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A Title Of Substance

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McStay in today's Irish Times notes, correctly, that, due to beating Mayo, Dublin and Galwaay, Kerry had won a "title of substance".

And I agree, 100%. Nothing easy in any of those games.

I wish Tyrone would win one of them substantial final sometime, seeing as merely beating Donegal, Monaghan, Kerry and Mayo was a handy All Ireland.

LOL

points50swiththeargyllsonthewrongfeet (Tyrone) - Posts: 293 - 26/07/2022 20:15:15    2434708

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Question for Kerry people - does this AI (beating Dublin along the way) rank above 2014?

Cbar (Mayo) - Posts: 352 - 27/07/2022 09:24:00    2434746

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You can only beat what is in front of you.

ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1337 - 27/07/2022 11:30:40    2434810

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Replying To points50swiththeargyllsonthewrongfeet:  "McStay in today's Irish Times notes, correctly, that, due to beating Mayo, Dublin and Galwaay, Kerry had won a "title of substance".

And I agree, 100%. Nothing easy in any of those games.

I wish Tyrone would win one of them substantial final sometime, seeing as merely beating Donegal, Monaghan, Kerry and Mayo was a handy All Ireland.

LOL"
Every title is a title of substance.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6178 - 27/07/2022 11:48:47    2434820

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Replying To points50swiththeargyllsonthewrongfeet:  "McStay in today's Irish Times notes, correctly, that, due to beating Mayo, Dublin and Galwaay, Kerry had won a "title of substance".

And I agree, 100%. Nothing easy in any of those games.

I wish Tyrone would win one of them substantial final sometime, seeing as merely beating Donegal, Monaghan, Kerry and Mayo was a handy All Ireland.

LOL"
Did anyone say it was a handy all Ireland last year?

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1942 - 27/07/2022 12:11:48    2434830

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Replying To points50swiththeargyllsonthewrongfeet:  "McStay in today's Irish Times notes, correctly, that, due to beating Mayo, Dublin and Galwaay, Kerry had won a "title of substance".

And I agree, 100%. Nothing easy in any of those games.

I wish Tyrone would win one of them substantial final sometime, seeing as merely beating Donegal, Monaghan, Kerry and Mayo was a handy All Ireland.

LOL"
Did yis get a bye against the reigning Ulster champions or what?

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12332 - 27/07/2022 12:40:53    2434834

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Tyrone beat Cavan , Donegal, Monaghan , Kerry and Mayo to land the Anglo Celt and Sam Maguire in 2021. Won on merit and deserved their success.

Curlew66 (Roscommon) - Posts: 604 - 27/07/2022 17:46:50    2434941

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Replying To ExiledInWex:  "You can only beat what is in front of you."
I agree. Wins and losses are dtermined by scoring differences. You score more you are awarded the game. No matter who you outscore in the final either you or your opponent has outscored great teams to get there. Would Kerry have defeated Derry or Galway defeated Dublin? We will never know. You get there on merit and thats all that counts.

Gaa Fan (USA) - Posts: 763 - 28/07/2022 20:05:21    2435162

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Replying To Curlew66:  "Tyrone beat Cavan , Donegal, Monaghan , Kerry and Mayo to land the Anglo Celt and Sam Maguire in 2021. Won on merit and deserved their success."
All , All Irelands are hard won , I was speeking to a Kerry man at this years final, and one feather thats missing in their cap, they have never beat Down in Cship football, I know weve only played each other about 5 times in Cship, but it still wrangles with that man LOL

germac (Down) - Posts: 561 - 28/07/2022 21:07:21    2435164

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Replying To germac:  "All , All Irelands are hard won , I was speeking to a Kerry man at this years final, and one feather thats missing in their cap, they have never beat Down in Cship football, I know weve only played each other about 5 times in Cship, but it still wrangles with that man LOL"
If you want to keep that record going better stay in the Tailteann Cup for the next few years then and avoid them until Down football gets its house back in order.

benched (Tyrone) - Posts: 534 - 29/07/2022 10:27:24    2435194

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All All Ireland wins are "Titles of substance"
I've never yet seen a list of All Ireland Titles without substance

Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 2293 - 29/07/2022 11:09:09    2435201

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Replying To Cbar:  "Question for Kerry people - does this AI (beating Dublin along the way) rank above 2014?"
It probably does rank a little higher but 2014 was a real tough All Ireland to win for Kerry too. We had to go to a replay and extra time to beat Mayo in a classic and tbh we got the rub of the green with a few decisions. Mayo were very unlucky. Then we had a dogfight against a top Donegal team who were also very unlucky so it was a special win. Donegal outscored us in final but we got two goals one of them from a Donegal mistake. Every all Ireland is special but the latest is always nice and to beat Dublin and Galway is such tight games was great. Not good for the heart though.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3913 - 29/07/2022 12:11:13    2435208

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Replying To germac:  "All , All Irelands are hard won , I was speeking to a Kerry man at this years final, and one feather thats missing in their cap, they have never beat Down in Cship football, I know weve only played each other about 5 times in Cship, but it still wrangles with that man LOL"
Gernac I'm afraid that's a fact and Kerry would love to get a victory over Down. Funny enough Kerry have great admiration for Down football. Everytime we meet you like 1991 and 2010 you have a strong team and beat us. I have to admit though I always liked Down and they produced footballers I always loved like Colm McAlarney Liam Austin John McCarten Mickey Linden James McCarten Conor Deegan Greg Blaney and of course Benny Coulter and Marty Clarke. Class!

