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The best vetting of all comes from living in a locality where you are trusted, because of your actions & mannerisms. Age, skin colour, nationality don't matter. slayer (Limerick) - Posts: 6601 - 14/10/2025 20:29:55 2640017 Link 2 |
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Great post. Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael merging in 2016 didn't help either. I don't think Ireland trusts the other parties enough to vote Simon Martin out of office. So the choice is a step into the unknown or stick with a crew getting some things right but others badly wrong. slayer (Limerick) - Posts: 6601 - 14/10/2025 20:34:39 2640018 Link 0 |
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If you have a better word then let's hear it. I mean wouldn't you want to know who is walking in your front door? Just because you say yes doesn't make you a monster. What is so terrible about knowing who is coming in to your house or country?
SouthGalway (Galway) - Posts: 62 - 14/10/2025 20:43:28 2640021 Link 3 |
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A quarter of the population is born outside of the state. That is a completely unnatural and disastrous situation for any nation. Vetting or not vetting is a minor consideration. PS. If Irish males are allowed into the main countries where tens of thousands end up you can be assured they are vetted. Try landing in JFK or Sydney with no passport or plane ticket... BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3720 - 14/10/2025 22:22:24 2640030 Link 4 |
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Why would they be? They're citizens? They commit crimes too, and I'm in favour of much tougher sentencing but that's a separate issue that has zero to do with immigration.
Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3970 - 14/10/2025 22:33:39 2640032 Link 5 |
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The number is unimportant. My own view is it needs to benefit us in the manner it does Australia and Canada. They important the skills they need. No more no less. We need healthcare and construction workers so we should recruit them from abroad. We do not need more social welfare recipients or criminals. We are well able to produce them ourselves. Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3970 - 14/10/2025 22:38:21 2640033 Link 6 |
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Why would you contrast us with Australia and Canada? Two much larger countries with larger populations that don't need sign off from Brussels to decide some immigration policy.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 8279 - 15/10/2025 01:05:17 2640041 Link 0 |
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Actually I would argue EVERYONE born and reared and living in this country since the day they were born is vetted. Their records ---medical and otherwise -- are recorded and traceable by the State. If at the age of 18 a young lad or lass wants to join the gardai he/she is vetted...a background check is conducted to see if they have any criminal record or if they have any connections to shady individuals. Personally I'm vetted every 3 to 5 years because I work with vulnerable people. Generally speaking, I think it is fair to say that people who move to Ireland from other developed countries -- those who have a low score on the Corruption Perception Index -- are also vetted as their native country's records and vetting processes are trustworthy and dependable. If somebody moves here from Australia or NZ for instance , any information which the Irish State seeks on them from the Australia/ NZ authorities is trustworthy. Unfortunately that cannot be said about many other countries. Most of Africa, much of Asia, and much of South America feature very prominently on the Corruption Perception Index. Bribing the authorities is a part of everyday life in most of the non-developed world. Let's say somebody moves here from Nigeria....in truth any information sought about them from the Nigerian authorities is not trustworthy given the corruption that is so endemic in that country. It is only their history from the moment they entered the EU that can definitively classed as meeting the criteria of being vetted.
PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 2082 - 15/10/2025 01:14:23 2640042 Link 1 |
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The world revolves around numbers. Is 100 enough is 10,000 too many. Again health care & construction workers comes up as a need if that is true then why is Ireland exporting these people all over the world. Why aren't these people staying in Ireland where I'm told the wages are high. Education, 40,000 foreign students in Ireland that's about 15% of the third level student population, is that a problem. Is that stopping Irish students from attending third level education or are the Irish students just not there. cluichethar (Mayo) - Posts: 578 - 15/10/2025 02:38:36 2640043 Link 0 |
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Totally agree but how many times when you are also abroad have you seen someone butcher the flag with writing or putting a picture of it, does that make you feel proud of that flag? I have proudly taken my Irish Flag and my Wexford jersey all around the world and apart form beer being spilled on the jersey nothing has ever touched either! The irony is that Irish people living overseas perhaps have an increased sense of pride in their culture than if they stayed in Ireland. The language is the biggest one - growing up in Ireland it was a burden, something that was rammed down the neck and as a result there was a complete lack of appreciation and pride in it. Once you are overseas and surrounded by people who speak their own language (non English speaking countries of course) and that language is such a part of their identity, that is really when you realize what you are missing.
zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 2099 - 15/10/2025 03:02:57 2640045 Link 0 |
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As usual Barney, facts and your numbers don't add up. Even if you used the correct number from 2022 at 20%, at that time only 15% of the population were non Irish Citizens and the largest % of these were from the UK and EU. The first rule of having any meaningful conversation is dealing with the facts. Not sure what your passport idea is about as you cannot get onto a plane to those countries without a passport. Once you are there you are entitled to apply for asylum at the airport and your application would have to be processed. zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 2099 - 15/10/2025 03:21:24 2640046 Link 1 |
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To me its a red herring. Vetted, if you are coming from Afghanistan, Syria or other countries where law and order has completely broken down - who is doing the vetting on the other side? While agree conceptually with vetting, its being used as an excuse to label everyone, unless you are vetted you are guilty. I think your question is about how we think of the law and assuming everyone is guilty of something unless its proven they are not. The same arguments have been used to discredit recipients of social welfare.
zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 2099 - 15/10/2025 03:39:15 2640047 Link 0 |
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That's some list of people there. All hail President Trump. The greatest president the world has ever seen.
yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11795 - 15/10/2025 08:24:19 2640054 Link 0 |
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Spot on. Zero problem with foreign immigration as long as it's legal and they are contributing to Irish society. Many as you say are, healthcare being the main sector. It's the lads in groups hanging around street corner shouting that makes my blood boil. yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11795 - 15/10/2025 08:31:03 2640056 Link 1 |
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They're doing what they think they'll get away with to have enough of their middle class electorate vote them back in in the next election. Telling the electorate what they think they want to hear and too much weight given to social media. Martin has passed his sell by date and Harris never had a sell by date as party leader. I think Chambers and O'Donoghue would be better party leaders and make each party more electable.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 8279 - 15/10/2025 09:33:35 2640065 Link 0 |
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Their size doesn't matter. That rationale would be good for any nation. The needs of the society aren't that different, if anything we should be better at it that them because of our size. The sign off from Brussels remark is an interesting one. I understand the spirit of the EU but I would argue our representatives tend not to rock the boat. Do we have the best arrangement we could have? I think not. Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3970 - 15/10/2025 09:36:09 2640067 Link 0 |
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I will make the same point on construction as I did on healthcare. We didn't train anyone for about a decade. There's a massive shortfall to make up in housing stock. We need enough workers to close that gap. They may be immigrants, or we may offer incentives for our own people to come home (that alone would not be enough). I don't know how many people that is but it's an equation to provide your answer. 36% of job seekers were not born in Ireland. That is too many. People routinely site the fact that Irish people have always worked abroad. That is true, but America, Canada, Australia, UK didn't exactly roll out the red carpet for us as far as my own memory goes. To be honest I feel we have a moral obligation to provide asylum. Secondly other cultures enrich and compliment our own. The only thing I'm advocating for is a rational approach. I only really started thinking constructively about this after the horrible knife incident in Dublin. It was so easily preventable. Hindsight is of no use to those parents. Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3970 - 15/10/2025 09:46:22 2640074 Link 0 |
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There's never been as many college courses available Cluichethar, fulltime, part-time, classroom, online, blended. The standard of education being delivered from all courses is debatable.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 8279 - 15/10/2025 09:53:12 2640075 Link 1 |