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We'll agree to disagree on Horan and Rochford Dan. I think both became too reliant on Cillian's freetaking to his detriment in terms of scores from play and also didn't encourage forwards to take more chances, miss plenty but eventually improve their scoring rates. Nothing against Solan at all but, like the Holmes/Connelly short reign, there was a lot of talk about them knowing a lot of the squad from underage county teams. Not convinced that a new manager is at any great advantage knowing a lot of the squad beforehand. Or if Solan is apponted at least bring in a non-Mayo selector with good knowledge and experience who will advise on potential new players. The last coach we had from outside Mayo got us to a final and the county board ran him, just coached the club All Ireland winners. I've no idea who they'll appoint but I'm open to an outside manager.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7345 - 05/07/2022 14:25:36 2429887 Link 0 |
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Dublin probably were the greatest team of all time however, as Johnny Giles says, you need to take each game on its merits. Dublin were poor in the 2016 drawn final, yet Mayo had such a cautious game plan that we never really attacked them fully. Compare it to the second half + extra time of the semi final last year. In the replayed final Dublin were slightly better, but it certainly wasn't the greatest performance of all time. The penalty incident and black cards to Keegan and Hennelly killed any chance we had of winning and, unfortunately, management take a large portion of the blame there. MayoDan (Mayo) - Posts: 420 - 05/07/2022 16:13:35 2429924 Link 0 |
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That difference is all of those teams aren't a lot different that those they beat. Rochford Mayo sailed close to the win against a number of teams that Mayo should be beaten comfortably and were eventually caught out by Kildare.
Gaa_lover (USA) - Posts: 3347 - 05/07/2022 16:45:49 2429936 Link 0 |
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Horan's game day management cost Mayo All Ireland's. His inability or his unwillingness to make in game changes when it was obvious what needed to be done was shocking. If Mayo had Jim Gavin on the sideline we'd have added 3 more All Ireland's. I will also put our losses on the County Board, I'm getting long in the tooth now but as far back as i can remember their interference has cost us big. cluichethar (Mayo) - Posts: 454 - 05/07/2022 16:53:31 2429942 Link 1 |
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Timed runs is one of the biggest myths in GAA. All look to hit the ground running and if they get a 2nd chance managers and players seek improvement from that loss. Wasn't interested in Connacht is nonsense. Each game Mayo lost in Connacht under Rochford was against Galway and all keenly contested encounters. Mayo v Galway is one of biggest rivalries in GAA no set of players wants to go into work the next day having lost that game. Yondu (UK) - Posts: 845 - 05/07/2022 17:15:45 2429955 Link 0 |
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So county board are influencing the players and backroom team that are picked now. Such nonsense. It's like something you'd hear from Jimmy Sloyan.
MayoDan (Mayo) - Posts: 420 - 06/07/2022 09:58:40 2430008 Link 0 |
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Or Tim O'Leary! The County Board do us no favours at times Dan.. Rochford left in 2018 because the county board didn't agree with his backroom team. The same county board that rejected McStay and McHale's application in 2014, much more experienced coaches, in favour of Noel Connelly and Pat Holmes and Mike Connelly. Noel's brother Mike was, coincentally enough, chairman at the time. All those two are known for is Breheny's article. In 2006 they ran the man who got us to an All Ireland Final in his first and only year in charge in favour of a man who did very little in football terms but got himself elected the week after the Salthill massacre. In fairness O'Mahony was a magnificent mabager in his furst term and as underage manager, a gentleman. It took James Horan to fix that mess. GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7345 - 06/07/2022 11:27:11 2430045 Link 0 |
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Could James be a contender for Dublin role after weekend? F4 (Kilkenny) - Posts: 47 - 08/07/2022 10:14:37 2430415 Link 0 |
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The Mayo County Board have been interfering in the management of the team for decades now. Yes they have been influencing the team selection and also interfering in game day management. Anyone remember the debacle that was failing to score in the second half against Kerry in an All Ireland semi final. Talking to some players after they said the Co. Board nixed taking certain players off. So Dan it isn't nonsense. The Mayo Co. Board in my opinion was, is and always will be a detriment to Mayo winning another All Ireland. I hope the next manager and his back room team will be 100% independent from the Co. Board, I doubt it but I can hope. cluichethar (Mayo) - Posts: 454 - 08/07/2022 14:24:09 2430504 Link 2 |
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Why would James Horan spend 8 years as manager if he didn't have control over team selection? Why didn't Stephen Rochford or Mickey Moran come out and tell everyone that after the county board handled their departures so badly? Sorry, not buying it. MayoDan (Mayo) - Posts: 420 - 08/07/2022 15:08:55 2430511 Link 0 |
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It's a shame if that's the case but it's up to the likes of Horan and Rochford to have the b**ls to call them out on it, publicly if need be. If they decide not to I've no sympathy for them. Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1708 - 10/07/2022 08:07:07 2430934 Link 1 |
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Did we not score in the 2nd half against Kerry in an AI SF.... I don't remember that.... What year?
