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Replying To endgame: "That's only correct to a point. Before the current Limerick team's 4 All Irelands in 5 years, Limerick had won 7 hurling All Irelands which is just one more than your own Wexford and Dublin. Limerick had a great team in the 1930s that won 3 All Irelands in 7 years but Limerick only won one All Ireland in the following 77 years. The current Limerick side are just a brilliant team . Great players astutely managed. Nothing to do with that famous gaa word tradition." I never used that word. neither did Galway9801. I was merely stating the fact that Limerick had another great team apart from the current 1. Well 2 really. We had 2 too. In the 50s then again the 60s. Between them they won 4 of our AI titles and reached a few more finals also. We had a great team in the 70s too but Kilkenny and Cork were just that little better.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11799 - 18/08/2022 16:08:29
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Replying To endgame: "That's only correct to a point. Before the current Limerick team's 4 All Irelands in 5 years, Limerick had won 7 hurling All Irelands which is just one more than your own Wexford and Dublin. Limerick had a great team in the 1930s that won 3 All Irelands in 7 years but Limerick only won one All Ireland in the following 77 years. The current Limerick side are just a brilliant team . Great players astutely managed. Nothing to do with that famous gaa word tradition." Well in fairness the 1917 to 1924 team, of the famous Hindenburg Half back Line, was also a fine side. It won two All Irelands, three Munster Titles and was the only team ever to contest eight Munster Senior Hurling Finals in a row. Dublin is a kind of an artificial example. They did win six All Irelands , but no truly native Metropolitan was on any of the winning teams.
Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4318 - 18/08/2022 16:55:10
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I think people underestimate Limericks tradition. Winning sits easily on their shoulders because of the 1930s tradition of sustained success. Iv no doubt about that. The 1930s was a long time ago but there is a collective memory. Id no doubt this Limerick team would 'hang' around. People forget Limerick have reached All Ireland Finals in every decade bar one since 1910. Thats a serious tradition. Also the likes of Shannon in the rugby dominated the AIL for years.. and even the example of Kerry who alot of Limerick people follow in the Gaelic football would be an example of sustained winning.
For next year I do have concerns about people breaking into the team. Colin Coughlan went back abit this year ,he couldn't get any substitute appearances. He should be challenging Dan Morrissey more though Dan is excellent. Same with the fullback line...no real challenge. Midfield, surely Robbie Hanley must be close to gaining O Donovans slot ( I'm a huge fan of o donovan) . Cathal O Neill should be pushing Tom Morrissey very hard but he's still a way to go. And no one really pushing Flanagan and Gillane.. I suppose the point I'm making is there is a real chance this team all retire with a bang and then it's wilderness here we come
bloodyban (Limerick) - Posts: 1710 - 19/08/2022 08:09:27
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Replying To bloodyban: "I think people underestimate Limericks tradition. Winning sits easily on their shoulders because of the 1930s tradition of sustained success. Iv no doubt about that. The 1930s was a long time ago but there is a collective memory. Id no doubt this Limerick team would 'hang' around. People forget Limerick have reached All Ireland Finals in every decade bar one since 1910. Thats a serious tradition. Also the likes of Shannon in the rugby dominated the AIL for years.. and even the example of Kerry who alot of Limerick people follow in the Gaelic football would be an example of sustained winning.
For next year I do have concerns about people breaking into the team. Colin Coughlan went back abit this year ,he couldn't get any substitute appearances. He should be challenging Dan Morrissey more though Dan is excellent. Same with the fullback line...no real challenge. Midfield, surely Robbie Hanley must be close to gaining O Donovans slot ( I'm a huge fan of o donovan) . Cathal O Neill should be pushing Tom Morrissey very hard but he's still a way to go. And no one really pushing Flanagan and Gillane.. I suppose the point I'm making is there is a real chance this team all retire with a bang and then it's wilderness here we come" "Limerick have reached All Ireland Finals in every decade bar one since 1910"
You're wrong. Limerick never reached an AI final in the 1950s or 1960s. They went 33 years between 1940 and 1973 without appearing in an AI final.
