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Replying To Viking66: " Replying To beano: "[quote=Viking66: "[quote=beano: "Intermediate:
Group A:
Fethard-Askamore: Could be a great game on paper. Fethard put up a serious score against their rivals last week, and Askamore have improved their scoring game-on-game as the championship progressed. Tucker vs Eoin Whelan at the weekend should be a good contest. Fethard by 3.
Tara Rocks-Bunclody: Tara Rocks can't progress, and looking ahead to the football championship, are the only senior football side that are definitely out of the hurling already (Harriers' Sars contingent and Glynn could yet join them). Bunclody have Nolan back and are going well. Bunclody to win by 5.
Gusserane- Adamstown: woeful campaign to date for Adamstown, and don't foresee it getting any easier against a side reeling from a heavy defeat to their rivals. Amazingly, Gusserane have the second-worst defence in the group, behind only Tara Rocks, while Adamstown's concession rate isn't too bad all things considered. Still, all form-lines point to a rudimentary Gusserane win, by 6 points.
Bunclody 8 pts (head-to-head over Fethard)
Fethard 8 pts
Askamore 6 pts
Gusserane 6 pts
Group B
Taghmon-Buffers Alley: must-win game for the Alley to stave off relegation worries. Taghmon, aside from their thrashing by Oulart, have been steady if unspectacular, although have hit eight goals in their last two games. Buffers Alley ran Oulart very close the last day (even if their need was far greater), and I think they will battle to a 2 point win.
Oulart-Blackwater: significant win for Blackwater last week as it gives them some semblance of breathing room ahead of an expected loss to the favourites. Their -1 score differential far exceeds both Jimmies and Ballygarrett, so by all intents and purposes they are safe for another year regardless. Oulart win by 8 points.
St.James-Ballygarrett: Ballygarrett have been pretty woeful so far, while James' have stagnated themselves as well after a few years of contention. James' are the only team without the head-to-head record vs the Alley so they are in "critical win" territory, and I think they will dog out a tight two-point win here.
Oulart 10 pts
Taghmon 6 pts
Buffers Alley 4 pts (+6 SD)
Blackwater 4 pts (-9 SD)
St.James 4 pts (-18 SD)
Ballygarrett 2 pts
Quarter-finals: Blackwater vs Bunclody; Fethard vs Buffers Alley; Taghmon vs Askamore; Oulart vs Gusserane." So if Taghmon beat the Alley the Alley need St James to lose to Ballygarrett or they will be in the relegation game? That's going to make the game in Wexford Park fairly spicy as I don't see Ballygarrett beating the Jimmy's from what I've seen of both this year. Problem for the Jimmy's and Ballygarrett is that Taghmon are guaranteed 2nd place already. Can't finish 1st or 3rd. At the same time there is good competition for places in the Taghmon team this year and meeting the Alley in the Park would be a game any club hurler would rise their game for!"
It would represent quite a seachange in Wexford hurling if the Alley get to a relegation final in the same year Rathnure get to the senior one (whatever about either of them going down ultimately)."]Tbh I'd be more worried about Rathnure in their relegation final Beano. If the Alley do end up in it they will be facing Adamstown who were poor all year."]Don't think too many will really mind Rathnure in a relegation final. They have not threatened anything in Senior in 10 years.
countyman2022 (Wexford) - Posts: 640 - 22/07/2022 16:34:48
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When was the last time rathnure were Internediate?
If somehow Oulart or the Alley (less of a chance tbf) didn't get promoted and Rathnure got relegated would it be the first time none of the 3 were in the senior ranks?
Also kinda puts the whole "football holding us back" argument to bed but it will no doubt continue to be spouted like some form of Wexford GAA brexit argument.
tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1326 - 23/07/2022 10:58:40
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Replying To tearintom: "When was the last time rathnure were Internediate?
If somehow Oulart or the Alley (less of a chance tbf) didn't get promoted and Rathnure got relegated would it be the first time none of the 3 were in the senior ranks?
