when you need a bigger car.
By all means the GAA should rent out their grounds but only when it suits the GAA to do so and for a decent high rent. Ask the likes of AVIS or HERTZ about their business models."
Ridiculous comment. "Think they have the right"? Nonsense. Any sport wanting to use a GAA ground would approach the relevant GAA authorities, making a request to use the ground, the GAA will then make a decision one way or the other. Do music acts think they have right to use GAA grounds? At the end of the day, it's a good source of revenue for the GAA.
And as for soccer and rugby building their grounds "to prevent the GAA from being able to use them". If you believe that, then there's point in me debating the matter.

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2447 - 28/08/2022 11:00:30    2438874

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Replying To Richieq:  "Well the IRFU could certainly rotate around the bigger grounds for big matches like the one planned at PUC, the FAI could do a lot worse than rotate friendly matches or even tournament qualifier matches around the country, if you make it known the venues are available then fixtures will come. As regards improving the venues well both Limerick and Thurles need new main stands, Tipp need to ditch this idea of renovating, again, a structure that's heading for 60 years old and just plan a new stand, Limerick need a new Mackey Stand and a roof and general facelift the far side and your sorted, both those new stands should follow the PUC model."
The PUC model? You mean the 'model' that all us gaels are paying for? Cork GAA over extended themselves building PUC... actually it was a shambles. Central Council now own the debt. No more than Mayo GAA and the McHale park shambles, every last penny should be paid back to the GAA and the quicker the better.

Square_B (Leitrim) - Posts: 844 - 28/08/2022 11:50:25    2438881

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Well it should be a worry. A B and I Lions team of about fifteen years ago had five Limerick men out of a 42 man Players travelling Party drawn from the entire British and Irish isles- Popultion 70 million in total- population of Limerick les than 200,000. Any dilution of the game in Limerick is hardly good for the game in Munster. Top brass rugby men in the Province have themselves expressed concern at the rise of Hurling in Limerick and the adverse effect it is having on their code.
Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 3759 - 27/08/2022 19:31:50
It really isnt as big a worry as you think. there is of course concerns and Limerick has had its output reduced but there is huge numbers coming from Waterford, West Cork and other areas that were not producing many players in the past. The game in Limerick hasnt diluted. The game still played a lot but the number of pros coming through isnt as high.

The biggest issue I have is the the other 2 main sports, soccer and rugby, seem to think they have the "right" to use the GAA grounds if and when it suits them but they build their own grounds (pitch size) small enough to prevent the GAA from being able to use them.
It's akin to you buying a small car and then expecting your neighbour to lend you his bigger and more expensive car on occasions when you need a bigger car.
By all means the GAA should rent out their grounds but only when it suits the GAA to do so and for a decent high rent. Ask the likes of AVIS or HERTZ about their business models.
BlueBeret (Dublin) - Posts: 42 - 28/08/2022 09:24:28
Nobody has said soccer or rugby have the right to use these grounds. They dont build there grounds small enough to stop GAA.

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3499 - 28/08/2022 11:54:32    2438882

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Meath has a population of 220,000, more than that of Limerick, they has won more All Irelands over the past sixty years than Limerick and your county ground has a capacity of a miserly 10,000 and you are encouraging Limerick Co Board to improve on a Stadium with well over four times the crowd carrying capacity of the leading pitch in the Royal County."
Actually with the right procedures in place PT can hold 17k but that aside I'm not encouraging the Limerick board ti do anything, they have publicly stated those desires themselves. Future developments should, and will, focus on comfort and facilities and not capacity. When I say the PUC model I mean having a corporate and conferencing element within a structure to allow for other uses outside of matchdays that can generate revenue, additionally those facilities can also help attract fixtures outside of the GAA and I have no issue in other sports using GAA stadia as a means to bring in revenue.