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Going back to what the title of forum is,has Tom Devine completely stopped playing all hurling??i know he was studying to be a doctor or something along those lines..Canuck can I ask would you go looking for o keeffee and Connors to come back??where in your opinion does Aussie play and can o Mahoney be fitted into starting 15??i think that Waterford definitely have the players to be contesting for all ireland honors,whether davy is the man to get them over the line or not I just don't know..
CTGAA10 (Limerick) - Posts: 2214 - 19/08/2022 11:49:29
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Replying To CTGAA10: "Going back to what the title of forum is,has Tom Devine completely stopped playing all hurling??i know he was studying to be a doctor or something along those lines..Canuck can I ask would you go looking for o keeffee and Connors to come back??where in your opinion does Aussie play and can o Mahoney be fitted into starting 15??i think that Waterford definitely have the players to be contesting for all ireland honors,whether davy is the man to get them over the line or not I just don't know.." Pauric O'Mahony isn't good enough in open play. Connors is 32. Lads are making it sound that Davy will be alot different to Liam. He won't be in the important regard of wanting 300% buy in, gruelling training, and absolute commitment. He will be very different tactically to what he was last time in Waterford. His style of play got alot more advanced even in the 5 years with us.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11799 - 19/08/2022 13:41:09
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Replying To CTGAA10: "Going back to what the title of forum is,has Tom Devine completely stopped playing all hurling??i know he was studying to be a doctor or something along those lines..Canuck can I ask would you go looking for o keeffee and Connors to come back??where in your opinion does Aussie play and can o Mahoney be fitted into starting 15??i think that Waterford definitely have the players to be contesting for all ireland honors,whether davy is the man to get them over the line or not I just don't know.." Tom Devine is a surgeon and was give an ultimatum, his hands for that purpose or hurling. There would be no investment in his future if he continued to risk those hands. He was a huge loss to the game. Built like a tank and like Tom Cheasty nearly impossible to stop when going for goal. As good as O'Keeffe is I don't think he is needed and would not come back anyway. O'Brien and Nolan are good goaltenders and even others behind them. We would not be waiting for an All-Ireland if we had a goaltender in 90's. and 00's.
I would agree with Viking, O' Mahony can not produce enough from play anymore. I don't see Davy going back for players and he will introduce some others. Like Mark Fitzgearld who was on his way anyway. Patrick Curran's brother John looks excellent for Dungarvan at full back. I know it it only club but we will see if he gets called up. I know that Aussie needs to be left in some position. Through his career he has been up and back hoping he will fix every problem. Probably centre or full forward. Great player but fades in and out too much. Will make a brilliant run knocking players out of his way and scoring a fabulous point. However it is only worth one point. Hopefully that will be fixed.
Look something went horrible wrong last year. This team should not have become a bad team within a few weeks but it did. The root cause has got to be known. One player turning out in his position in a crucial game. As good as Liam was and is he botched something in the end. I don't see him doing that again.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2658 - 19/08/2022 14:45:57
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Replying To Canuck: "Tom Devine is a surgeon and was give an ultimatum, his hands for that purpose or hurling. There would be no investment in his future if he continued to risk those hands. He was a huge loss to the game. Built like a tank and like Tom Cheasty nearly impossible to stop when going for goal. As good as O'Keeffe is I don't think he is needed and would not come back anyway. O'Brien and Nolan are good goaltenders and even others behind them. We would not be waiting for an All-Ireland if we had a goaltender in 90's. and 00's.
I would agree with Viking, O' Mahony can not produce enough from play anymore. I don't see Davy going back for players and he will introduce some others. Like Mark Fitzgearld who was on his way anyway. Patrick Curran's brother John looks excellent for Dungarvan at full back. I know it it only club but we will see if he gets called up. I know that Aussie needs to be left in some position. Through his career he has been up and back hoping he will fix every problem. Probably centre or full forward. Great player but fades in and out too much. Will make a brilliant run knocking players out of his way and scoring a fabulous point. However it is only worth one point. Hopefully that will be fixed.
