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In fairness it's hard blame management when a team is 4 up with few mins left when it all boils down once the players cross the white line they have 2 take responsibility,, management prob a bit 2 loyal to some players but on the match 2 day it's the players who let the game slip away ,,
Kickitout (Galway) - Posts: 843 - 11/06/2022 21:25:16
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Fair play to Clare! Seasoned experts in Division 2 football, they have now knocked out two of their more illustrious Division 2 rivals.
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7853 - 11/06/2022 21:27:01
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Replying To Kickitout: "In fairness it's hard blame management when a team is 4 up with few mins left when it all boils down once the players cross the white line they have 2 take responsibility,, management prob a bit 2 loyal to some players but on the match 2 day it's the players who let the game slip away ,," The players can't be happy with themselves agreed but the Roscommon team are not being well coached or managed. We have a core of good players who have been good since underage ( Ros reached U21 All Ireland Finals in 2012 and 2014). I think we're underachieving at present and I blame management for that.
endgame (Roscommon) - Posts: 2166 - 11/06/2022 21:32:14
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Replying To howdareu: "Enlighten me seeing as you have all the answers to everything." For the record it's because of travel. So well done on making an even bigger fool of yourself than you already have.
oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1380 - 11/06/2022 21:47:20
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Rankings from this mornings Independent has Clare second best in Munster-
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/ranking-the-12-still-standing-in-the-race-for-sam-maguire-41738539.html?fbclid=IwAR1_4OY9hM5QRkFfGU-CRvO1iTuXbbX7_TjJqPqG4FOa7Bw-ltvdBem_vP0
LohansRedHelmet (Clare) - Posts: 2479 - 11/06/2022 21:49:15
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Replying To Trump2020: "Very true. I know football is big in Clare around Kilrush and Cooraclare, etc but I didn't think they could beat Roscommon to be honest about it. Clare have some nice footballers but usually not enough to compete. I'm very happy for them." Eire Og Ennis are county champions. Colm Collins also saw a resurgence in football in East Clare with Cratloe winning the championship a few years ago but yes in general football is West Clare based.
Traditionally the west has little or no hurling but Conor Cleary (Eoins brother) and Cathal Malone both start for Clare seniors and are from the West
LohansRedHelmet (Clare) - Posts: 2479 - 11/06/2022 21:55:06
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Replying To endgame: "We'll know more about how decent Clare are after their quarter Final game. My hunch is that they'll be hammered if their opponents are Kerry or Dublin but we'll see. What we do know tonight is that Roscommon weren't good enough today, weren't good enough against Galway and are deservedly out of the championship." Very sour post. Could you just not congratulate Clare and leave it at that. You were beaten and Clare won't win the All Ireland but they will be hard to beat. The complacently all week by the Roscommon supporters was mind boggling. Great for Collins who is Clare manager and has done so well with them.
eoinog (Sligo) - Posts: 1658 - 12/06/2022 07:31:19
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A very disappointing result yesterday and I am sure there is nobody more disappointed than the management amd the players. They've given their all for the best part of 8/9 months so that has to be taken into context also before anyone starts calling for heads etc.
The alarm bells were ringing early and despite the changes Clare were running through us for fun and to concede 1-10 in 35 mins of football at any level leaves yourself with a lot to do. Truth be told Clare could have been more ahead at ht were they more ruthless as for some of the points they scored in first half the goal chance was on. Roscommon got a great start with Diarmuid Murtagh's opportunist goal but we couldn't capitalise.
The reality Roscommon are probably ranked somewhere between 9 to 16 in terms of where our standing is at. We are in Diivision one next season and the irony is we might stay in but the reality is if we were in Division two we would probably finish 4th in it at best. We are scoring 20 pts plus in total for the last 4 matches and aside from the sligo match we have been beaten or hanging on. 20pts plus should win most matches but we are too attack minded and it's actually very schoolboy stuff. Some people are staying McGuinness on Sky gave a very good example yesterday of our defensive woes and how we deployed a sweeper who was inactive or ineffective. Poacher was unlucky in terms of covid in his ability to work with the players but our attitude to defending has to change also.
