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Both Dublin and Derry were guilty of this last weekend but the offences were ignored by the referees.
In particular, Seán O Sé's free should have have been brought forward by 13m as at least one Dublin player was waving his hands. This is a foul per 4.19 of the playing rules: "To interfere with a player taking a free kick or sideline kick by jumping up and down, waving hands, or any other physical or verbal interference considered by the referee to be aimed at distracting the player taking the kick".
David Gough has acted on this.
Of course, quite apart from the rules, it's pretty unsporting behaviour.
Aibrean (Kerry) - Posts: 263 - 12/07/2022 16:41:52
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Replying To Aibrean: "Both Dublin and Derry were guilty of this last weekend but the offences were ignored by the referees.
In particular, Seán O Sé's free should have have been brought forward by 13m as at least one Dublin player was waving his hands. This is a foul per 4.19 of the playing rules: "To interfere with a player taking a free kick or sideline kick by jumping up and down, waving hands, or any other physical or verbal interference considered by the referee to be aimed at distracting the player taking the kick".
David Gough has acted on this.
Of course, quite apart from the rules, it's pretty unsporting behaviour." Also, the Dublin keeper shaking the goal post. Was he trying to take it back to Ballymun?
peiledoir20 (Donegal) - Posts: 805 - 12/07/2022 19:27:11
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Replying To Aibrean: "Both Dublin and Derry were guilty of this last weekend but the offences were ignored by the referees.
In particular, Seán O Sé's free should have have been brought forward by 13m as at least one Dublin player was waving his hands. This is a foul per 4.19 of the playing rules: "To interfere with a player taking a free kick or sideline kick by jumping up and down, waving hands, or any other physical or verbal interference considered by the referee to be aimed at distracting the player taking the kick".
David Gough has acted on this.
Of course, quite apart from the rules, it's pretty unsporting behaviour." Not to mention Comerford out of goals and rattling the posts for the same free.
festinog (Galway) - Posts: 3097 - 12/07/2022 20:30:04
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Mother of god, are you trying to sanitise the game altogether? The game on Sunday was played in good spirit - hard, fair, honest.
It was a pleasure to be there and witness it.
Should the crowd stay mute also like rugby, with their annoying "shhhhh......" because Sexton is lining up a kick in a Pro 12 game that hardly anyone cares about?
I don't see why anybody would have a problem with a player waving hands, shaking goal posts, etc. I draw the line at
anybody throwing anything at the free taker though and do not like that behaviour.
The level of sportsmanship at the end was top notch also. Hand shakes all round and massive respect between both teams. Some other counties could take note of the behaviour.
ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1132 - 13/07/2022 10:12:29
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Replying To ExiledInWex: "Mother of god, are you trying to sanitise the game altogether? The game on Sunday was played in good spirit - hard, fair, honest.
It was a pleasure to be there and witness it.
Should the crowd stay mute also like rugby, with their annoying "shhhhh......" because Sexton is lining up a kick in a Pro 12 game that hardly anyone cares about?
I don't see why anybody would have a problem with a player waving hands, shaking goal posts, etc. I draw the line at
anybody throwing anything at the free taker though and do not like that behaviour.
The level of sportsmanship at the end was top notch also. Hand shakes all round and massive respect between both teams. Some other counties could take note of the behaviour." Lee Keegan throwing the gps at Rock and Tommy Walsh getting ready to lift up David Moran up rugby for Dean Rock's missed free in 2019 are two more examples of this. I think every team and player would do anything to put off opponents taking frees.
CartaDubh (Clare) - Posts: 51 - 13/07/2022 10:58:39
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Nobody should be interfering with anybody. It is abuse
LslashersFanatic (Longford) - Posts: 22 - 13/07/2022 11:31:59
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I'd agree it needs to stop. I don't think it looks good and the rule is rarely enforced. We even see it on the kickout with 3/4 forwards waving both hands trying to distract the keeper. It's supposed to be a free out 13m more advantageous.
It's one of a number of rules that are rarely enforced,namely;
1) Being 13m from the free taker when receiving the ball - 13m is farther than you might think. Use the 13m to the endline as a guide. It's 20m in hurliing!
2) Players not involved in a throw in not being 13m away. It seems to be impossible to enforce in hurling, whatever about football.
