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Replying To Viking66: "Oulart also beat James Stephens and Clara, who were current Kilkenny Champions at the time, since 2011. And some good Offaly and Dublin club sides also. I can't remember our hurling champions getting too many bad beatings off anyone tbh.
Football would be a different story although Shels beat a good team from Louth in the QF last year and brought Naas to extra time in the SF." That is what I am saying Viking66, its easy to say "oh the dual clubs are the best in Wexford because they play both".
The stats when they go outside the county and take on teams who play 1 code.
No offence but Louth wouldn't be where I would be looking at, and even Kildare are a mile off the pace in all honesty.
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Replying To Cockney_Cat: "According to Wikipedia, he won 4 senior hurling county titles with Rathnure, and 1county junior championship medal in 1940 but no senior club football titles. He did win one Senior Leinster football title with Wexford ." Maybe that was the one I was thinking of. Fairly sure Rathnure won a Senior football title back in the day though
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11799 - 23/07/2022 16:22:02
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Replying To ExiledInWex: "That is what I am saying Viking66, its easy to say "oh the dual clubs are the best in Wexford because they play both".
The stats when they go outside the county and take on teams who play 1 code.
No offence but Louth wouldn't be where I would be looking at, and even Kildare are a mile off the pace in all honesty." I don't think anyone is saying the dual clubs are best because they play both. Nearly every club is dual in Wexford. They can't all be best.
Kildare clubs have won 3 Leinster club titles. And Naas reached the final last year.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11799 - 23/07/2022 16:25:08
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Replying To ExiledInWex: "That is what I am saying Viking66, its easy to say "oh the dual clubs are the best in Wexford because they play both".
The stats when they go outside the county and take on teams who play 1 code.
No offence but Louth wouldn't be where I would be looking at, and even Kildare are a mile off the pace in all honesty." Outside of Dublin in Football Kildare are perhaps the strongest in Leinster and Louth will also be in D2 next year.
I would go as far as saying duel clubs should be considered better GAA clubs. Simply put they offer kids two sports in the one club, not all kids like hurling or want to play it and it also works the other way. By offering both a club has a much hight chance of keeping a kid within the GAA and playing sport. That is good enough for me to say they are better clubs for the GAA.
zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1804 - 23/07/2022 19:55:44
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Replying To Cockney_Cat: "According to Wikipedia, he won 4 senior hurling county titles with Rathnure, and 1county junior championship medal in 1940 but no senior club football titles. He did win one Senior Leinster football title with Wexford ." Rathnure won senior football in 1952. Nickey Rackard was on that team.
The club were runners up in Senior football championship in 1953 and 1972, 1974 and 1976.
I heard that they may be entering a football team in junior B this year but I haven't seen it officially confirmed anywhere.
Onfor15 (Wexford) - Posts: 524 - 24/07/2022 10:39:16
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Replying To Viking66: "Yes Beano but Shels, Martins, Rapps and Goreys have huge playing numbers compared to Oulart, Rathnure, and the Alley." Oulart have small playing numbers? They field four hurling teams, they have massive pick. Buffers Alley also have a massive area. Large population areas eventually make you successful, point in being Crossabeg-Ballymurn, large increase in population in recent times in Crossabeg, now dual senior club. Glynn Barntowns improvement in football. Gorey also in recent years, Shels aswell. Just the sheer volume of available players. Very hard for small playing parish to get to senior standard.
alwaysasub (Wexford) - Posts: 403 - 24/07/2022 18:46:34
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Replying To alwaysasub: "Oulart have small playing numbers? They field four hurling teams, they have massive pick. Buffers Alley also have a massive area. Large population areas eventually make you successful, point in being Crossabeg-Ballymurn, large increase in population in recent times in Crossabeg, now dual senior club. Glynn Barntowns improvement in football. Gorey also in recent years, Shels aswell. Just the sheer volume of available players. Very hard for small playing parish to get to senior standard." I didn't mean small playing numbers absolutely. Only smaller than the big town and outskirts of town clubs. As a possible reason why they aren't doing as well recently as Shels, Martins, Glynn, Rapps, Gorey etc
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11799 - 24/07/2022 20:19:56
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Replying To Viking66: "I didn't mean small playing numbers absolutely. Only smaller than the big town and outskirts of town clubs. As a possible reason why they aren't doing as well recently as Shels, Martins, Glynn, Rapps, Gorey etc" Ok sorry. Yes good point. I would fancy rathnure to beat Cloughbawn even though they haven't won any games this year. Rathnure always seem to pull something out of the bag. Harriers were very impressive this evening against Cloughbawn. Darby Purcell along with the younger players really stood up. Could be a dark horse yet. Anne's also beating Gorey, they are probably the most under estimated team. Looking forward to the quarters, Gorey and Shels the pick.
