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Galway Can Beat Kerry In The Final.

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Galway have everything necessary to win this.
In fact if it's a dirty wet day there will only winner.
And that's the heron chokers.

OhtobeARossie (Roscommon) - Posts: 1764 - 11/07/2022 14:44:01    2431420

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Galway have everything necessary to win this.
In fact if it's a dirty wet day there will only be 1 winner.
And that's the heron chokers.

OhtobeARossie (Roscommon) - Posts: 1764 - 11/07/2022 14:44:32    2431421

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Replying To galwayford:  "Come on Galway. We can do it. We can beat Kerry or run them very close. Believe. The Dubs did not believe today. Galway can score goals. 25 goals this season so far. Gaillimh abú"
The Dubs DID believe, otherwise they would have been beaten out the gate. Galway are a decent side but Clifford on form will be on the winning side.

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8596 - 11/07/2022 14:50:32    2431425

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Replying To tiobraid:  "Personally I thought Dublin were poor for long periods yesterday. No man running off the shoulder and very little direct running...Kerry were set up well but Dublin didnt seem to have willing shooters. I think Galway have that. This is definitely not as clear cut as Galway at 3/1 would suggest. There has been talk of Galway being contenders for a few years now but the clearout seems to have worked wonders and now they are actually real contenders.
I dont think it says that much about Kerry that they struggled past a Dublin team that the likes of an aging Mick Fitz, James McCarthy, Johnny Cooper and Dean Rock are still seen as such vital cogs. There was no cavalry to come on yesterday and stil that game probably should have went to ET. I didnt see a replay of the final free decision but I thought it was a very soft one.
An intriguing game yesterday but Kerry didnt look like world beaters to me."
Dublin played too much lateral and backward ball yesterday compared to when they were in their heyday. In fact it's been a feature of their play this season, and last, when up against another top team.
At the same time yesterday was an important milestone for this Kerry team. It marked the first time that most of then have beaten another top contender in a championship match. That will do wonders for their confidence, even if the Dubs didn't help themselves with the way they set up and the slowness of their transitions both ways.
Kerry are favourites and justifiably so, but Galway are there on merit. They will need goals, which I believe they can get if clinical enough with the chances they will create, and more importantly they will need to keep Kerry outside. If Kerry get goals early and Galway have to chase the game I think Kerry will end up winning by a huge margin.
Hopefully Galway win its always great to see someone apart from Dublin or Kerry winning it!

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12057 - 11/07/2022 15:05:06    2431431

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Suits Galway to be massive underdogs, this will help them. Should be a close game, hard to call.

maroondiesel (Mayo) - Posts: 1197 - 11/07/2022 15:08:01    2431433

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Replying To tiobraid:  "Why do some people think that in a two horse race that sometimes one has "nothing to lose". I've went into finals as underdogs and never once felt that"
Always wondered that myself Tiobraid! They are in an AI final and have winners medals to lose!

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12057 - 11/07/2022 15:08:05    2431434

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I think Kerry have their dander up now and will be hard stopped. 8 years is a long time without winning an All Ireland for Kerry and it's an itch that they need to scratch. Clifford, O'Sé and co are super footballers but they'll know themselves that until they start bringing Sam back to the Kingdom there will be question marks over them. They're a lot more solid at the back this year too. Was the goal conceded yesterday only the second they've conceded all year?

That said, Galway do have the players to hurt them. If Galway get off to a good start and are in the game around the hour mark who knows if some jitters might creep in for Kerry. They kept their composure yesterday when Dublin went at them, but a fit Con would have made a huge difference. Damien Comer is getting his first proper injury free run at things this year. Could he be the man to uspet the favourites?

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9155 - 11/07/2022 15:10:00    2431436

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Replying To Magpie2:  "Don't think so. That game on Saturday was terrible stuff. Ulster was very poor and Derry were negative in the extreme. Comer won't get the freedom of the park against Kerry.
Dublin had a lot of all Ireland medals going into todays match even though they had a good few retirements. Dublin teams always believe they can win and nearly did.
I would confidently predict that Kerry will win by at least 11 points."
I'll be very surprised if its not a close competitive final. First and foremost Galway are not set up to get beaten by at least 11 points by any team. Would need a few send off and system blow out for that to happen.

