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I know he's only been mentioned in passing here but can never understand the hype around Neymar. Just not in the conversation for all time greats for me. I think I could name 20 Brazilians above him. Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12332 - 04/01/2023 12:26:23 2451073 Link
Replying To Lockjaw: "Gary Doherty is another shameful ommission. I am going to the bold corner to have a good long think." Who could forget the 'Ginger Pele'. Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2764 - 04/01/2023 12:31:51 2451074 Link
Replying To Breffni40: "Hang on, are you saying we'll never know how good Ali and Tyson were?" Yes, bear with me. They were incredible, we know that, but neither had a prime as such. Ali flew through the ranks and beat Liston twice, then the whole Vietnam thing kept him out of the ring at what should have been his peak. He came back a totally different fighter have lost son of his speed. Still beat foreman and fraiser but was already in decline at that stage. Tyson at 18 was a revelation. Incredibly powerful, technically perfect, difficult to hit. Then cus died and he lost the plot. Still had a great career, but if not for misfortune, might have spent a whole career dominating everyone. I'm that way, they are similar to best. Amazing no doubt, but we never actually saw the best of them. If either of the above had the type of journey that say mayweather had, they could have retired undefeated too Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3575 - 04/01/2023 13:00:19 2451081 Link
Replying To Doylerwex: "How is it a fact that George best wasn't great? Most of the world would disagree. I'm terms of talent he was amazing and almost reinvented the skills of the game ahead of his time. Although he didn't really have6a prime, largely down to his own poor choices as you've outlined. He's a bit like Ali or Tyson in boxing. Amazing talents who achieved great things but for one reason or another, weren't at their best when they should have been, so we'll never really know how good they actually were." Apologies for the interruption, just to say it was me who said he wasn't great and not Cockney_Cat (UK supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 3179 - 04/01/2023 13:41:50 2451090 Link
In regards to George Best. He was named European Footballer of the Year in 1968 and came fifth in the FIFA Player of the Century that is very definition of great. And best players that played alongside him called him great which i think I'd judge more than what's written here. No offence supersub15 Gaa_lover (USA) - Posts: 3609 - 04/01/2023 14:25:06 2451096 Link
Replying To Breffni40: "I know he's only been mentioned in passing here but can never understand the hype around Neymar. Just not in the conversation for all time greats for me. I think I could name 20 Brazilians above him." Agree. When Neymar is in full flight he's a lovely footballer to watch no doubt. But like you I'd have Ronaldinho, Kaka, Rivaldo and Romario ahead of him...and those are only a few I've seen in my lifetime watching different Brazil teams. Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9755 - 04/01/2023 14:52:06 2451107 Link
Replying To supersub15: "Apologies for the interruption, just to say it was me who said he wasn't great and not Cockney_Cat (UK" Have a look at the YouTube video "George Best - Legendary Dribbling Skills" often on very bad pitches. letsgetgoing (Roscommon) - Posts: 727 - 04/01/2023 15:00:11 2451110 Link
Best at his best was one hell of a player, he would have been some craic to go for a night on the town with too, pity the drink overcame him, in the modern era if he'd have been looked after and stayed sober he would have been in the same league as Messi. He was the first celebrity footballer, the 5th Beatle as he was called, he had all the media attention, plenty of money for the time and the finest of women on tap, so add that to the drink problem and he stood no chance really. That story of him being in Vegas with 10's of thousand of dollars on the bed of his hotel room and Miss world sitting beside it and the bell boy asks him 'where did all go wrong Mr Best' he had a good laugh recalling that story. Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 3183 - 04/01/2023 16:03:45 2451128 Link
Replying To Lockjaw: "Agree. When Neymar is in full flight he's a lovely footballer to watch no doubt. But like you I'd have Ronaldinho, Kaka, Rivaldo and Romario ahead of him...and those are only a few I've seen in my lifetime watching different Brazil teams." Those 4 for sure and obviously Pele and Ronaldo but lets not forget Cafu and Roberto Carlos. Reckon it's safe to say Garrincha, Carlos Alberto, Zico, Socrates, Dani Alves, Kleberson, Rivellino etc Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12332 - 04/01/2023 16:26:09 2451132 Link
Replying To Tirchonaill1: "Best at his best was one hell of a player, he would have been some craic to go for a night on the town with too, pity the drink overcame him, in the modern era if he'd have been looked after and stayed sober he would have been in the same league as Messi. He was the first celebrity footballer, the 5th Beatle as he was called, he had all the media attention, plenty of money for the time and the finest of women on tap, so add that to the drink problem and he stood no chance really. That story of him being in Vegas with 10's of thousand of dollars on the bed of his hotel room and Miss world sitting beside it and the bell boy asks him 'where did all go wrong Mr Best' he had a good laugh recalling that story." "I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars - the rest I just squandered". George Best. Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2764 - 04/01/2023 16:57:09 2451137 Link