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Replying To alwaysasub: "Ok sorry. Yes good point. I would fancy rathnure to beat Cloughbawn even though they haven't won any games this year. Rathnure always seem to pull something out of the bag. Harriers were very impressive this evening against Cloughbawn. Darby Purcell along with the younger players really stood up. Could be a dark horse yet. Anne's also beating Gorey, they are probably the most under estimated team. Looking forward to the quarters, Gorey and Shels the pick." Rathnure Cloughbawn games have always been spicy in the time I'm around and probably long before it. I'd imagine both teams will raise their game. It might turn out to be a better game than any of the QFs.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11799 - 25/07/2022 07:58:41
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Interesting results at the weekend in senior. If one was to predict 8 clubs to reach the quarter finals before it started the 8 who qualified would be expected.
Relegation final will be very interesting. Cloughbawn will be very disappointed with harries result. 2 sent off I heard including C flood but they will be available for relegation final as a new competition. Very strange rule.
Very competitive quarter finals ahead. Anyone can beat anyone on a given day.
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Replying To Viking66: "I didn't mean small playing numbers absolutely. Only smaller than the big town and outskirts of town clubs. As a possible reason why they aren't doing as well recently as Shels, Martins, Glynn, Rapps, Gorey etc" If the GAA nationwide has thought us one thing, it is that success is not population dependent. What it is dependent on is tradition, time and money investment in the games, and a culture of winning and commitment from players and clubs alike.
Both senior groups the 4 teams most likely to qualify for quarters ultimately did. I would have expected Oilgate and Crossabeg to be the relegation final, but it turns out to be 2 other rivals. Rathnure and Cloughban will both be desperate to beat each other to avoid relegation.
Intermediate Oulart's to lose, I don't any other team has ben close or will be close. They will want to right the wrong from last year.
ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1127 - 25/07/2022 10:08:34
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Replying To ExiledInWex: "If the GAA nationwide has thought us one thing, it is that success is not population dependent. What it is dependent on is tradition, time and money investment in the games, and a culture of winning and commitment from players and clubs alike.
Both senior groups the 4 teams most likely to qualify for quarters ultimately did. I would have expected Oilgate and Crossabeg to be the relegation final, but it turns out to be 2 other rivals. Rathnure and Cloughban will both be desperate to beat each other to avoid relegation.
Intermediate Oulart's to lose, I don't any other team has ben close or will be close. They will want to right the wrong from last year." They weren't wronged last year. They made some strange calls, some players retired and others didn't seem at it. They played badly enough to end up in a relegation final. And then they lost it. Having seen them play this year they are fitter, look more motivated and some of the older more experienced lads have returned to the first team. They are obviously hot favourites for promotion but we are now into the knockout stages. The Alley nearly beat them 2 weeks ago and last weekend they didn't shoot the lights out against Blackwater. They were flying in the League too. Have they peaked too soon? Time will tell. I still think they will go up all the same.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11799 - 25/07/2022 10:55:17
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At least we can't complain that the product is boring anyway. No other system, either proposed or pipe-dream, would have left so much hanging in the balance this weekend. I knew there'd be a draw somewhere!
I caught Rapps-Oylegate, said to myself I'd go to the venue nearest to me with the All Ireland on that afternoon. Was a poor enough game all told, with Oylegate having more than enough chances to win it. Don't know the exact stats but the shooting was very poor for both sides, and I'd say Oylegate hit double-figures in the second half alone. They seemed to panic towards the end too, hitting hopeful long balls inside or shooting low-percentage shots when a bit more composure could have seen them over the line. There weren't any real clear-cut goal chances created by either side apart from one late on by Oylegate.
I get the feeling that Rapps were witholding themselves some what, backing that results would go their way, and they did after. They didn't get much of a return from their starting forwards again, two from the Pepper brothers I think. Peare played as sweeper in the absence of Foley, while Kevin Foley was well contained by Jack Reck. Mahon had a mare over placed-balls despite scoring six or seven frees. Ultimately, five points off the bench decided the game in their favour.
I thought Damien Reck was excellent as the spare man for Oylegate, the other three Recks had their moments too, while Casey hit some nice points, including a sideline cut, but was a bit wasteful too. Best for Rapps, I thought, were Dillon Redmond, Ben Edwards and Jack Kelly.
All four quarter-finals carry their own sub-plot: two repeats of recent county finals (Gorey-Shels, Annes-Martins), a clash of two town teams that always attract a big crowd (Rapps-Harriers) and finally, Ferns-Glynn playing again after an unseemingly row last year. I'll post my predictions later in the week after I get an idea how the other games went.