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3734 - 28/08/2022 13:36:35    2438896

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Replying To Square_B:  "The PUC model? You mean the 'model' that all us gaels are paying for? Cork GAA over extended themselves building PUC... actually it was a shambles. Central Council now own the debt. No more than Mayo GAA and the McHale park shambles, every last penny should be paid back to the GAA and the quicker the better."
Mac Hake Park I agree is a shambles, €16 million for a stand that doesn't even possess completely unrestricted views, and the other three sides consist of bare concrete bench seating, bad planning certainly. By the PUC model I mean having a stand with a corporate and conference facility that allows for revenue to be earned outside of matchdays as well as helping to attract outside fixtures. Big stadia like Limerick and Thurles should be looking to include this type of facility and make their grounds more than just matchday venues, they are too big and have too much potential to lie idle fur long spells. PUC may have cost extra due to additional demolition and rebuild costs but it will work out fine in the long run, a new museum, visitor centre and a cafe is planned there, all good non match day income earners, that's the kind of model other big grounds need to look at to make themselves viable all year round and if the IRFU or FAI want to make use of these stadia then let them at it.

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3734 - 28/08/2022 13:47:14    2438897

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Replying To Richieq:  "Actually with the right procedures in place PT can hold 17k but that aside I'm not encouraging the Limerick board ti do anything, they have publicly stated those desires themselves. Future developments should, and will, focus on comfort and facilities and not capacity. When I say the PUC model I mean having a corporate and conferencing element within a structure to allow for other uses outside of matchdays that can generate revenue, additionally those facilities can also help attract fixtures outside of the GAA and I have no issue in other sports using GAA stadia as a means to bring in revenue."
Or simply less capacity but better facilities. No point building a ground for 50000 people with shite facilities when you can build a ground for 35000 and have better facilities.

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3499 - 28/08/2022 14:35:14    2438907

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Replying To BlueBeret:  "The biggest issue I have is the the other 2 main sports, soccer and rugby, seem to think they have the "right" to use the GAA grounds if and when it suits them but they build their own grounds (pitch size) small enough to prevent the GAA from being able to use them.
It's akin to you buying a small car and then expecting your neighbour to lend you his bigger and more expensive car on occasions when you need a bigger car.
By all means the GAA should rent out their grounds but only when it suits the GAA to do so and for a decent high rent. Ask the likes of AVIS or HERTZ about their business models."
LoL let's build a rugby stadium with GAA field lengths, sure that's a great idea to have the fans so far away in a rugby ground

DuhallowRed (Cork) - Posts: 267 - 28/08/2022 15:55:03    2438913

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Replying To Richieq:  "Actually with the right procedures in place PT can hold 17k but that aside I'm not encouraging the Limerick board ti do anything, they have publicly stated those desires themselves. Future developments should, and will, focus on comfort and facilities and not capacity. When I say the PUC model I mean having a corporate and conferencing element within a structure to allow for other uses outside of matchdays that can generate revenue, additionally those facilities can also help attract fixtures outside of the GAA and I have no issue in other sports using GAA stadia as a means to bring in revenue."
Cork nearly bankrupted themselves in the 70's developing PUC and 50 odd years later have left the GAA 30million in debt rebuilding a stadium which was always going to be underutilised. I have to question how many stadia the GAA actually needs and how many counties actually need the facilities you describe.

Square_B (Leitrim) - Posts: 844 - 28/08/2022 16:44:24    2438917

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Replying To Square_B:  "Cork nearly bankrupted themselves in the 70's developing PUC and 50 odd years later have left the GAA 30million in debt rebuilding a stadium which was always going to be underutilised. I have to question how many stadia the GAA actually needs and how many counties actually need the facilities you describe."
As previously mentioned big stadia only, such as Cork, Thurles, Limerick and possibly Galway which are all locate. In areas where other sports could be using those stadia, it won't be under-utilised and I would see this rugby game as a beginning of a whole new wave of use for PUC

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3734 - 28/08/2022 16:57:28    2438921

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Replying To Richieq:  "As previously mentioned big stadia only, such as Cork, Thurles, Limerick and possibly Galway which are all locate. In areas where other sports could be using those stadia, it won't be under-utilised and I would see this rugby game as a beginning of a whole new wave of use for PUC"
Thurles wont be used by any other sports. It isnt suitable for away fans as in fans from other countries. Nowhere near enough accommodation etc.

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3499 - 28/08/2022 17:37:01    2438924

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