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Replying To Viking66: "Jamie Meyler has been a Horeswood player since he was a teenager if not all his life. He kicked ball for Wexford u20s in 2018 and was a Horeswood player then.
Diarmuid Doyle was a Marshallstown player not sure why he moved to Ferns. But he isn't and wasn't, at least yet, a Senior Intercounty player like Cathal Dunbar." Jamie Meyler played for St james before he moved to horsewood at around 18/19, I could be wrong with the actually age but definitely was a Jame's player for a long time.
Well done to ferns, deserved it throughout the championship. I am hearing all sort of rumours about wexford missing up to 8 players next year.are the two o connors going abroad as well?
hunting (Wexford) - Posts: 933 - 15/08/2022 16:49:25
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Replying To Viking66: "Liam og Mcgovern Bon" Ah nice one, thanks. Hadn't heard the nickname before!
Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 1909 - 15/08/2022 17:49:52
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Was at Wexford Park on both Saturday and Sunday so here are my thoughts:
Liam Mellows really threw it away in the Intermediate A Final. Six points up with three minutes to go, playing with the aid of the wind, and Horeswood had only scored 0-04 in the second half up to that point; surely they should have put the belt and braces on, dropped a sweeper back, and made sure that they let no goal in? That said, Liam Mellows looked like a football team playing hurling, only really Kennedy at centre-back, Joe Gardiner, and Eoin Cullen looked like natural hurlers and that being said, Cullen didn't really make much of an impact. You only have to look at Conor Foley for a few seconds to know that he looks like a senior inter-county hurler in waiting; I don't think he was 100% on Saturday though as he had his leg strapped up and never really seemed to sprint. Seán Nolan was actually very quiet until he got the two goals although Jamie Meyler was electric in the inside forward line for Horeswood. On the whole though, it was a poor game, lacking in both intensity and skill. The Junior game the next day was a better match on both counts.
I didn't really think the Intermediate Final was as close as people were making it out to be. I never really got the sense that Oular were in big danger. Sure, they found themselves four points down after just over twenty minutes but (a) Oulart were playing against the wind in the first half, (b) Oulart hit a lull after the first ten minutes, (c) Taghmon scored 1-02 from play in the first half (Not a great return), and (d) Oulart were always going to have the much better bench. At the end of the day, Oulart scored 27 times and Taghmon scored 15 times and even when some thought the game was in the melting pot, Oulart still had 18 scores compared to Taghmon's 11 (0-18 to 2-09). Taghmon were just not able to match Oulart's scoring power although in Taghmon's defence, Oulart are effectively a Seniot Team playing in Intermediate. Taghmon also have a very young squad so if they continue to improve (And develop greater firepower up front), they could be a Senior club soon enough. As others have said, Ian Carty should be hurling Senior for Wexford.
The Junior Final was a lot better than the Junior A Final, much better intensity and much better hurling skill on show. David Dunne got two great goals for Davidstown who would have been hard done by to lose. Not that I watch Glynn Juniors much but Ollie McClair looks like a good hurler.
That was probably the best Senior Final since the 2013 renewal and the Martins' hurled a lot better than most runners-up have in the past. I think Ferns probably had a greater variety of scorers than the Martins' and had a slightly greater goal threat which was pretty much the difference at the end of the day. For the Martins', Kyle Firman, Conor Firman, and Joe Barrett were particular stand-outs. Funnily enough, I was more impressed by them in defeat yesterday than I was when they won their last title in 2019. Considering who they were missing, they seem to have a real edge to them that they didn't have in the past. When he fully fills out, Corey Byrne-Dunbar should be a mainstay on the Wexford team. It's almost a joke how talented he is; the game just seems to slow down for him and he just makes everything look so easy. Special mention also for Jonny Dwyer; didn't have the best game last week but made a crucial hook in the second half, was a great outlet in the half-forward line for Ferns's long balls, scored three points from play, and also curled over an absolutely gorgeous sideline cut. All through the Championship, Ferns's bench has won them games. Yesterday was no different; none of the Martins' bench scored but both Benny Jordan and Bitsy O'Connor got a point each. I've heard people say that Ferns are an old team but they've got a lot younger without people realising. Seven out of yesterday's starters were U-23 and only four starters were in the 2007 U21-winning squad (James Tonks, Tommy Dwyer, Jonny Dwyer, and a very young at the time Paul Morris). They made good use of their older players; Tonks didn't start the first two Championship games, Tommy Dwyer didn't start against the Martins' in New Ross, and Jonny Dwyer was subbed off a few times. Some smart management of older legs by Ferns and you could argue that at the end of the day, it won them the county title.