Also kinda puts the whole "football holding us back" argument to bed but it will no doubt continue to be spouted like some form of Wexford GAA brexit argument." Think Rathnure have been senior continuously since the 40s. Oulart apart from a brief stay in Intermediate in the 80s have been senior since the 60s. The Alley got promoted to Senior in the 20s then relegated again and then were senior again in the 50s. So probably the 30s was the last decade all 3 weren't Senior.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11725 - 23/07/2022 11:39:46
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Replying To tearintom: "When was the last time rathnure were Internediate?
If somehow Oulart or the Alley (less of a chance tbf) didn't get promoted and Rathnure got relegated would it be the first time none of the 3 were in the senior ranks?
Also kinda puts the whole "football holding us back" argument to bed but it will no doubt continue to be spouted like some form of Wexford GAA brexit argument." They have perhaps never played intermediate. They won junior in 1940, and back then you were promoted to senior as an intermediate championship ran from 1930 to 36 but was disbanded until 1955, and they have remained ever since. Now their second teams might have got has high as intermediate in the past, but first team never have I presume. Quite the record really.
And yes, the big three hurling powerhouses haven't a leg to stand on when it comes to their 'no football' mindset (or certainly no serious football as Alley compete in the low grades at least). The last adult county title the Alley won was....junior B football in 2019.
They say its hard to balance the two both look at the recent roll of honour of senior hurling:
2021: Rapps- won football the year before
2020: Shels- won football the year after
2019: Martin's- perennial semi-finalists in football
2018: Gorey- recent outlier perhaps but a sleeping giant in inter football if they put all their ducks in a row
Senior football same time frame:
2021 and 2020- see above.
2019: Castletown- lot more competitive in inter A than before. Finalists last year and 4 from 4 so far again.
2018- Shels. See above
After a terrible year on the hurling field, what have the Rathnure lads have to fall back on now till next year? Post-mortems and excuses.
beano (Wexford) - Posts: 1409 - 23/07/2022 11:46:24
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Replying To tearintom: "When was the last time rathnure were Internediate?
If somehow Oulart or the Alley (less of a chance tbf) didn't get promoted and Rathnure got relegated would it be the first time none of the 3 were in the senior ranks?
Also kinda puts the whole "football holding us back" argument to bed but it will no doubt continue to be spouted like some form of Wexford GAA brexit argument." Harriers haven't been overly successful the last while either although alot of their players kick ball for the various town clubs.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11725 - 23/07/2022 11:48:54
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Replying To tearintom: "When was the last time rathnure were Internediate?
If somehow Oulart or the Alley (less of a chance tbf) didn't get promoted and Rathnure got relegated would it be the first time none of the 3 were in the senior ranks?
Also kinda puts the whole "football holding us back" argument to bed but it will no doubt continue to be spouted like some form of Wexford GAA brexit argument." Here's a riddle for you. Rathnure were never intermediate but won intermediate in 1981.
Onfor15 (Wexford) - Posts: 524 - 23/07/2022 11:53:58
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Replying To tearintom: "When was the last time rathnure were Internediate?
If somehow Oulart or the Alley (less of a chance tbf) didn't get promoted and Rathnure got relegated would it be the first time none of the 3 were in the senior ranks?
Also kinda puts the whole "football holding us back" argument to bed but it will no doubt continue to be spouted like some form of Wexford GAA brexit argument." Rathnure have never actually been intermediate. They were founded in 1931 as a Junior club, they won Junior in 1940, went straight to senior because there was no intermediate at the time, and have been in senior ever since.
The current form of the Oulart-The Ballagh club was founded in 1954 (they were two separate clubs before that). So since Rathnure have been senior ever since then, it means that no, there's never been a time when there wasn't at least one of the three of Rathnure, Buffers Alley, and Oulart-The Ballagh in senior.
Am not touching the "football holding us back" argument!!!
Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2229 - 23/07/2022 12:14:20
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Replying To Onfor15: "Here's a riddle for you. Rathnure were never intermediate but won intermediate in 1981." That was their second team who won the intermediate title.
They couldn't be promoted since Rathnure already had a senior team, and so Rathgarogue-Cushinstown (who they beat in the final) were promoted instead.
Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2229 - 23/07/2022 12:17:03
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Replying To Onfor15: "Here's a riddle for you. Rathnure were never intermediate but won intermediate in 1981." It's a mad stat when ye think about it really
tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1326 - 23/07/2022 12:35:25
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Replying To beano: "They have perhaps never played intermediate. They won junior in 1940, and back then you were promoted to senior as an intermediate championship ran from 1930 to 36 but was disbanded until 1955, and they have remained ever since. Now their second teams might have got has high as intermediate in the past, but first team never have I presume. Quite the record really.
And yes, the big three hurling powerhouses haven't a leg to stand on when it comes to their 'no football' mindset (or certainly no serious football as Alley compete in the low grades at least). The last adult county title the Alley won was....junior B football in 2019.
They say its hard to balance the two both look at the recent roll of honour of senior hurling:
2021: Rapps- won football the year before
2020: Shels- won football the year after
2019: Martin's- perennial semi-finalists in football
2018: Gorey- recent outlier perhaps but a sleeping giant in inter football if they put all their ducks in a row
Senior football same time frame:
2021 and 2020- see above.
2019: Castletown- lot more competitive in inter A than before. Finalists last year and 4 from 4 so far again.
2018- Shels. See above
After a terrible year on the hurling field, what have the Rathnure lads have to fall back on now till next year? Post-mortems and excuses." And just one futher point, both the Alley and Rathnure were competitive in senior football during their hey-day of the 70s and 80s. I've been told of some great battles involving them and some more traditional football clubs. Rathnure have a senior football title too. What changed that they completely flipped the other way? (With both going through their longest famine of not winning a title).
Anyway, there should be plenty of drama tonight and tomorrow night with the conclusion of the inter and senior group stages.
beano (Wexford) - Posts: 1409 - 23/07/2022 12:44:17
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Replying To tearintom: "When was the last time rathnure were Internediate?
If somehow Oulart or the Alley (less of a chance tbf) didn't get promoted and Rathnure got relegated would it be the first time none of the 3 were in the senior ranks?
Also kinda puts the whole "football holding us back" argument to bed but it will no doubt continue to be spouted like some form of Wexford GAA brexit argument." Tom,
I will counter your "football holding us back" by seeing you and raising you what has happened when the county champions in EITHER code have gone in to Leinster and represented the county. I can only remember beatings, and bad ones. I remember Oulart beating Ballyhale and O'Loughlin Gaels if I remember right, but I can't recall any other significant victory for a Wexford club in the past 15 years.
The record of both hurling and football, is atrocious once they have met teams who focus mainly on one code.
So while it might not hold them back in winning a county title, where everybody else is doing the same, they all got found out after it.
Also, as I said on here before our "hurling leaning marginally 60/40" club has played many "football traditional" clubs at various levels of underage and some of these clubs were utterly atrocious. Lads at u14 and u16 lacking the very basic skills of the game, could barely manage a handpass let alone kick the ball accurately. That is not the fault of Rathnure, nor is it the fault of anybody but the clubs involved yet many of these clubs continue to point at other clubs and take a churlish delight in when they fall on harder times which inevitably happen every club.
So you can continue to play poor old us and delight if Rathnure get relegated because of their hurling leaning stance, or you can make sure yours and every football club in Wexford up their game. There is a football review coming up.
I played for a dual club on the north side of Dublin when I was young and people were free to play what they want, when they want at whatever age they wanted. There was no diktat saying you had to play this, you had to play that, nor any perception that you were not a "true gael" if you choose to only play one code. You might be better off embracing that attitude. Did it ever occur to you that people don't like Gaelic Football? Just the same as some people don't like Rugby? Or Basketball? Or whatever? People are free to pick and choose to play whatever sports they want and if you are going to peddle an argument for hurling and football, why aren't you extending it to rounders and handball, also GAA sports?
ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1122 - 23/07/2022 13:21:04
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Replying To beano: "They have perhaps never played intermediate. They won junior in 1940, and back then you were promoted to senior as an intermediate championship ran from 1930 to 36 but was disbanded until 1955, and they have remained ever since. Now their second teams might have got has high as intermediate in the past, but first team never have I presume. Quite the record really.