3) Goalkeepers coming off the line for penalties. Can be difficult to spot but sometimes fairly clear. Cluxton in the 2019 drawn final and Comerford last Sunday. (I'm not deliberately picking on Dublin gks!)
4) Players preventing the quick free being taken - all sorts of tactics used for this one.
Btw, shaking the posts is a yellow card offence only.
Entering the pitch for s sideline kick was clamped down on about 10 years ago. You rarely see issues with it now. So it can be done.
Sindar (Roscommon) - Posts: 348 - 13/07/2022 11:43:26
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The position frees are taken from also needs to be looked at. Out the field there should be a bit of grace allowed especially if the taker is been held or has taken a step or two during the foul.
The amount of frees been taken from the hands and the free taker is allowed to steal as much ground as he likes to improve the angle or shorten the distance is crazy and it never seems to be pulled.
RHF (Cavan) - Posts: 848 - 13/07/2022 12:07:44
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Replying To RHF: "The position frees are taken from also needs to be looked at. Out the field there should be a bit of grace allowed especially if the taker is been held or has taken a step or two during the foul.
The amount of frees been taken from the hands and the free taker is allowed to steal as much ground as he likes to improve the angle or shorten the distance is crazy and it never seems to be pulled." Absolutely.
Time for the oul soccer canister!
Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1426 - 13/07/2022 12:49:46
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Replying To Sindar: "I'd agree it needs to stop. I don't think it looks good and the rule is rarely enforced. We even see it on the kickout with 3/4 forwards waving both hands trying to distract the keeper. It's supposed to be a free out 13m more advantageous.
It's one of a number of rules that are rarely enforced,namely;
1) Being 13m from the free taker when receiving the ball - 13m is farther than you might think. Use the 13m to the endline as a guide. It's 20m in hurliing!
2) Players not involved in a throw in not being 13m away. It seems to be impossible to enforce in hurling, whatever about football.
3) Goalkeepers coming off the line for penalties. Can be difficult to spot but sometimes fairly clear. Cluxton in the 2019 drawn final and Comerford last Sunday. (I'm not deliberately picking on Dublin gks!)
4) Players preventing the quick free being taken - all sorts of tactics used for this one.
Btw, shaking the posts is a yellow card offence only.
Entering the pitch for s sideline kick was clamped down on about 10 years ago. You rarely see issues with it now. So it can be done." Players not wearing gumshields and keepers coming out side of the small square taking puckouts are two more rules that seem to have died a death too.
Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 1911 - 13/07/2022 13:26:18
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Replying To Sindar: "I'd agree it needs to stop. I don't think it looks good and the rule is rarely enforced. We even see it on the kickout with 3/4 forwards waving both hands trying to distract the keeper. It's supposed to be a free out 13m more advantageous.
It's one of a number of rules that are rarely enforced,namely;
1) Being 13m from the free taker when receiving the ball - 13m is farther than you might think. Use the 13m to the endline as a guide. It's 20m in hurliing!
2) Players not involved in a throw in not being 13m away. It seems to be impossible to enforce in hurling, whatever about football.
3) Goalkeepers coming off the line for penalties. Can be difficult to spot but sometimes fairly clear. Cluxton in the 2019 drawn final and Comerford last Sunday. (I'm not deliberately picking on Dublin gks!)
4) Players preventing the quick free being taken - all sorts of tactics used for this one.
Btw, shaking the posts is a yellow card offence only.
Entering the pitch for s sideline kick was clamped down on about 10 years ago. You rarely see issues with it now. So it can be done." Well sure naming the two Dublin goalies, maybe it doesn't mean you're picking on them, just means you're "choosing" not to pick on any of the many/all other goalies who come off their line, but fair dues it gives us a good insight into your unbiased mindset
sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 684 - 13/07/2022 14:06:06
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Replying To RHF: "The position frees are taken from also needs to be looked at. Out the field there should be a bit of grace allowed especially if the taker is been held or has taken a step or two during the foul.
The amount of frees been taken from the hands and the free taker is allowed to steal as much ground as he likes to improve the angle or shorten the distance is crazy and it never seems to be pulled." I have said this for ages, all teams do it, especially in club games. Time for the shaving foam or some way of marking the spot. Ref moved Morgan back a foot last year v Kerry when he was on half way line yet they pay no heed to players opening up angle of free inside 30 yards.
Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2014 - 13/07/2022 14:11:03
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Replying To Saynothing: "I have said this for ages, all teams do it, especially in club games. Time for the shaving foam or some way of marking the spot. Ref moved Morgan back a foot last year v Kerry when he was on half way line yet they pay no heed to players opening up angle of free inside 30 yards." I have said this for ages, all teams do it, especially in club games. Time for the shaving foam or some way of marking the spot. Ref moved Morgan back a foot last year v Kerry when he was on half way line yet they pay no heed to players opening up angle of free inside 30 yards.
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They will always move it back when it is been kicked from the ground sometimes back further than its rightful spot but from the hands even it's from where ever you fancy.
RHF (Cavan) - Posts: 848 - 13/07/2022 14:41:52
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Replying To ExiledInWex: "Mother of god, are you trying to sanitise the game altogether? The game on Sunday was played in good spirit - hard, fair, honest.
It was a pleasure to be there and witness it.
Should the crowd stay mute also like rugby, with their annoying "shhhhh......" because Sexton is lining up a kick in a Pro 12 game that hardly anyone cares about?
I don't see why anybody would have a problem with a player waving hands, shaking goal posts, etc. I draw the line at
anybody throwing anything at the free taker though and do not like that behaviour.
The level of sportsmanship at the end was top notch also. Hand shakes all round and massive respect between both teams. Some other counties could take note of the behaviour." No need for the petty jibe at rugby and people stay quiet for kicks as a tradition and it can be as offputting for kickers as crowd making lots of noise.
Shaking goal posts is simply bad form/against rules of the sport and should be penalised.
players shouldnt be waving hands to distract free taker either. have hands up if back required distance but otherwise should be stil
KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3510 - 13/07/2022 15:07:58
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I have more of an issue with the players screaming in the opponents ear after they win a free. I absolutely detest it and think that should be a throw-in.
Win your free and shut your trap I say.
ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1132 - 13/07/2022 15:12:31
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Replying To Saynothing: "I have said this for ages, all teams do it, especially in club games. Time for the shaving foam or some way of marking the spot. Ref moved Morgan back a foot last year v Kerry when he was on half way line yet they pay no heed to players opening up angle of free inside 30 yards." The solution is so simple. All free kicks to be taken from the ground. Frees taken from the hand allows the the taker to poach a few yards or get a better angle.
Gaa Fan (USA) - Posts: 749 - 13/07/2022 15:31:39
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Replying To sligo joe: "Well sure naming the two Dublin goalies, maybe it doesn't mean you're picking on them, just means you're "choosing" not to pick on any of the many/all other goalies who come off their line, but fair dues it gives us a good insight into your unbiased mindset" Maybe it's just that Dublin have been in so many major games over the past decade. Take it as a compliment Sligo!
Sindar (Roscommon) - Posts: 348 - 13/07/2022 19:25:58
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Replying To Gaa Fan: "The solution is so simple. All free kicks to be taken from the ground. Frees taken from the hand allows the the taker to poach a few yards or get a better angle." If a team has a poor 'off ground kicker', most do, then all the opponents have to do is keep fouling them when they attack.
JamsieMac (Cavan) - Posts: 481 - 13/07/2022 20:17:29
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Replying To Aibrean: "Both Dublin and Derry were guilty of this last weekend but the offences were ignored by the referees.
In particular, Seán O Sé's free should have have been brought forward by 13m as at least one Dublin player was waving his hands. This is a foul per 4.19 of the playing rules: "To interfere with a player taking a free kick or sideline kick by jumping up and down, waving hands, or any other physical or verbal interference considered by the referee to be aimed at distracting the player taking the kick".
David Gough has acted on this.
Of course, quite apart from the rules, it's pretty unsporting behaviour." Graham O'Sullivan done similar on Barney Rock last Sunday but was ignored. Sean O'Shea should have been black carded for pull-down minutes before the free.
F4 (Kilkenny) - Posts: 47 - 14/07/2022 08:31:10
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Replying To Sindar: "Maybe it's just that Dublin have been in so many major games over the past decade. Take it as a compliment Sligo!" No bother, l don't have a problem with players pushing the boundaries, problem for refs is when a rule like this is pretty much ignored it's unfair to clamp down on a one-off incident. Ye had a Bridget's/Rossie goalie down there a few yrs ago who was an expert at "bending" the rules, thought you might have mentioned him LOL
sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 684 - 14/07/2022 09:43:57
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