ElGranSenor (Wexford) - Posts: 240 - 15/08/2022 18:50:47
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Replying To Viking66: "Jamie Meyler has been a Horeswood player since he was a teenager if not all his life. He kicked ball for Wexford u20s in 2018 and was a Horeswood player then.
Diarmuid Doyle was a Marshallstown player not sure why he moved to Ferns. But he isn't and wasn't, at least yet, a Senior Intercounty player like Cathal Dunbar." Little bit off there I think Viking, Myler transferred when around 16. Diarmuid was basically told if he wasnt playing senior or inter hurling he wouldn't make Wex senior panel in time. Hence the transfer. Was brought into Wex set up this year during Leinster Champ.
countyman2022 (Wexford) - Posts: 642 - 15/08/2022 19:04:54
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Replying To countyman2022: "Little bit off there I think Viking, Myler transferred when around 16. Diarmuid was basically told if he wasnt playing senior or inter hurling he wouldn't make Wex senior panel in time. Hence the transfer. Was brought into Wex set up this year during Leinster Champ." Very hard for smaller clubs to progress with this still going on. Ballygarret were relegated this year and Marshalstown in relegation final - no coincidence after the best players they have produced in recent years jumped ship.
grassroots01 (Wexford) - Posts: 166 - 16/08/2022 09:37:01
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Replying To countyman2022: "Little bit off there I think Viking, Myler transferred when around 16. Diarmuid was basically told if he wasnt playing senior or inter hurling he wouldn't make Wex senior panel in time. Hence the transfer. Was brought into Wex set up this year during Leinster Champ." David Dunne hurling Junior, Matt O'Hanlon was hurling Junior when brought into Wex setep. Andrew Shore (albeit, he was in Dublin for a while I think). Cathal Dunbar (until he jumped ship). Mitch Jordan, a fellow Marshalstown man. If you're good enough it doens't matter who you hurl with. Probably does help to be playing at Senior Level but wouldn't see it as a reason to be leaving you're own (Struggling club, I'm basing this on the fact they were in a relegation final).
Am sure there are many more examples, both within and outside of Wexford.
David Clifford......!
rossytilidie (Wexford) - Posts: 300 - 16/08/2022 11:11:01
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Replying To countyman2022: "Little bit off there I think Viking, Myler transferred when around 16. Diarmuid was basically told if he wasnt playing senior or inter hurling he wouldn't make Wex senior panel in time. Hence the transfer. Was brought into Wex set up this year during Leinster Champ." That is untrue on every level regarding that transfer.
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I also add that I don't believe at adult level the level of club hurling you play at has half the impact that it does at underage. And development squads do plug the underage training gap as well.
From what I see in our club, inter county players now spend so little time with their clubs that the key coaching they all get is in the county squad.
You can either up it to the inter county tempo or you can't.
ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1128 - 16/08/2022 12:15:47
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Replying To countyman2022: "Little bit off there I think Viking, Myler transferred when around 16. Diarmuid was basically told if he wasnt playing senior or inter hurling he wouldn't make Wex senior panel in time. Hence the transfer. Was brought into Wex set up this year during Leinster Champ." And who exactly is supposed to have told Doyle this?
Can't have been Darragh Egan, because Doyle transferred before Egan got the Wexford job.
Davy Fitz, maybe? Then why would Davy have one rule for one junior hurler (Doyle) and a different rule for another one (David Dunne, who he consistently picked in Wexford squads, even though Davidstown-Courtnacuddy are junior too)?
Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2247 - 16/08/2022 12:18:01
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Replying To ExiledInWex: "That is untrue on every level regarding that transfer." Can you tell me why he transferred to Ferns then please? No affiliation or connection to Ferns prior. Because I'd imagine I'm quite alot closer than you think to the player. Look forward to hearing your reason for this.
countyman2022 (Wexford) - Posts: 642 - 16/08/2022 13:04:56
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Replying To ExiledInWex: "I also add that I don't believe at adult level the level of club hurling you play at has half the impact that it does at underage. And development squads do plug the underage training gap as well.
From what I see in our club, inter county players now spend so little time with their clubs that the key coaching they all get is in the county squad.
You can either up it to the inter county tempo or you can't." So your saying a young player like Diarmuid playing senior with Ferns would have been as well off and get the same development and experience from playing junior with Marshalstown? Because had he stayed with Marshalstown I can ensure you, he would not be in the Wexford panel at present.
countyman2022 (Wexford) - Posts: 642 - 16/08/2022 13:07:15
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Replying To Pikeman96: "And who exactly is supposed to have told Doyle this?
Can't have been Darragh Egan, because Doyle transferred before Egan got the Wexford job.
Davy Fitz, maybe? Then why would Davy have one rule for one junior hurler (Doyle) and a different rule for another one (David Dunne, who he consistently picked in Wexford squads, even though Davidstown-Courtnacuddy are junior too)?" What made Cathal Dunbarr transfer?
countyman2022 (Wexford) - Posts: 642 - 16/08/2022 13:09:18
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Replying To Pikeman96: "And who exactly is supposed to have told Doyle this?
Can't have been Darragh Egan, because Doyle transferred before Egan got the Wexford job.
Davy Fitz, maybe? Then why would Davy have one rule for one junior hurler (Doyle) and a different rule for another one (David Dunne, who he consistently picked in Wexford squads, even though Davidstown-Courtnacuddy are junior too)?" Just about to make this point myself.
This excuse is too often thrown around with nothing to support it.
Most of the time when high profile transfers take place it is for glory hunting.
Marshalstown have been a shambles for most of the last 7/8 years so I couldn't blame him for looking elsewhere if he was serious about it, but it would be better if that reason was given rather than a made up nonsense one of 'have to be with a senior club to make county panel' when that plainly isn't the case.
Onfor15 (Wexford) - Posts: 524 - 16/08/2022 13:17:13
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Replying To countyman2022: "What made Cathal Dunbarr transfer?" Senior glory instead of sticking with a club that coached him from underage and got him to where he was ? Gorey even with a population of 10k+ to pick from wouldn't have won that senior without him so good business for them. Doyle scored 2 important points for Ferns at the weekend too and looked dangerous throughout.
grassroots01 (Wexford) - Posts: 166 - 16/08/2022 13:19:46
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Replying To countyman2022: "Can you tell me why he transferred to Ferns then please? No affiliation or connection to Ferns prior. Because I'd imagine I'm quite alot closer than you think to the player. Look forward to hearing your reason for this." Anonymous internet man says he's close....oh well it must be true so. Why not reveal your identity then instead of hiding behind anonimity and claiming to be "a lot closer than you think"?
it can very often be claimed that "Manager X said he won't make the county team if he doesn't transfer. "
Well if that was a policy, then why didn't he make it anyway? Because maybe club game has a negligible impact on whether you can hurl county or not? I would hazard a guess, that he wouldn't have been any closer/further from being in the squad had he stayed.
And secondly, if it only matters hurling for a top county, or development squads are not bridging the gap for "smaller" clubs, why was your county minor team full of players from Bannow, Ballyhogue, Rathgarogue, Blackwater, and so on?
It has always amazed me how many Wexford people have that attitude. It was never part of the Dublin psyche.
ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1128 - 16/08/2022 14:51:46
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Replying To ExiledInWex: "I also add that I don't believe at adult level the level of club hurling you play at has half the impact that it does at underage. And development squads do plug the underage training gap as well.
From what I see in our club, inter county players now spend so little time with their clubs that the key coaching they all get is in the county squad.
You can either up it to the inter county tempo or you can't." I agree with you ... if you are making the point (which I think you are) that underage development squads plug the gap between standards at a senior and a junior club. And then also visibility to the relevant managers/selectors.