Replying To Gaa_lover: "In regards to George Best. He was named European Footballer of the Year in 1968 and came fifth in the FIFA Player of the Century that is very definition of great. And best players that played alongside him called him great which i think I'd judge more than what's written here. No offence supersub15" No offence taken at all, - I don't feel comfortable arguing whether he was great or not, one reason is because he is not with us anymore and I did have great respect for him, another reason is because he brought a level of brilliance to his game that other players could only dream of, so yes he was brilliant in every sense of the word. There is only one level of greatness in my opinion, there is no such thing as great plus 10% or great plus 50%, he stopped short of being great, because greatness takes many years and sometimes a sporting lifetime. If only, if only, if only, etc. RIP George. supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 3179 - 04/01/2023 18:43:25 2451163 Link
Replying To Gaa_lover: "In regards to George Best. He was named European Footballer of the Year in 1968 and came fifth in the FIFA Player of the Century that is very definition of great. And best players that played alongside him called him great which i think I'd judge more than what's written here. No offence supersub15" When Waterford played United in the European Cup at Lansdowne Best came up the wing, the two fullbacks went to him and saw no danger keeping him outside them but he curled the ball around them into the net with Peter Thomas still hugging the near post. A nice sequel to that story. Waterford were up 2 nil at half time in the second leg at Old Trafford. Al Casey R.I. P. whom I worked with in the Paper Mills at the time, scored. When he came back he told us about the goal. He went for a ball with Tony Dunne and Dunne hit him so hard he thought his legs were broke. While on the ground Tony shock him saying get up you will be a national hero in Ireland tomorrow that ball went in the net. Al looked at him and said "that's fine for you but you don't have to go in on the 4 to 12 shift tomorrow evening". Dunne was rolling around with the laughing and came over still in the stitches after the game and ask Al is that for real. John O 'Neill sleeped on a stool in our canteen the night before they went over. Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 3035 - 04/01/2023 19:59:32 2451168 Link
https://www.balls.ie/gaa/gianluca-vialli-gaelic-football-394780 Legend and gentleman Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15691 - 07/01/2023 08:20:49 2451394 Link
Replying To Gaa_lover: "In regards to George Best. He was named European Footballer of the Year in 1968 and came fifth in the FIFA Player of the Century that is very definition of great. And best players that played alongside him called him great which i think I'd judge more than what's written here. No offence supersub15" are you sure he came 5th? don't think he was that high on the list. Rosineri1 (UK) - Posts: 2099 - 08/01/2023 18:04:17 2451548 Link
Great article in the Independent today by Joe Brolly. Bang on the money. Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9817 - 08/01/2023 18:08:58 2451550 Link
Replying To Ulsterman: "Great article in the Independent today by Joe Brolly. Bang on the money." I hope he comes out and call the Glen players out for the pulling down of Moyallen players, he made a fool of himself when it was Sean Cavanagh. Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2290 - 08/01/2023 18:50:22 2451563 Link
Replying To Saynothing: "I hope he comes out and call the Glen players out for the pulling down of Moyallen players, he made a fool of himself when it was Sean Cavanagh." This is a 'Non-Gaa Forum' topic. Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2764 - 08/01/2023 19:33:03 2451579 Link
Replying To Ulsterman: "Great article in the Independent today by Joe Brolly. Bang on the money." Just read it, I will let it settle then I will read it again. supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 3179 - 08/01/2023 19:50:26 2451593 Link
Replying To Cockney_Cat: "This is a 'Non-Gaa Forum' topic." You worry about your so called Royals being on their way out. Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2290 - 08/01/2023 20:17:29 2451606 Link
Brolly makes some good points. It is all history now given that the IRA disbanded without achieving its objective. That song might as well have a chorus saying "Ooh, Ah, Up the United Irishmen" but it still annoys anti national elements. Which is always a good thing and a good rule of thumb is that if Fintan is against something, then it must be okay. and vice versa. He was once a supporter of a former republican party who idolised Stalin so he's not much of a leg to stand on when it comes to pontificating about these things :-) BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3515 - 08/01/2023 20:37:01 2451619 Link