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Replying To Viking66: "They weren't wronged last year. They made some strange calls, some players retired and others didn't seem at it. They played badly enough to end up in a relegation final. And then they lost it. Having seen them play this year they are fitter, look more motivated and some of the older more experienced lads have returned to the first team. They are obviously hot favourites for promotion but we are now into the knockout stages. The Alley nearly beat them 2 weeks ago and last weekend they didn't shoot the lights out against Blackwater. They were flying in the League too. Have they peaked too soon? Time will tell. I still think they will go up all the same." I didn't mean wronged in a done sort of way, the structure unquestionably came up with an anomaly which meant themselves or St. Martins were going to be relegated.
I don't believe either of them were in the worst senior teams in my opinion.
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Replying To Viking66: "They weren't wronged last year. They made some strange calls, some players retired and others didn't seem at it. They played badly enough to end up in a relegation final. And then they lost it. Having seen them play this year they are fitter, look more motivated and some of the older more experienced lads have returned to the first team. They are obviously hot favourites for promotion but we are now into the knockout stages. The Alley nearly beat them 2 weeks ago and last weekend they didn't shoot the lights out against Blackwater. They were flying in the League too. Have they peaked too soon? Time will tell. I still think they will go up all the same." One might argue they let their own clubman down last year by not playing for him?
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Replying To ExiledInWex: "I didn't mean wronged in a done sort of way, the structure unquestionably came up with an anomaly which meant themselves or St. Martins were going to be relegated.
I don't believe either of them were in the worst senior teams in my opinion." They were both 2 of the worst 5 Senior teams last year or they wouldn't have ended up in the Relegation finals at all. I agree they definitely weren't the 2 worst of these 5. The other 3 who played off to decide the other team relegated were luckier with the draw for sure.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11799 - 25/07/2022 12:31:05
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Replying To hurlorhurley: "One might argue they let their own clubman down last year by not playing for him?" I'm not sure what was going on behind the scenes there last year but would guess that something wasn't right somewhere.
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Replying To Viking66: "They were both 2 of the worst 5 Senior teams last year or they wouldn't have ended up in the Relegation finals at all. I agree they definitely weren't the 2 worst of these 5. The other 3 who played off to decide the other team relegated were luckier with the draw for sure." The same argument could be made this year for Cloughbawn, they beat two teams above them and yet they are in a regulation against a team that didn't win anything, its a one off game, which perhaps it shouldn't be? or should it be all 4 bottom teams in the playoff
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Replying To beano: "At least we can't complain that the product is boring anyway. No other system, either proposed or pipe-dream, would have left so much hanging in the balance this weekend. I knew there'd be a draw somewhere!
I caught Rapps-Oylegate, said to myself I'd go to the venue nearest to me with the All Ireland on that afternoon. Was a poor enough game all told, with Oylegate having more than enough chances to win it. Don't know the exact stats but the shooting was very poor for both sides, and I'd say Oylegate hit double-figures in the second half alone. They seemed to panic towards the end too, hitting hopeful long balls inside or shooting low-percentage shots when a bit more composure could have seen them over the line. There weren't any real clear-cut goal chances created by either side apart from one late on by Oylegate.
I get the feeling that Rapps were witholding themselves some what, backing that results would go their way, and they did after. They didn't get much of a return from their starting forwards again, two from the Pepper brothers I think. Peare played as sweeper in the absence of Foley, while Kevin Foley was well contained by Jack Reck. Mahon had a mare over placed-balls despite scoring six or seven frees. Ultimately, five points off the bench decided the game in their favour.
I thought Damien Reck was excellent as the spare man for Oylegate, the other three Recks had their moments too, while Casey hit some nice points, including a sideline cut, but was a bit wasteful too. Best for Rapps, I thought, were Dillon Redmond, Ben Edwards and Jack Kelly.
All four quarter-finals carry their own sub-plot: two repeats of recent county finals (Gorey-Shels, Annes-Martins), a clash of two town teams that always attract a big crowd (Rapps-Harriers) and finally, Ferns-Glynn playing again after an unseemingly row last year. I'll post my predictions later in the week after I get an idea how the other games went." Any view on the refereeing Beano, I thought a couple of crucial decisions went against us near the end that gave the Rapps a 2 point lead and we had to chase the game.
I would be looking at it from Oylegate point of view, but I would concede that the Rapps were the better team.
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Replying To WEX98: "Any view on the refereeing Beano, I thought a couple of crucial decisions went against us near the end that gave the Rapps a 2 point lead and we had to chase the game.
I would be looking at it from Oylegate point of view, but I would concede that the Rapps were the better team." I didn't notice anything untoward to be honest. Thought decisions balanced out over the game. He did intervene to over-rule two points for Rapps in the second half, and any yellow given was warranted.
beano (Wexford) - Posts: 1416 - 25/07/2022 14:26:08
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