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A player, in possession of the ball, hops the ball on the ground and, without catching the ball, fists it to the net. Legal goal or not? Aibrean (Kerry) - Posts: 335 - 03/08/2022 12:48:20 2435993 Link
Replying To Aibrean: "A player, in possession of the ball, hops the ball on the ground and, without catching the ball, fists it to the net. Legal goal or not?" I would say its a legit goal. The player is not in possession of the ball and therefore can fist it legally i think. A more debatable question would be if a player bounces the ball and it went into the goal, would that be allowed? Meridian (Westmeath) - Posts: 676 - 03/08/2022 13:15:59 2436001 Link
This is actually already sort of dealt with in the "Double Hops" thread. The rulebook defines a bounce as: For a player who has caught the ball to play the ball against the ground with his hand(s) and to catch it on return to his hand(s) again. i.e. the ball must be caught again before it's considered a "bounce" in football terms. So, it would indeed be legal to hop the ball off the ground and then strike it with the fist instead of catching it, since that action wouldn't constitute a "bounce" even though the ball has bounced in the conventional sense. This would apply even if the player's last action with the ball was a regular bounce, where he hopped it off the ground and caught it again. Can see all right how it would cause consternation if it actually happened in practice, and a goal resulted. Did it happen in a match your own club was involved in, or is it a purely hypothetical question? Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2856 - 03/08/2022 13:17:47 2436002 Link
Replying To Aibrean: "A player, in possession of the ball, hops the ball on the ground and, without catching the ball, fists it to the net. Legal goal or not?" I would imagine illegal. But I'm not sure. royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 03/08/2022 13:33:11 2436005 Link
Replying To Aibrean: "A player, in possession of the ball, hops the ball on the ground and, without catching the ball, fists it to the net. Legal goal or not?" Legal. daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 4012 - 03/08/2022 14:01:41 2436019 Link
Replying To Aibrean: "A player, in possession of the ball, hops the ball on the ground and, without catching the ball, fists it to the net. Legal goal or not?" That's a legal goal as the ball is in open play in that situation. You can hop the ball as often as you like, basketball style, without catching it. liosbreac6265 (Longford) - Posts: 258 - 03/08/2022 14:02:01 2436020 Link
Replying To Aibrean: "A player, in possession of the ball, hops the ball on the ground and, without catching the ball, fists it to the net. Legal goal or not?" The official guide part 2 references punching the ball into the net when 'in flight' I'd argue that the scenario above is not in flight, rather it is part of possession play & so would not be allowed shakespeare (UK) - Posts: 28 - 03/08/2022 14:06:49 2436022 Link
Replying To Meridian: "I would say its a legit goal. The player is not in possession of the ball and therefore can fist it legally i think. A more debatable question would be if a player bounces the ball and it went into the goal, would that be allowed?" In the second case - no, it wouldn't be allowed, as that would be a throw as defined in the rulebook: THROW when the ball, held in the hand(s), is played away without a definite striking action You can't score a goal from a throw. Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2856 - 03/08/2022 14:34:33 2436026 Link
Interesting. Would a player be able to fist pass the ball into the ground, bouncing it into the net? Does the ground cause the ball to come into open play? TheDigger (USA) - Posts: 84 - 03/08/2022 14:39:36 2436028 Link
Replying To royaldunne: "I would imagine illegal. But I'm not sure." Perfectly legal goal. I've seen it happen on 3-4 occasions, and the goal always stood. foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 2219 - 03/08/2022 14:49:31 2436029 Link
No question legal. You can hit the ball with what ever you want into the goal as long as you don't touch the ball on the ground with your hand. Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 3039 - 03/08/2022 15:51:57 2436044 Link
Would it not be the same as when soloing? In that it gets treated the same as a handpass? If you were soloing the ball and flicked/punched to the net, it would be disallowed. Seen it happen a few times. I'd reckon the same would apply here so it is illegal. If you hopped the ball, but didn't gather it, I think it takes until it hops again for it to be in open play. MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13796 - 03/08/2022 16:04:29 2436049 Link
Off topic but can a player handpass a ball to a player who connects with his foot and score a goal? Thinking dummying a fisted point, handpass to a teammate who volleys the pass to the net. GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7975 - 03/08/2022 16:41:27 2436063 Link
Illegal goal in relation to earlier query. Player is deemed to be in possession. There's no way any ref would allow this to stand. Same as the hand pass goal of the 70s. Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 2151 - 03/08/2022 17:09:48 2436073 Link
Replying To GreenandRed: "Off topic but can a player handpass a ball to a player who connects with his foot and score a goal? Thinking dummying a fisted point, handpass to a teammate who volleys the pass to the net." That's definitely legal. No issue with that at all. Player 1 has passed it to another using a handpass. Player 2 can kick it, punch it or palm it into the net from there. WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2319 - 03/08/2022 18:30:25 2436082 Link
Replying To Canuck: "No question legal. You can hit the ball with what ever you want into the goal as long as you don't touch the ball on the ground with your hand." You can score a goal by playing the ball on the ground with the hand once you had possession of the ball when you went to ground reffingmad (Roscommon) - Posts: 378 - 03/08/2022 19:15:55 2436093 Link
Replying To Aibrean: "A player, in possession of the ball, hops the ball on the ground and, without catching the ball, fists it to the net. Legal goal or not?" Not a ref but I would think illegal, the bounce and catch is ok but a bounce and then play the ball would be a throw ball in the first place. Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2291 - 03/08/2022 19:38:40 2436097 Link
Replying To Pikeman96: "In the second case - no, it wouldn't be allowed, as that would be a throw as defined in the rulebook: THROW when the ball, held in the hand(s), is played away without a definite striking action You can't score a goal from a throw." But the ball wouldnt be in the hands. It's be in 1 hand pushed to the ground and after bouncing on the ground into the net. I would say that would be a legit goal. Meridian (Westmeath) - Posts: 676 - 04/08/2022 09:48:10 2436127 Link
Can an outfield player use a kicking tee when taking a kick out reffingmad (Roscommon) - Posts: 378 - 04/08/2022 11:42:36 2436159 Link
Replying To reffingmad: "You can score a goal by playing the ball on the ground with the hand once you had possession of the ball when you went to ground" Never knew that. When I played any contact with the hand and ball on the ground was a free. You would hear people ask what happened there. The answer you'd get is he touched it on the ground. Must have changed without I noticing it. Of course picking with the toe is now just semantics. Which is the same as touching it on the ground. Thanks for the heads up. Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 3039 - 04/08/2022 19:06:59 2436251 Link