And yes, the big three hurling powerhouses haven't a leg to stand on when it comes to their 'no football' mindset (or certainly no serious football as Alley compete in the low grades at least). The last adult county title the Alley won was....junior B football in 2019.
They say its hard to balance the two both look at the recent roll of honour of senior hurling:
2021: Rapps- won football the year before
2020: Shels- won football the year after
2019: Martin's- perennial semi-finalists in football
2018: Gorey- recent outlier perhaps but a sleeping giant in inter football if they put all their ducks in a row
Senior football same time frame:
2021 and 2020- see above.
2019: Castletown- lot more competitive in inter A than before. Finalists last year and 4 from 4 so far again.
2018- Shels. See above
After a terrible year on the hurling field, what have the Rathnure lads have to fall back on now till next year? Post-mortems and excuses." Yes Beano but Shels, Martins, Rapps and Goreys have huge playing numbers compared to Oulart, Rathnure, and the Alley.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11725 - 23/07/2022 13:37:26
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Replying To beano: "And just one futher point, both the Alley and Rathnure were competitive in senior football during their hey-day of the 70s and 80s. I've been told of some great battles involving them and some more traditional football clubs. Rathnure have a senior football title too. What changed that they completely flipped the other way? (With both going through their longest famine of not winning a title).
Anyway, there should be plenty of drama tonight and tomorrow night with the conclusion of the inter and senior group stages." Yes looking forwards to the final round drama!
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11725 - 23/07/2022 13:38:23
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Replying To ExiledInWex: "Tom,
I will counter your "football holding us back" by seeing you and raising you what has happened when the county champions in EITHER code have gone in to Leinster and represented the county. I can only remember beatings, and bad ones. I remember Oulart beating Ballyhale and O'Loughlin Gaels if I remember right, but I can't recall any other significant victory for a Wexford club in the past 15 years.
The record of both hurling and football, is atrocious once they have met teams who focus mainly on one code.
So while it might not hold them back in winning a county title, where everybody else is doing the same, they all got found out after it.
Also, as I said on here before our "hurling leaning marginally 60/40" club has played many "football traditional" clubs at various levels of underage and some of these clubs were utterly atrocious. Lads at u14 and u16 lacking the very basic skills of the game, could barely manage a handpass let alone kick the ball accurately. That is not the fault of Rathnure, nor is it the fault of anybody but the clubs involved yet many of these clubs continue to point at other clubs and take a churlish delight in when they fall on harder times which inevitably happen every club.
So you can continue to play poor old us and delight if Rathnure get relegated because of their hurling leaning stance, or you can make sure yours and every football club in Wexford up their game. There is a football review coming up.
I played for a dual club on the north side of Dublin when I was young and people were free to play what they want, when they want at whatever age they wanted. There was no diktat saying you had to play this, you had to play that, nor any perception that you were not a "true gael" if you choose to only play one code. You might be better off embracing that attitude. Did it ever occur to you that people don't like Gaelic Football? Just the same as some people don't like Rugby? Or Basketball? Or whatever? People are free to pick and choose to play whatever sports they want and if you are going to peddle an argument for hurling and football, why aren't you extending it to rounders and handball, also GAA sports?" Who's delighting in seeing rathnure relegated?
And what make ye think my club is a football club?
Do you read what people write, no one said anything about having to play this and play that or anything not being a true Gael if ye don't play both? Like what are you actually replying to?
It's a simple statement that if we end up with 3 clubs who almost 100% focus on hurling end up in the second tier that it doesn't necessarily make the whole hurling being held back by football argument too relevant. Every other poster has the ability to read that and respond accordingly yet you go off on a rant about something no one is even discussing! Like what are on about why arent I making an argument for rounders, handball etc???