The_analyser (Roscommon) - Posts: 3764 - 11/07/2022 15:10:35    2431439

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Replying To OhtobeARossie:  "Galway have everything necessary to win this.
In fact if it's a dirty wet day there will only be 1 winner.
And that's the heron chokers."
Thanks. Nice sentiments . Although its been a while since I heard the heron chokers one. I think its actually herrings that we allegedly choke , with it being a reference to the fishing industry. But I'd rather be choking herrings than stealing ( or worse) any farm animal....

anotheralias (Galway) - Posts: 843 - 11/07/2022 15:40:04    2431453

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Replying To OhtobeARossie:  "Galway have everything necessary to win this.
In fact if it's a dirty wet day there will only be 1 winner.
And that's the heron chokers."
For clarity, it's herrings we allegedly choke, not herons (he'll fly before you get the chance to choke him!). Hope the sheep stealers will give the herring chokers a shout on the day ;-)

togoutlads (Galway) - Posts: 908 - 11/07/2022 15:56:25    2431461

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Replying To timmyhogan:  ".

It's your money but 10/3 with PP at the moment is a better bet!
& there will be 7/2 on offer somewhere - or more perhaps before throw in."
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Or to be precise - it's not a better bet necessarily merely a better potential return ;-)

timmyhogan (UK) - Posts: 290 - 11/07/2022 15:59:43    2431462

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Replying To Lockjaw:  "I think Kerry have their dander up now and will be hard stopped. 8 years is a long time without winning an All Ireland for Kerry and it's an itch that they need to scratch. Clifford, O'Sé and co are super footballers but they'll know themselves that until they start bringing Sam back to the Kingdom there will be question marks over them. They're a lot more solid at the back this year too. Was the goal conceded yesterday only the second they've conceded all year?

That said, Galway do have the players to hurt them. If Galway get off to a good start and are in the game around the hour mark who knows if some jitters might creep in for Kerry. They kept their composure yesterday when Dublin went at them, but a fit Con would have made a huge difference. Damien Comer is getting his first proper injury free run at things this year. Could he be the man to uspet the favourites?"
I agree with most of this, and was hoping for a Dublin win yesterday on the basis that the Dubs are at least slightly on the way down and have 6 of the 7 last finals won, they may not have had the same hunger. Kerry are desperate for an All Ireland and take on an air of invincibility on final day against anyone other than the Dubs or Tyrone. Tom Sullivan is likely to have a better game on Shane Walsh than any of the Dublin backs would have. Based on the fact that they have beaten Dublin and are NFL Div 1 champs the Kingdom are rightly favs but I think 1/3 is very short. In Galway's favor, they have beaten last years AI finalists this years NFL runners up Mayo, and have had good wins v Div 1 Armagh (Calamity aside) and Div 1 Ross. The semi V Derry required a particular game plan which worked very well, I expect PJ and Co to have a very different plan the next day.

giveitlong (Galway) - Posts: 1225 - 11/07/2022 16:20:44    2431478

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Kerry will set up defensively again and hit us on the counter. Kelly or silke will take Clifford. Silke is probably a better man marker and did a great job on Ryan O Donoghue against Mayo . It would give Kelly the opportunity to push forward. I'd expect John Daly to restrict O Shea's influence in general play. Daly is arguably the best number 6 in the game and our other backs like Molloy and McHugh won't be spooked on the day.

Galway will be underdogs but we have a fairly decent record against Kerry in Finals. Played 8, 4 wins for Kerry, 3 for Galway and 1 draw. I'd give Galway a great chance. Tom O Sullivan will pair up on Shane Walsh and I'd expect Shane to drift out the field. Sullivan will have to go with him which will create problems for the kerry Full Back who will be left one on one with Comer. That is not a good predicament to be in from a kerry point of view because I don't think there is a full back in the game who can handle Comer in his current form. All the pressure and hype in the lead up to this game will be on Kerry.

