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Galway V Kerry All Ireland Final 2022

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Replying To Waveitwide:  "So you are saying 99 times out of 100 the free is awarded wrongly.If that is the case why did it take so long for a top tier referee to put it right and strangely on all Ireland final day and at a crucial time in the match.We see it match after match if the forward had the ball and pulled the defenders arm in he would be rolling around the place and would have got a free straight away.Ref got that decision wrong and as to the goalie getting a black card, he had 2 umpires 5 yards away from the incident they should have called it."
I was plain to see that the Galway player was holding his opponent by the arm, not just grab and let go.
If he did not make the call he should not be on the field.
It did not cost Galway the game as the number of Kerry players not up to snuff on the day did not cost Kerry the game. Bottom line is that on the day more Kerry players produced than did their opponents, O'Brien, two Cliffords, two Spillanes, Foley, G'Sullivan, Murphy, Burns.

Gaa Fan (USA) - Posts: 763 - 25/07/2022 18:17:11    2434403

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Replying To Breffni1969:  "I'm not critical of the keeper but am critical of the man who put him there.
He was an accident waiting to happen all year. Joyce made no attempt to fix it .
His short kick out has been chronic all year long for an inter county goalkeeper.
And what does he do yesterday when the game is in the melting pot only take a short kick out with a player inside the 20 M line behind him. Ref throws the ball up and Kerry score.
That's inexcusable where he's my brother or sister.!!
Joyce might have been a good footballer but he's a long way to go to been an inter county Manager.
Jack o Connor saw the weakness in the Galway keeper and exploited it. When the keeper went long Kerry won everything in the first half. Poor shooting cost them a 5point lead at half time.
When the keeper went short it was like a comedy scene.
This been happening since the Mayo game.
You don't win an All Ireland without a Goalkeeper ."
Telling it like it is here. The Kerry keeper no great shakes either but I believe it's the number one issue for Galway to look at for next year

smallfrank (Galway) - Posts: 506 - 25/07/2022 18:22:27    2434404

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Replying To festinog:  "I agree with most of what you write, I'd just make two points:
Gleeson, fair play to him, isn't the number one goalie. The lad had to step up when we lost Bernie Power to injury in the league.
Clifford was kept to three points from play. I'd say that's pretty effective marking. Kerry's defensive system was more effective to be sure, but I'd not say Kelly wasn't effective.

It was a game of small margins, and Kerry had the resources to get over the line. At the end of the day we only lost by 3 after going scoreless for nearly 20 minutes. Both teams played strong, clean football. I thought of the initial 15, man-for-man they were evenly matched. The difference, as you rightly say, was the strength Kerry could pull from the bench, something we lacked. I'd also say that Comer and Finnerty won't be happy at how they were marked out of the game, and that experience will stand nicely to them and the management team.

Well done Kerry on the win. Hard fought and well earned."
Lost Conor Flaherty not Bernie Power to injury in league final.

Alwaysencourage (Galway) - Posts: 430 - 25/07/2022 18:35:34    2434408

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Replying To Waveitwide:  "So you are saying 99 times out of 100 the free is awarded wrongly.If that is the case why did it take so long for a top tier referee to put it right and strangely on all Ireland final day and at a crucial time in the match.We see it match after match if the forward had the ball and pulled the defenders arm in he would be rolling around the place and would have got a free straight away.Ref got that decision wrong and as to the goalie getting a black card, he had 2 umpires 5 yards away from the incident they should have called it."
The ref over all did a good job. We will never know what either incorrect decision would have had on the game. It was misfortunate the free called was at a critical point in the game because of its impact on the score board and had a score recorded. The missed black card less conclusive of how it might effect the game and a legitimate score resulted from the foul involved. So all in all Galway can be more aggrieved but Kerry pulled away and as our Limerick friend said the best team always wins or in my opinion most of the anyway.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 3039 - 25/07/2022 18:38:12    2434409

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Replying To Waveitwide:  "Third man tackle"
There is no such infraction. Two players are legitimately charge (shoulser) from either side simultaneously provided both are shoulder to shoulder.

