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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "So British control of part of Ireland was not okay in 1969 but okay now?

Same with abortion? Its either wrong or it is not. Fact that itvwas approved in referendum is neither here nor there.

Most people are sheep. Took 1916 to wake them up for a few years. All back nodding away since."
The issue in 1969 was civil rights, you could say that issue has been addressed now, it shouldn't have taken a war to get those civil rights, they say the 1998 GFA was Sunningdale for slow learners.
The violence in 1969 and before was introduced by the loyalists who didn't want to lose the gerrymandered control they had enjoyed for 50 years, the IRA campaign started as a response to first defend catholic from sectarian gangs and we all know how it spiralled.
Seems to be a pattern in Irish history of over reaction from the British side that always backfires on them, if they hadn't executed the 1916 leaders we'd probably still be under British control in the 26 counties too or be operating 2 devolved Govs on this island both controlled from London.
Bloody Sunday was another, all it done apart from murder innocent people demanding their rights was send a generation to war.
I agree SF are total hypocrites, they built their electoral success of the deaths of the hunger strikers, suited them to have 10 martyrs, theirs sheep on every side.

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 3534 - 31/10/2025 13:44:17    2642383

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Replying To yew_tree:  "What are you suggesting another revolution?"
I think that's inevitable to be honest.

Have we achieved our ideals socially or morally?

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 4002 - 31/10/2025 13:45:46    2642384

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Replying To FullOfPorter:  "It's a sign of how much we are immersed in a system of the right when SF and SDs are considered hard left.

Hard left would want a complete overthrow of the political and economic system, all industry would be nationalised, severe restrictions placed on private property (if not abolished), the state takes over provision of all services, workers councils set up with a view to replacing the current political system. You are talking full on communism.

It doesn't really matter what Ogra SF have on t shirts, if you read SF policy documents along with SDs and Labour, they are all left of centre in the mould of most social democratic parties across Europe.

PBP are left wing but not radical revolutionaries and will try and affect change from within the current political and economic system aiming for a greater role of the state in the economy and more redistribution of wealth.

FF FG are centre right. Profit, wealth accumulation, big business and individualism take priority under their policies. Ireland incorporated if you will."
Anyone that considers SF hard left is incorrect, you've made that point yourself

Cumann1 (Mayo) - Posts: 118 - 31/10/2025 13:58:37    2642389

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Replying To Seanfan:  "I was responding to Porter who listed SF as Left."
I was responding to fullofporter, for some reason it was put up under your post

Cumann1 (Mayo) - Posts: 118 - 31/10/2025 14:00:16    2642392

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