I do know of a 1-2 cases, way back 30 years ago where lads that were very good county minors (u-18) and then had only hurled with their local junior club in between for 2-3 years, before trying out unsuccessfully for U-21 level ... and they felt they lost out due to not hurling at a higher standard with their local junior club.
I think it's an awful choice for a junior hurler ... transfer to a senior club where you know you have a chance of a senior medal, test yourself against better players and be seen more by a county manager or stick with the club that put years of coaching into you and play with your friends.
Probably if you are on a development squad, this negates it - but let's say you are not the top star like Mathew O'Hanlon, and you are borderline player that could be a good enough for the wider county panel but have potential to improve if you are playing at a higher standard ... then I think that choice becomes a lot more grey.
I think the situation is different for intermediate clubs because the standard is good enough and if you are a star performer, you will be seen.
Ultimately it comes down to a personal choice.
Am interested to hear other perspectives ...
Punter72007 (Wexford) - Posts: 315 - 16/08/2022 14:56:11
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On the match, I was in Stamford Bridge on Sunday so only got to watch this morning although I was following it on Twitter.
Ferns were full value for the win, but they made life hard for themselves in the last ten minutes.
I thought Corey Byrne-Dunbar and Conor Firman were the 2 best performers on the pitch. What age is Conor Firman? I mix them lads up was he in the Wexford team a few years ago? Kyle Firman is also definitely worth Daire Egan's consideration.
I thought Eamon Furlong delivered as everybody expected a refereeing master class, he doesn't fall for the theatrical play-acting and lads looking for frees.
Well done Ferns, how do people rate their chances in Leinster?
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Replying To countyman2022: "So your saying a young player like Diarmuid playing senior with Ferns would have been as well off and get the same development and experience from playing junior with Marshalstown? Because had he stayed with Marshalstown I can ensure you, he would not be in the Wexford panel at present." He played u20 intercounty when he was with Marshalstown. Hard 1 to call. On the 1 hand I think players should stay with their original club. But also I can see that players might want to win senior club titles. I don't think it should affect playing intercounty though. Once a player is picked he's going to get the same intercounty training regardless of the grade of his club.
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Replying To ExiledInWex: "Anonymous internet man says he's close....oh well it must be true so. Why not reveal your identity then instead of hiding behind anonimity and claiming to be "a lot closer than you think"?
it can very often be claimed that "Manager X said he won't make the county team if he doesn't transfer. "
Well if that was a policy, then why didn't he make it anyway? Because maybe club game has a negligible impact on whether you can hurl county or not? I would hazard a guess, that he wouldn't have been any closer/further from being in the squad had he stayed.
And secondly, if it only matters hurling for a top county, or development squads are not bridging the gap for "smaller" clubs, why was your county minor team full of players from Bannow, Ballyhogue, Rathgarogue, Blackwater, and so on?
It has always amazed me how many Wexford people have that attitude. It was never part of the Dublin psyche." That is untrue on every level regarding that transfer.
ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 323 - 16/08/2022 12:05:04
So why did he transfer then if its untrue?? Please enlighten me.
He did make it. He came in onto the Wexford panel during the Leinster Championship. I wouldn't expect you to know that however. So your whole argument looks ridiculous. Obviously hurling club senior wasn't negligible for him making the senior panel.
The Dublin psyche? Because the Dublin hurlers are a great example to follow. Very successful.
countyman2022 (Wexford) - Posts: 642 - 16/08/2022 15:10:27
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Replying To ExiledInWex: "On the match, I was in Stamford Bridge on Sunday so only got to watch this morning although I was following it on Twitter.
Ferns were full value for the win, but they made life hard for themselves in the last ten minutes.
I thought Corey Byrne-Dunbar and Conor Firman were the 2 best performers on the pitch. What age is Conor Firman? I mix them lads up was he in the Wexford team a few years ago? Kyle Firman is also definitely worth Daire Egan's consideration.
I thought Eamon Furlong delivered as everybody expected a refereeing master class, he doesn't fall for the theatrical play-acting and lads looking for frees.
Well done Ferns, how do people rate their chances in Leinster?" With them playing football for the next couple of months it's going to be hard for them to give Leinster a good lash.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11848 - 16/08/2022 15:12:24
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