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Sure Hawkeye is only a cartoon, you might as well use bugs bunny. maroondiesel (Mayo) - Posts: 1218 - 30/07/2024 15:38:24 2563047 Link 2 |
Well then, to be blunt about it....you're wrong. If the ball goes directly over a goalpost, it's not a point. The rule states: 'A point is scored when the ball is played over the crossbar between the posts by either team.' If the ball goes directly over a post, then it clearly hasn't gone between them. The fact that it might have gone between them if the posts were taller and the ball struck one and bounced a certain way is irrelevant. Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2636 - 30/07/2024 15:56:56 2563054 Link 1 |
Is there anyway we can increase height of posts or would they then sway?? jm25 (Galway) - Posts: 1298 - 30/07/2024 15:59:50 2563056 Link 0 |
The rules clearly state that to score a point the ball must pass between the posts. If the ball strikes the upright and is deflected and passes between the posts a point is awarded but if the ball is higher than the upright and over it then it is not deflected and does not pass "between the posts" which the rule says it must for a point to be awarded. I suggest that is why the hawkeye is calibrated to indicate "níl" for a ball striking the virtual continuation of the post, even on the inside. If you have been awarding points for balls travelling over the top of the post I respectfully suggest that you have erred because the rule is clear "the ball must pass between the posts" (whether by deflection or not).
sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 808 - 30/07/2024 16:30:18 2563068 Link 1 |
That may well be the case… it's a call I always make and no referee has ever overruled me on it…. The rule does indeed say the ball must go between the posts but there is nothing to say it can't go between the posts via hitting the post as with the Armagh winner… Hawk eye would disallow that in your opinion…
ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3091 - 30/07/2024 16:51:15 2563076 Link 0 |
And you wonder why football is in a state? When you have the likes of yourself who clearly cannot do the thing right. A ball of any sort going over a post is not a score. A point is awarded when the ball goes over the cross bar and between the posts. It's simple for most people to understand. The system isn't flawed.
Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2162 - 30/07/2024 17:08:08 2563083 Link 1 |
Completely wrong. Not for the first time. Hawkeye determines if ball has cleared bar. Happened in Tipp Wexford semi five years ago.
Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 1933 - 30/07/2024 17:34:38 2563095 Link 1 |
You simply don't know the rules. Ball directly over post is a wide.
Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 1933 - 30/07/2024 17:35:51 2563096 Link 0 |
From plenty angles the ball actually wasn't higher than posts and went between.Hawkeye is a load of rubbish.Saying that we still should have won even without that but we didn't and that's all there is about it.
Alwaysencourage (Galway) - Posts: 369 - 30/07/2024 17:48:09 2563099 Link 2 |
It was a clear score. The GAA went with the cheapest option not the most reliable in Hawkeye. The fact the cartoon looks completely different to the flight of the ball raises many questions. In hurling the ball doesn't moving like in football. How is Hawkeye set up differently for each code?
Kew (Galway) - Posts: 110 - 30/07/2024 18:24:40 2563104 Link 0 |
No it can't … that's the problem with it.. It can only detect if it's over the bar and between the posts but not behind the bar…
ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3091 - 30/07/2024 18:35:29 2563108 Link 0 |
Would it be worth trying a second cross bar at the top of the posts and make that area a clearly defined point scoring zone. In hurling it might actually stop the point bore from 100 yards. MLR (Carlow) - Posts: 77 - 30/07/2024 18:57:35 2563114 Link 0 |
The umpire should be simply able to make the call… In football anyway… The line tracker on the hawk eye showed the ball going inside but came up as a Nil… so the system is plainly flawed unless you are a pure simpleton…
ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3091 - 30/07/2024 19:20:11 2563122 Link 0 |
It was Mickey Harte and Oisin McConville on BBC whose studio is in line with it that both said it was a point. smallfrank (Galway) - Posts: 443 - 30/07/2024 20:43:28 2563135 Link 1 |
???? Why would Hawkeye disallow a point when the ball has gone between the posts? The 'Níl' would come, and correctly so, if the ball had passed directly over a post. I don't know why you're still arguing here. You're clearly wrong, and I'm not the only one pointing that out. Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2636 - 30/07/2024 21:03:45 2563141 Link 0 |
That's a thought I've actually had myself a few times. Make all goalposts a regulation height, and put a second crossbar across the very top of them. Not sure how practical it would be though, if every set of posts in every club ground had to have them. For one thing, probably far more likely that goalposts would be damaged by strong winds in the sort of storms we have every winter. Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2636 - 30/07/2024 21:06:18 2563144 Link 0 |
???? Why would Hawkeye disallow a point when the ball has gone between the posts? The 'Níl' would come, and correctly so, if the ball had passed directly over a post. I don't know why you're still arguing here. You're clearly wrong, and I'm not the only one pointing that out."]But the ball clearly didn't go directly over the post as the guys on BBC clearly showed.. it went inside and Hawk eye put up a NIL… so it is clearly flawed and it's not the first time it got it wrong either… An expensive flop but the GAA hierarchy will never admit to that.. they never get anything wrong you know… ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3091 - 31/07/2024 08:20:44 2563176 Link 0 |
Folks, there are a good number of phone camera views online now from multiple angles all providing the same evidence - that Damien Comer's shot was over the bar. You can say, sure its just phone cameras, but even in video setting they're at a higher resolution than a lot of TV cameras used today. All the detail is online to prove this point - I won't go into pixelation here! togoutlads (Galway) - Posts: 979 - 31/07/2024 10:03:08 2563198 Link 0 |
@ForeverBlue2 - you're flip-flopping between talking about three different things: Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2636 - 31/07/2024 10:55:48 2563207 Link 0 |
???? Why would Hawkeye disallow a point when the ball has gone between the posts? The 'Níl' would come, and correctly so, if the ball had passed directly over a post. I don't know why you're still arguing here. You're clearly wrong, and I'm not the only one pointing that out."]But the ball clearly didn't go directly over the post as the guys on BBC clearly showed.. it went inside and Hawk eye put up a NIL… so it is clearly flawed and it's not the first time it got it wrong either… An expensive flop but the GAA hierarchy will never admit to that.. they never get anything wrong you know…"]Did anyone ever tell you, when you've lost the debate, stop digging, over and out. sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 808 - 31/07/2024 11:03:48 2563209 Link 0 |