I think players like Walsh, Comer, McDaid, finnerty and Conroy will put in a big shift and if that happens, we have a great opportunity. All Irelands are never won until they are won and it would be very foolish to write off Galway like many have already

Reversepass1 (Galway) - Posts: 268 - 11/07/2022 21:23:16    2431548

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written off completely in final which is fair enough, but dont think kery forwards will get same freedom which they did on sunday. are kery midfielders better than galways i dont think so, hoping our forwards can break even. backs will be under pressure of course i can see silke on d clifford. dont think its as much of a landslide as people think

cavan.galway (Galway) - Posts: 185 - 12/07/2022 08:20:30    2431565

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Replying To togoutlads:  "For clarity, it's herrings we allegedly choke, not herons (he'll fly before you get the chance to choke him!). Hope the sheep stealers will give the herring chokers a shout on the day ;-)"
Ye choked the life out of a Heron on Saturday. Poor Benny never got a kick...

ceefarr (Mayo) - Posts: 39 - 12/07/2022 10:39:50    2431596

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Replying To realdub:  "The Dubs DID believe, otherwise they would have been beaten out the gate. Galway are a decent side but Clifford on form will be on the winning side."
Without Con Dublin lacked fire power upfront, a fully fit Comer gives Galway a decent chance.

baire (Galway) - Posts: 1823 - 12/07/2022 11:36:55    2431614

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Replying To togoutlads:  "For clarity, it's herrings we allegedly choke, not herons (he'll fly before you get the chance to choke him!). Hope the sheep stealers will give the herring chokers a shout on the day ;-)"
Seeing as it's Kerry yere playing I'd prefer to see ye winning.
But just for that hour and a half!!

Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1441 - 12/07/2022 11:54:48    2431617

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Replying To cavan.galway:  "written off completely in final which is fair enough, but dont think kery forwards will get same freedom which they did on sunday. are kery midfielders better than galways i dont think so, hoping our forwards can break even. backs will be under pressure of course i can see silke on d clifford. dont think its as much of a landslide as people think"
I dont think Kerry forwards had much freedom on Sunday - certianly not what you are suggesting. They scored 1-10 from play (same as Dublin) yet from memory it was the point misses from Howard, Kilkenny, Fenton, Small and Costello that stand out as the scoreable misses in my memory. Late on it was the Dublin backs who I thought were well on top and turned over a number of attacks.
I thought David Moran had a huge game for Kerry and him going off was a massive loss. He's probably by far their best kick passer in that middle third and he's key to how they play. He got on a huge amount of ball particulalry in the first half. I do think the midfield battle is hard to call and I could see both sides just breaking even there. For what its worth I think Galway have an outstanding chance and I actually do agree that I'd slightly fancy the Galway backs more in one on one scenarios against Kerry than Dublins, but I see it being a real cagey affair and dont expect a classic.
Roscommon had joy late on against Galway when they broke at pace and let the ball in direct so I can see Kerry being more direct in two weeks time.
These managment teams know more than I do but I still feel theres so much to be said for kicking the ball in! If you're unmarked you should be able to kick the ball 30/40 yards giving the forward an 80/20 chance of winning. I'm disappointed Dublin have stopped doing that mostly and go so lateral now like most teams.

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 12/07/2022 12:05:40    2431624

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Replying To Seanfanbocht:  "Seeing as it's Kerry yere playing I'd prefer to see ye winning.
But just for that hour and a half!!"
An hour and a half will do! :)

baire (Galway) - Posts: 1823 - 12/07/2022 12:26:42    2431635

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Replying To ceefarr:  "Ye choked the life out of a Heron on Saturday. Poor Benny never got a kick..."
Good observation, ceefar. Yes, Benny Heron had been fairly talked up over the season and is a quality finisher but he didn't get a sniff.

togoutlads (Galway) - Posts: 908 - 12/07/2022 13:01:28    2431640

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