Look something went horrible wrong last year. This team should not have become a bad team within a few weeks but it did. The root cause has got to be known. One player turning out in his position in a crucial game. As good as Liam was and is he botched something in the end. I don't see him doing that again." You would think Cahill is as disappointed as anyone from Waterford with the Clare game especially.
It's impossible to keep a 5 month peak of near week on week games going in any sport. Much is made of Cody's record in the League but for alot of those years the League finished ages before the Championship started in earnest and games weren't week on week anyway in either competition. He used to rest alot of his top players for different League games or even give them the whole League off. But he had players to step in who were still better than most of us had. Or he wouldn't have won as many Leagues. He released the players back to their clubs for club championship games between intercounty championship ones. Of course he had the luxury of there being no significant involvement of his panel in club football.
In other sports, even Guardiola, for all his tactical genius, and a multi billion pound squad of 25 plus top International players, has failed to win a European Cup for City. And they have been poor enough energy wise towards the end of every season he's been there. With no mid-season break his style of play, much like Cahills and Fitzgeralds, wore the players out. And they don't have to work during the week they can just sit off in multi million pound Recovery Units. I'm thinking they might win it this year on account of the World Cup. Well worth a trip to the bookies with that bet.
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Replying To Viking66: "You would think Cahill is as disappointed as anyone from Waterford with the Clare game especially.
It's impossible to keep a 5 month peak of near week on week games going in any sport. Much is made of Cody's record in the League but for alot of those years the League finished ages before the Championship started in earnest and games weren't week on week anyway in either competition. He used to rest alot of his top players for different League games or even give them the whole League off. But he had players to step in who were still better than most of us had. Or he wouldn't have won as many Leagues. He released the players back to their clubs for club championship games between intercounty championship ones. Of course he had the luxury of there being no significant involvement of his panel in club football.
In other sports, even Guardiola, for all his tactical genius, and a multi billion pound squad of 25 plus top International players, has failed to win a European Cup for City. And they have been poor enough energy wise towards the end of every season he's been there. With no mid-season break his style of play, much like Cahills and Fitzgeralds, wore the players out. And they don't have to work during the week they can just sit off in multi million pound Recovery Units. I'm thinking they might win it this year on account of the World Cup. Well worth a trip to the bookies with that bet." "I'm thinking they might win it this year on account of the World Cup. Well worth a trip to the bookies with that bet".
The best odds you can get on Man City to win the Champions League is 11/4, that is not good value to me. Avoid the bookies.
Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2454 - 19/08/2022 18:34:53
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Replying To Viking66: "You would think Cahill is as disappointed as anyone from Waterford with the Clare game especially.
It's impossible to keep a 5 month peak of near week on week games going in any sport. Much is made of Cody's record in the League but for alot of those years the League finished ages before the Championship started in earnest and games weren't week on week anyway in either competition. He used to rest alot of his top players for different League games or even give them the whole League off. But he had players to step in who were still better than most of us had. Or he wouldn't have won as many Leagues. He released the players back to their clubs for club championship games between intercounty championship ones. Of course he had the luxury of there being no significant involvement of his panel in club football.