Stay on topic like a good man.
tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1326 - 23/07/2022 13:47:01
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Replying To beano: "And just one futher point, both the Alley and Rathnure were competitive in senior football during their hey-day of the 70s and 80s. I've been told of some great battles involving them and some more traditional football clubs. Rathnure have a senior football title too. What changed that they completely flipped the other way? (With both going through their longest famine of not winning a title).
Anyway, there should be plenty of drama tonight and tomorrow night with the conclusion of the inter and senior group stages." That reminds me of having an argument with a fella who was categorical in telling me that Wexford cannot produce great players due to the prevelance of football in the County and his "proof" was that only a Club like Rathnure could produce a hurler like Nicky Rackard (due to their aversion to football)
I could only laugh at him in all honesty!!
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Replying To TheHogues: "That reminds me of having an argument with a fella who was categorical in telling me that Wexford cannot produce great players due to the prevelance of football in the County and his "proof" was that only a Club like Rathnure could produce a hurler like Nicky Rackard (due to their aversion to football)
I could only laugh at him in all honesty!!" That man obviously forgot how Rackard was a great footballer too!
Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2229 - 23/07/2022 14:12:03
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Replying To ExiledInWex: "Tom,
I will counter your "football holding us back" by seeing you and raising you what has happened when the county champions in EITHER code have gone in to Leinster and represented the county. I can only remember beatings, and bad ones. I remember Oulart beating Ballyhale and O'Loughlin Gaels if I remember right, but I can't recall any other significant victory for a Wexford club in the past 15 years.
The record of both hurling and football, is atrocious once they have met teams who focus mainly on one code.
So while it might not hold them back in winning a county title, where everybody else is doing the same, they all got found out after it.
Also, as I said on here before our "hurling leaning marginally 60/40" club has played many "football traditional" clubs at various levels of underage and some of these clubs were utterly atrocious. Lads at u14 and u16 lacking the very basic skills of the game, could barely manage a handpass let alone kick the ball accurately. That is not the fault of Rathnure, nor is it the fault of anybody but the clubs involved yet many of these clubs continue to point at other clubs and take a churlish delight in when they fall on harder times which inevitably happen every club.
So you can continue to play poor old us and delight if Rathnure get relegated because of their hurling leaning stance, or you can make sure yours and every football club in Wexford up their game. There is a football review coming up.
I played for a dual club on the north side of Dublin when I was young and people were free to play what they want, when they want at whatever age they wanted. There was no diktat saying you had to play this, you had to play that, nor any perception that you were not a "true gael" if you choose to only play one code. You might be better off embracing that attitude. Did it ever occur to you that people don't like Gaelic Football? Just the same as some people don't like Rugby? Or Basketball? Or whatever? People are free to pick and choose to play whatever sports they want and if you are going to peddle an argument for hurling and football, why aren't you extending it to rounders and handball, also GAA sports?" Oulart also beat James Stephens and Clara, who were current Kilkenny Champions at the time, since 2011. And some good Offaly and Dublin club sides also. I can't remember our hurling champions getting too many bad beatings off anyone tbh.
Football would be a different story although Shels beat a good team from Louth in the QF last year and brought Naas to extra time in the SF.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11725 - 23/07/2022 14:15:30
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Replying To TheHogues: "That reminds me of having an argument with a fella who was categorical in telling me that Wexford cannot produce great players due to the prevelance of football in the County and his "proof" was that only a Club like Rathnure could produce a hurler like Nicky Rackard (due to their aversion to football)
I could only laugh at him in all honesty!!" Nicky won a Senior football title with Rathnure I'm nearly sure.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11725 - 23/07/2022 14:16:18
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Replying To Viking66: "Nicky won a Senior football title with Rathnure I'm nearly sure." According to Wikipedia, he won 4 senior hurling county titles with Rathnure, and 1county junior championship medal in 1940 but no senior club football titles. He did win one Senior Leinster football title with Wexford .
Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2446 - 23/07/2022 14:36:06
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Replying To Viking66: "Nicky won a Senior football title with Rathnure I'm nearly sure." rackard played railway cup football with leinster BEFORE he played railway cup hurling
Stmunnsriver (Wexford) - Posts: 2840 - 23/07/2022 14:39:52
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