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3913 - 29/07/2022 12:17:02    2435210

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Replying To Seanfanbocht:  "All All Ireland wins are "Titles of substance"
I've never yet seen a list of All Ireland Titles without substance"
Just some have more substance than others.
Eg. If a team play maybe one away game against a complete underdog and every other game at home to win an all ireland its nonsense compared with a team that wins it without playing any home game.
One is a fairly underwhelming achievement from a neutral pov.. the other deserves massive credit.

cuttothebone (Kildare) - Posts: 168 - 29/07/2022 12:28:55    2435212

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "It probably does rank a little higher but 2014 was a real tough All Ireland to win for Kerry too. We had to go to a replay and extra time to beat Mayo in a classic and tbh we got the rub of the green with a few decisions. Mayo were very unlucky. Then we had a dogfight against a top Donegal team who were also very unlucky so it was a special win. Donegal outscored us in final but we got two goals one of them from a Donegal mistake. Every all Ireland is special but the latest is always nice and to beat Dublin and Galway is such tight games was great. Not good for the heart though."
The impression I had from some Kerry people was that it didn't mean as much, as though there was an * beside that 2014 title because of not beating Dublin... mind you I don't know any other county that would care!

I haven't read McStays article but i wondered if that is what he was getting at

And I don't need reminding of that game in Limerick and while i was obviously on the wrong side i do believe it was one of the best sporting occasions i was ever at, a great advertisement to get some games out of CP which has not been followed up on

Cbar (Mayo) - Posts: 352 - 29/07/2022 12:35:45    2435213

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Replying To points50swiththeargyllsonthewrongfeet:  "McStay in today's Irish Times notes, correctly, that, due to beating Mayo, Dublin and Galwaay, Kerry had won a "title of substance".

And I agree, 100%. Nothing easy in any of those games.

I wish Tyrone would win one of them substantial final sometime, seeing as merely beating Donegal, Monaghan, Kerry and Mayo was a handy All Ireland.

LOL"
You could say the Tyrone team of the first decade of this century won a few titles of sustance the way they beat the other great team around in this era (Kerry) for each title won.
When people consider who was the team of that decade do you consider the fact that Tyrone in that era won more titanic games in winning their 3 titles better than Kerry's 5 titles (Kerry were in the mix other years when losing these same titanic games)?.

bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1413 - 29/07/2022 14:06:39    2435232

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Replying To Cbar:  "The impression I had from some Kerry people was that it didn't mean as much, as though there was an * beside that 2014 title because of not beating Dublin... mind you I don't know any other county that would care!

I haven't read McStays article but i wondered if that is what he was getting at

And I don't need reminding of that game in Limerick and while i was obviously on the wrong side i do believe it was one of the best sporting occasions i was ever at, a great advertisement to get some games out of CP which has not been followed up on"
Not at all and besides in 2014 Dublin had nt even began their 6 in a row run. Oh look maybe some think different but the people I know were thrilled to win Sam in 24 as in this year. Every year is special. Most of the time it's outside influences that throw out these narratives. Paper never refused ink.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3913 - 29/07/2022 14:14:12    2435235

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Replying To Cbar:  "The impression I had from some Kerry people was that it didn't mean as much, as though there was an * beside that 2014 title because of not beating Dublin... mind you I don't know any other county that would care!

I haven't read McStays article but i wondered if that is what he was getting at

And I don't need reminding of that game in Limerick and while i was obviously on the wrong side i do believe it was one of the best sporting occasions i was ever at, a great advertisement to get some games out of CP which has not been followed up on"
I can't understand why the All-Ireland quarter-finals can't be taken around the country. It would promote football and would be a great boost to local economics

This year for example you could have had:

Kerry v Mayo in Limerick.
Dublin v Cork in Thurles (or the Pairc)

But county boards don't seem to be pushing for this.

bruffgael (Limerick) - Posts: 209 - 29/07/2022 14:20:11    2435236

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Replying To bruffgael:  "I can't understand why the All-Ireland quarter-finals can't be taken around the country. It would promote football and would be a great boost to local economics

This year for example you could have had:

Kerry v Mayo in Limerick.
Dublin v Cork in Thurles (or the Pairc)

But county boards don't seem to be pushing for this."
Next year's Rules for Tailteann has the Group winners having home venues in Quarters.
Needless to say no such stipulation for Sam.

Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 2293 - 29/07/2022 14:40:18    2435241

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Replying To bruffgael:  "I can't understand why the All-Ireland quarter-finals can't be taken around the country. It would promote football and would be a great boost to local economics

This year for example you could have had:

Kerry v Mayo in Limerick.
Dublin v Cork in Thurles (or the Pairc)

But county boards don't seem to be pushing for this."
There is no reason why it can't be done. Some of the best games atmosphere wise can be jn big county grounds. The two Dublin Kerry quarter final games in Thurles in 01 had a brilliant atmosphere and I've never come across the atmosphere and tension that was in Limerick in 14 between Kerry and Mayo. Unreal.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3913 - 29/07/2022 14:55:40    2435248

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