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Seems as both descriptions could be right. The official name is Republic of Ireland but the constitutional name for the state is Ireland. I'm no expert on the difference so - Don't shoot the messenger.
Freethinker (Wicklow) - Posts: 1152 - 16/07/2023 15:25:51 2494794 Link 0 |
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The constitution has the final say on the name of the state which is Ireland, the 1948 act provided a description of Ireland which they described as a republic or the republic of Ireland. One other point is the Anthem is not enshrined in the constitution, unlike the flag. Its easy to see why people get confused and it doesn't help that soccer uses the description as apposed to the actual name of the country when playing. So the correct way to say it would be - Ireland, the republic of Ireland. Are Soccer the sports organisation that uses the name republic of Ireland?
zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1854 - 16/07/2023 15:28:12 2494795 Link 1 |
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A United Ireland is the will of the majority. There is no "6 counties". This is a fabrication of a foreign power trying to create conflict in order to dominate us. It does not exist. Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3032 - 16/07/2023 16:41:35 2494820 Link 1 |
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Éire competed in euro 88 and wc 90. Plenty of ulster players involved too Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3032 - 16/07/2023 16:47:27 2494826 Link 0 |
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"Northern Ireland" does exist and we voted for that in 1998.
Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1799 - 16/07/2023 16:54:06 2494828 Link 0 |
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There is a little bit of strong opinions and "alternative facts" starting to creep in here to a conversation that started out about an u20 Rugby World Cup final. A remarkable achievement for those young fellows getting there. It just shows how far we still have to travel if we want to live in peace on this island - and be able to enjoy all sports.
Freethinker (Wicklow) - Posts: 1152 - 16/07/2023 17:17:54 2494832 Link 1 |
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There can never be peace in Ireland until the foreign oppressive British presence is removed, leaving all the Irish people as a unit to control their own affairs and determine their own destinies as a sovereign people, free in mind and body, separate and distinct physically, culturally and economically.
Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 2934 - 16/07/2023 18:08:37 2494853 Link 2 |
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The problem here is that some of the partitionist Dublin 4 brigade define "Ireland" as comprising the 26 counties. tireoghainabu (Tyrone) - Posts: 314 - 16/07/2023 18:31:37 2494864 Link 1 |
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As does Bunreacht na hÉireann
Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1799 - 16/07/2023 19:15:02 2494880 Link 1 |
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Articles 2 and 3 of the constitution give rights to everyone in the 32 counties to be part of the Irish nation.
tireoghainabu (Tyrone) - Posts: 314 - 16/07/2023 20:11:03 2494906 Link 0 |
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Tell me, how is the "foreign oppressive British presence" effecting you in Donegal?
Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2643 - 16/07/2023 21:15:55 2494930 Link 1 |
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"Plenty of ulster players involved too" Who were are all these Ulster players? Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2643 - 16/07/2023 21:18:33 2494932 Link 0 |
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Whilst I agree, a united Ireland won't be a happily ever after story, unionist might revolt for decades
DuhallowRed (Cork) - Posts: 289 - 16/07/2023 22:25:05 2494941 Link 0 |
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Packer Bonner for one.
tireoghainabu (Tyrone) - Posts: 314 - 16/07/2023 22:40:09 2494945 Link 0 |
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What's "the Irish nation"?
Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1799 - 16/07/2023 22:41:27 2494946 Link 0 |
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You realize my post is taken verbatim from the constitution? Literally. Article 4 is provided in my post in its entirety. So when you say I'm wrong, you're saying the constitution is wrong. Think about that for a moment. You're referring to the the Republic of Ireland Act, 1948 where article 2 states "It is hereby declared that the description of the State shall be the Republic of Ireland." To really make this clear: Article 4 of the Irish constitution clearly defines the NAME of the state as Ireland in English. Article 2 of the RoI Act clearly states the state may be DESCRIBED as the Republic of Ireland (descriptor, not name. Adjective, not noun). You can reply to this if you like and tell me (or to be more precise, tell the constitution) that my post is wrong. But it's not. I'm not. These are facts a chara. festinog (Galway) - Posts: 3143 - 16/07/2023 23:22:22 2494950 Link 0 |
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Article 2 &3 of the Constitution of Ireland and revised by means of the Nineteenth Amendment which came into effect on 2nd Dec 1999, as amended they grant the right to be " part of the Irish Nation" to all those people born on the island of Ireland.
tireoghainabu (Tyrone) - Posts: 314 - 17/07/2023 10:01:23 2494993 Link 0 |
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Dies ut define what "the Irish Nation" is? The article makes it legal for people from the 6 Cos to get Irish passports I suppose. Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1799 - 17/07/2023 10:22:29 2495007 Link 0 |
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And that's it. Packie Bonner was the only Ulster born player in both the 1988 Euro and 1990 and World Cup squads.
Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2643 - 17/07/2023 10:51:37 2495029 Link 0 |
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And that's it. Packie Bonner was the only Ulster born player in both the 1988 Euro and 1990 and World Cup squads."]Soccer is not my forte, I imagine you would know more about soccer, cricket polo etc than I would.
tireoghainabu (Tyrone) - Posts: 314 - 17/07/2023 11:11:20 2495042 Link 0 |