Gaa Fan (USA) - Posts: 763 - 25/07/2022 18:42:49    2434410

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Tough to take that defeat but we need a few more lads and are not far off Kerry and Dublin. With Roscommon not progressing and Mayo needing to rebuild Galways aims for 2023 should be retain Division 1, win Connacht and get to another final. Mulkerrins at 3, let Gleeson battle for his place as changing goalies doesnt always work and coax a few lads back.

PancakeWard (Galway) - Posts: 86 - 25/07/2022 18:43:02    2434411

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Replying To Breffni1969:  "I'm not critical of the keeper but am critical of the man who put him there.
He was an accident waiting to happen all year. Joyce made no attempt to fix it .
His short kick out has been chronic all year long for an inter county goalkeeper.
And what does he do yesterday when the game is in the melting pot only take a short kick out with a player inside the 20 M line behind him. Ref throws the ball up and Kerry score.
That's inexcusable where he's my brother or sister.!!
Joyce might have been a good footballer but he's a long way to go to been an inter county Manager.
Jack o Connor saw the weakness in the Galway keeper and exploited it. When the keeper went long Kerry won everything in the first half. Poor shooting cost them a 5point lead at half time.
When the keeper went short it was like a comedy scene.
This been happening since the Mayo game.
You don't win an All Ireland without a Goalkeeper ."
You're assuming that Pádraig Joyce had a fully fit alternative experienced and better goalkeeper to replace him with. Gleeson didn't concede a goal yesterday, in an All Ireland final, not an insignificant metric for the keeper of the goal. Kerry minimising the effect of Galway attackers outside of Walsh and McDaid, and Kerry's fitness and bench were a bigger influence on the result than Gleeson's performance. He gambled twice coming off his line and kept the goal intact. Kept a clean sheet on April 24th too. Pádraig Joyce managed Galway for two years of shortened COVID seasons, then got them to their first All Ireland final in 21 years. If he's not an intercounty manager it doesn't say much about about the rest of the intercounty managers.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7975 - 25/07/2022 21:11:02    2434430

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Replying To Pope_Benedict:  "Remarkably, despite 'running on fumes', and someone said, only scoring 0-2 in the last 18 minutes of football, THE SCORE WAS LEVEL 0-16 each at 66:00mins, when the dubious free was awarded. I've no issues with the ref, I thought he had a good game.

The point I wanted to make was that RTE had a lot of pundits on their panel last night, but all of them seemed to have a DISBELIEF about how close the match was. Colm O'Rourke stated that that the match was level up to the 62nd minute, and he wasn't corrected. Eamonn Fitz went into another 'timezone' altogether, and stated at another juncture that the match was level up to the 54th minute!! No wonder Kerry were 'in shock' up to HT yesterday. Fitzy was still 'fuzzy' at the Sunday Game.

McStay was 'professional' on co-comm, for a lad that badly wanted Galway not to win. His 'anxiety level' seemed to peak at that 66th minute 'award', when he positively 'wet himself' to support the referee's decision. Even a plea from comm Darragh Maloney on behalf of the Galway defender's case was brusquely dismissed by McStay. As I've said many a time, you can't hide what's in your gut about a result in the clutch. McStay's mask didn't slip too often, but it slipped alright."
It was a soft free for sure but Comer did touch it on the ground just before that.. The shoulder on McDaid was a soft free as well but swings and roundabouts as they say..

unclegerry (Mayo) - Posts: 1223 - 25/07/2022 21:56:06    2434434

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Replying To PancakeWard:  "Tough to take that defeat but we need a few more lads and are not far off Kerry and Dublin. With Roscommon not progressing and Mayo needing to rebuild Galways aims for 2023 should be retain Division 1, win Connacht and get to another final. Mulkerrins at 3, let Gleeson battle for his place as changing goalies doesnt always work and coax a few lads back."
Cooke needed back given Conroy probably has limited time in his legs left. Young McLaughlin would be a serious option as well. Missed the entire championship due to a quad injury. Mulkerrin back might release Kelly further up the field which he's probably more suited to than full-back.