Cbar (Mayo) - Posts: 308 - 22/07/2022 14:14:21 2433546 Link 0 |
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1981.
Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts: 2208 - 26/07/2022 09:15:28 2434450 Link 1 |
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Fully agree with this, there is nothing they can't make a pig's ear out of. The Mayo County Board has always been, and may well always be, the biggest impediment to our success at national level. Read Keith Duggan's excellent book on Mayo football some years back, and it's been going on since time immemorial. The double winning team in the 1950s had to write an open letter asking them to cop themselves after interference with squad selection and training. They decided to randomly start a novice keeper in the 1950 final and almost lost Mayo the game until Seán Flanagan took control of the situation. Dan O'Neill, a Castlebar man, won Sam with Louth in 1957 after transferring (Seamie O'Donnell another Mayo man on that side). He made it clear that he wouldn't have switched, only for the Co. Board questioning his expenses as he traversed the country to play for Mayo. Scroll forward to the 1980s/90s and you have managers resigning because they weren't allowed to choose their selectors, farcical training sessions in car parks because there was no pitch to play on, etc. 2000s- managers being axed for non-footballing reasons such as their political views. Then we have the absolute fiasco of a having paid way over the odds for a stand and a press box, incurring a massive debt which won't be paid off for 35 years. No one held accountable. This has led to the very unenviable situation whereby the Co. Board is paying €25k per month in repayments for facilities which may well need to be refurbished again in the years to come. The colour of the seats in the main stand aren't even right; neither Castlebar Mitchels nor Mayo play in sky blue. Meanwhile our players are cross-crossing the county for training in any auld field because we have no dedicated training pitch. The likes of Dublin and Kerry have excellent standing facilities, such as Kerry's Centre of Excellence. But our clubs in Co. Mayo have to pay a very heavy burden for such errant decision making at board level. This is not to mention the absolute fiasco that went on around tickets for last year's All-Ireland final, when season ticket holders and club members were played off against each other in the local press. But businesses in the county had no issue accessing tickets, not at all. Then you have people from the board and squad more or less telling fans to be happy with their lot after one of the worst final performances in 15 years. Clueless. Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts: 2208 - 26/07/2022 09:48:13 2434457 Link 0 |
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We have come along way from them dark days.. interference from CB or not
Cbar (Mayo) - Posts: 308 - 26/07/2022 10:28:01 2434469 Link 0 |
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That made me smile. 41 years ago!! The County Board members who allegedly were meddling in team affairs back then must be in nursing home care by now if they are not 6 feet under. And the same culture has continued on unchallenged ever since? If that's the case, every GAA member in the county needs to take a good look at themselves because it is their fault that they have put up with it and haven't changed it. It would be farcical if the allegation continues to be true 41 years on and it sounds to me like another far-fetched conspiracy theory! PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1903 - 26/07/2022 10:32:24 2434470 Link 1 |
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Mostly in spite of the people running things, I would say. The tile situation for replenishing MacHale Park another fiasco, premium members shelling out a grand a piece and they couldn't even get the wall right.
Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts: 2208 - 26/07/2022 11:29:20 2434490 Link 1 |
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I think so too PoolSturgeon. Personally I think that while there might be some things we don't like from the CB, these things are in the end excuses for under-achievement on the field.
Cbar (Mayo) - Posts: 308 - 26/07/2022 12:10:40 2434514 Link 0 |