In other sports, even Guardiola, for all his tactical genius, and a multi billion pound squad of 25 plus top International players, has failed to win a European Cup for City. And they have been poor enough energy wise towards the end of every season he's been there. With no mid-season break his style of play, much like Cahills and Fitzgeralds, wore the players out. And they don't have to work during the week they can just sit off in multi million pound Recovery Units. I'm thinking they might win it this year on account of the World Cup. Well worth a trip to the bookies with that bet." A good analysis.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2658 - 19/08/2022 19:26:05
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Replying To Cockney_Cat: ""Limerick have reached All Ireland Finals in every decade bar one since 1910"
You're wrong. Limerick never reached an AI final in the 1950s or 1960s. They went 33 years between 1940 and 1973 without appearing in an AI final." Dead on CC. During the forties we contested six Munster Finals and were seldom beaten in any of them by more than a puck of a ball and also lost to Cork in '42 and' 48, in Semi Finals, by two points on each occasion. and we dethroned the Champs in '45 and '49 and nobody gave the Cork Four in a row side of that era tougher games. However the record show we only only won one Munster ,one All Ireland and one National League (beating the Cats in a replay) in the Forties. Really the less said about the Fifties and Sixties the better although they did dethrone Tipp in '66 and were very unlucky not to beat Cork in by far the toughest game they had that year. '71 was our best year, we lost only a single game, by a single point in the entire year, on a day when we were the victims of some of the worst Refereeing decisions I ever saw, in my sixty years going to matches. From '73 on I think the simple fact is we were often good, but never good enough, even though we did start to win Munsters and Leagues regularly again and of course our teams have won more Under 21 Titles in this Century that any other county and all that in its own way set the ground work for the present run of success.
However, many of us Limerick Hurling Folk are happy enough in our Hurling Skins as we realise that outside of the Big Three we are the only county that has produced three different sides each capable of winning more than one All Ireland and of course the Three in a Row win is a nice little feather in our headbands also- it would be nice to embellish those latter day achievements with the Five in a row in Munster and the The four Nationally. However only time will tell.
Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4318 - 19/08/2022 20:12:50
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Replying To Viking66: "You would think Cahill is as disappointed as anyone from Waterford with the Clare game especially.
It's impossible to keep a 5 month peak of near week on week games going in any sport. Much is made of Cody's record in the League but for alot of those years the League finished ages before the Championship started in earnest and games weren't week on week anyway in either competition. He used to rest alot of his top players for different League games or even give them the whole League off. But he had players to step in who were still better than most of us had. Or he wouldn't have won as many Leagues. He released the players back to their clubs for club championship games between intercounty championship ones. Of course he had the luxury of there being no significant involvement of his panel in club football.
In other sports, even Guardiola, for all his tactical genius, and a multi billion pound squad of 25 plus top International players, has failed to win a European Cup for City. And they have been poor enough energy wise towards the end of every season he's been there. With no mid-season break his style of play, much like Cahills and Fitzgeralds, wore the players out. And they don't have to work during the week they can just sit off in multi million pound Recovery Units. I'm thinking they might win it this year on account of the World Cup. Well worth a trip to the bookies with that bet." Poor enough energy wise towards the end of every season?
What about the 2018/2019 season when they won the last 15 games on the trot to pip Liverpool to the league title.
They were brilliant towards the end of last season too.
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Replying To Galway9801: "Poor enough energy wise towards the end of every season?
What about the 2018/2019 season when they won the last 15 games on the trot to pip Liverpool to the league title.
They were brilliant towards the end of last season too." They looked tired in every exit from the Champions League was the point I made?
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11799 - 20/08/2022 13:09:37
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I believe that having experience the round robin system more teams and managers will deal with it differently to try and achieve success. I believe there is one All-Ireland in this Waterford team but not sure if it will happen. If I was a manager/trainer or Davy (which I am not) this would be my approach.
1. Ignore the the league other that game time for newbies. It is useless and has been for some time. Especially as the championship is now a league. You would want to make the knock outs like a hole in the head.
2. Concentrate on getting your top players free of any injuries and hungry for championship action.
3. Throw the kitchen sink at winning your first home and away games. Then watch the other teams savage each other. There is ways of putting pressure on your adversaries other than on the field of play. Mainly your results. Take this year we beat Tipp and got with in 3 points of Limerick. If by any chance we could have beaten Limerick what do you think would have occurred? The defeat to Cork put fear and panic in us and especially the management team because we did not win game two.
4. If you get those two games (a different story if not) ease off. Bring on the panel players and keep others fresh. A lot depends on when the break is. If you pick up more points and make a munster final well you will take it. However for Waterford Munster championship should not be the priority anymore.
You will see a lot more strategy going forward because those amateur players can sustain what is been asked from March to July. Get involved with winning the league and your goose is cooked.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2658 - 20/08/2022 15:49:55
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