Marooned (Galway) - Posts: 2383 - 25/07/2022 21:58:09    2434436

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "You're assuming that Pádraig Joyce had a fully fit alternative experienced and better goalkeeper to replace him with. Gleeson didn't concede a goal yesterday, in an All Ireland final, not an insignificant metric for the keeper of the goal. Kerry minimising the effect of Galway attackers outside of Walsh and McDaid, and Kerry's fitness and bench were a bigger influence on the result than Gleeson's performance. He gambled twice coming off his line and kept the goal intact. Kept a clean sheet on April 24th too. Pádraig Joyce managed Galway for two years of shortened COVID seasons, then got them to their first All Ireland final in 21 years. If he's not an intercounty manager it doesn't say much about about the rest of the intercounty managers."
Gleeson didn't have a shot to stop in that All Ireland Final.
Neither keeper did.

StopTheLights (Galway) - Posts: 406 - 26/07/2022 08:43:30    2434443

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Replying To festinog:  "I agree with most of what you write, I'd just make two points:
Gleeson, fair play to him, isn't the number one goalie. The lad had to step up when we lost Bernie Power to injury in the league.
Clifford was kept to three points from play. I'd say that's pretty effective marking. Kerry's defensive system was more effective to be sure, but I'd not say Kelly wasn't effective.

It was a game of small margins, and Kerry had the resources to get over the line. At the end of the day we only lost by 3 after going scoreless for nearly 20 minutes. Both teams played strong, clean football. I thought of the initial 15, man-for-man they were evenly matched. The difference, as you rightly say, was the strength Kerry could pull from the bench, something we lacked. I'd also say that Comer and Finnerty won't be happy at how they were marked out of the game, and that experience will stand nicely to them and the management team.

Well done Kerry on the win. Hard fought and well earned."
Ok, Gleeson probably wouldn't be first choice, all things being equal. But it seems to me like Galway have been chopping and changing their goalie for the last ten years. All fine and well to say that he had to step up, but it's been done in the past. Alan Keane for instance wasn't first choice before Galway won Sam in 2001?

On Clifford, I would also beg to differ a little bit. To me, scoring off a mark should be considered a point from open play, given that you have to win your own ball first to get the free shot at goal. Clifford scored three from open play, two marks and three frees. And those marks were monster takes to be fair.

Kelly is a Rolls Royce of a footballer, who's at his best with wide open country ahead of him. I get that Galway lost Mulkerrins to injury this year, so maybe next season he will be played further up the pitch.

Benches win games these days, given the increased physical demands of Gaelic football, longer matches etc. It was where we fell down against the Dubs and was probably a factor for Galway at the weekend. Joyce probably needs to develop more squad depth, but that might come with some of the recent All-Ireland winning underage sides entering the fold in the years to come.

Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts: 2208 - 26/07/2022 09:04:17    2434445

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "You're assuming that Pádraig Joyce had a fully fit alternative experienced and better goalkeeper to replace him with. Gleeson didn't concede a goal yesterday, in an All Ireland final, not an insignificant metric for the keeper of the goal. Kerry minimising the effect of Galway attackers outside of Walsh and McDaid, and Kerry's fitness and bench were a bigger influence on the result than Gleeson's performance. He gambled twice coming off his line and kept the goal intact. Kept a clean sheet on April 24th too. Pádraig Joyce managed Galway for two years of shortened COVID seasons, then got them to their first All Ireland final in 21 years. If he's not an intercounty manager it doesn't say much about about the rest of the intercounty managers."
He didn't concede a goal because he had a heavy defensive presence in front of him, and because on the couple of occasions Kerry got through, they elected to punch the ball over the bar. He was also lucky not to be black carded when hauling down a Kerry attacker in the second half.

I wouldn't say he was to blame for Galway losing but he definitely had looked jittery at times all year, in the Armagh game in particular.

Jury is out on Joyce, had a good year but the tactical changes made have also coincided with Cian O'Neill coming on board.

Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts: 2208 - 26/07/2022 09:09:26    2434447

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "No Sir. By '73 we had seven All Irelands, when Galway had a sole one. We were beaten in '80, '94, '96 and '07, by better teams- end of story. Simply said hurling did not start in '40, '80 or 2018.
As regards yesterday, Galway went in as underdogs, but performed very well for fifty minutes and with a few breaks going their way could have won that game. However, as always the better team won."
This thread is about Gaelic football and in this instance Galway people's reaction to a poster from Limerick who tried to belittle both Galway and Connacht. By 1966 Galway had won 7 All Irelands. The story of hurling in Galway and Connacht is very different, not comparable. I don't want to start a discussion on hurling here just to say that since Galway didn't have competing rivals in the province their energies and interests remained true to the way the game was played before the GAA was formed i.e club hurling and that was the case until the 1970s.

baire (Galway) - Posts: 1849 - 26/07/2022 09:09:34    2434448

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I thought Galway really put it up to Kerry.

However the real turning point was the free against John Daly (right or wrong I'm not debating). Galway were after scoring 2 in a row and then the had to chase again with 3 minutes of normal time left.

I felt Galway panicked. With more experience they would have realised there was likely to be 5 minutes extra so they probably had 8 or 9 minutes.

Kerry picked us off when we threw everything forward.

Mayonman (Galway) - Posts: 1920 - 26/07/2022 10:26:31    2434467

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Replying To baire:  ""Kerry would argue that they themselves were unfortunate to have a free scored against them in the 64th minute when Gavin White performed a perfectly legal shoulder on Cillian McDaid. The problem with that is McDaid collided into Jack Barry and as the Galway midfielder was sandwiched and had no opportunity to fall from the tackle it was a free". Brian Gavin, Irish Examiner, Mon 25 July 2022."
Nonsense, it was a blatant foul by White. A dangerous tackle and he should have been carded for it, maybe even red.

galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 2614 - 26/07/2022 10:34:25    2434471

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Well done to Kerry. In the last 15 minutes they upped their game and won it. I feel sorry for Galway. TBH their forwards dident all have a good day. Walsh stoid out as he was totally amazing. I think that they got two decisions made against them that were incorrect. The sandwich one and another one. Having said that I thought the referee had a great game. Was in the background and not seeking the limelight. He's the proper type for major matches.

border Gael (Monaghan) - Posts: 910 - 26/07/2022 10:47:42    2434477

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Replying To galwayford:  "Nonsense, it was a blatant foul by White. A dangerous tackle and he should have been carded for it, maybe even red."
It was a perfect shoulder. Because other lad was the other side it looked worse. But look at replay, it was a perfect shoulder challenge.

howdareu (USA) - Posts: 220 - 26/07/2022 11:06:05    2434481

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Replying To howdareu:  "It was a perfect shoulder. Because other lad was the other side it looked worse. But look at replay, it was a perfect shoulder challenge."
I'm sure he is trolling saying it could have been a red, not even a free. Coaching manuals are written about both that shoulder and the block it first half

reffingmad (Roscommon) - Posts: 378 - 26/07/2022 11:42:40    2434498

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Replying To howdareu:  "It was a perfect shoulder. Because other lad was the other side it looked worse. But look at replay, it was a perfect shoulder challenge."
Looked like a sandwich as it happened live and probably more so as the Ref saw it.
However the replay showed otherwise.

Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 2293 - 26/07/2022 11:47:37    2434499

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Replying To StopTheLights:  "Gleeson didn't have a shot to stop in that All Ireland Final.
Neither keeper did."
Exactly. So even if the Galway goalie had been black-carded, it probably would have made little difference. I agree the ref did well overall. Generally, he didn't blow for fussy stuff - so it was all the more surprising that Kerry got that 17th point free, as it was untypical of how he was refereeing the match overall. Overall, the 2 Tyrone guys, him and Tally, didn't do Kerry any harm this year! Kerry's defence stats speak for themselves this year - I think just 3 goals all year, in both league and c'ship - a fine record, especially when you consider that, the previous year, Tyrone got 3 goals v Kerry in just one game. The rest of the country now needs to hope that Kerry will go back to traditional football, where defending is not that important and sort of looks after itself lol ... Kerry will play with more authority, now that they have the Dublin monkey off the back etc, so they will be v hard to stop next year. Success weakens Tyrone; but it strengthens Kerry.

points50swiththeargyllsonthewrongfeet (Tyrone) - Posts: 293 - 26/07/2022 11:49:44    2434502

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