The day of playing 6 scoring forwards is gone despite what the traditionalists will say. The modern game is more athletic, mobile, faster, dynamic and players are far fitter. Its probably not as physical as the bygone days as its more possession based cutting down the physical challenges. Roscommon cannot have more thwn four of the two murtaghs, two smiths, mckeon, cox, heneghan etc on the pitch at the one time if we are going to win big championship games. So the half backs have to star5 doing their primary job first of defending first ahead of attacking and then when the opportunity presents itself that is the time to go but not this constant attacking.
It will be argued we had the gane was won and it was but for 45 mins we were 2nd best. The Clare keeper gave us a route back into match with his short kickouts and why it tool until the last minute of injury time in first half to press him is mind boggling. We would have got some trimming in ¼ finals if we had got through as none of Duin, Kerry, Derry would have let us get more than 10 scores and they would run through us.
Where do we go from here. Throwing manager and players under a bus is not the way. I don't see manager going and I don't see county board moving him on either. Personally I would like change after 4 years but to whom. Nobody within the county up to it. Would a combo of an outside manager with a number of roscommon coaches be the way to go. We have both the provincial winners at senior and intermediate level and I'm sure there management teams are not all outsiders. I'm sure there are also roscommon men coaching on other counties that we are not aware of. It doesn't have to be an ex player either as that has proved fairly disastourous on a number of occasions including this year. It doesn't have to be an outsider either as that proved to be a car crash with the minor set up this year so no perfect solution.
I stayed for 2nd match yesterday and I thought the kildare set up was very good defensively. Mayo got lucky with 10 mins to go when Mullen spun out of a 3 man tackle to get the goal they so badly needed as they looked a beaten docket. The conditioning of both teams in 2nd match compared to Roscommon was miles ahead. Do our players actually do any gym programme. I'm looking at a number of players playing for Ross for years and they don't appear to have put on one ounce of muscle. Of course the county gym and COE debacle going on for years doesn't help.
One thing to note and totally understandable given the cost of living but I didnt hear an attendance for yesterday and I'd say it was about 30k at best. A double header in Portlaoise or matches in Tullamore and Breffni was the way to go. For me it was handy on my door step but GAA totally underestimated the current financial climate. Speaking to a mayo man and his family amd he said that the match yesterday would be his last one this year if rhey won as itvwas too expensive amd they have had two home games to date as well.
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SmokieRoss (Roscommon) - Posts: 273 - 12/06/2022 10:02:46
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Replying To SmokieRoss: "A very disappointing result yesterday and I am sure there is nobody more disappointed than the management amd the players. They've given their all for the best part of 8/9 months so that has to be taken into context also before anyone starts calling for heads etc.
The alarm bells were ringing early and despite the changes Clare were running through us for fun and to concede 1-10 in 35 mins of football at any level leaves yourself with a lot to do. Truth be told Clare could have been more ahead at ht were they more ruthless as for some of the points they scored in first half the goal chance was on. Roscommon got a great start with Diarmuid Murtagh's opportunist goal but we couldn't capitalise.
The reality Roscommon are probably ranked somewhere between 9 to 16 in terms of where our standing is at. We are in Diivision one next season and the irony is we might stay in but the reality is if we were in Division two we would probably finish 4th in it at best. We are scoring 20 pts plus in total for the last 4 matches and aside from the sligo match we have been beaten or hanging on. 20pts plus should win most matches but we are too attack minded and it's actually very schoolboy stuff. Some people are staying McGuinness on Sky gave a very good example yesterday of our defensive woes and how we deployed a sweeper who was inactive or ineffective. Poacher was unlucky in terms of covid in his ability to work with the players but our attitude to defending has to change also.
The day of playing 6 scoring forwards is gone despite what the traditionalists will say. The modern game is more athletic, mobile, faster, dynamic and players are far fitter. Its probably not as physical as the bygone days as its more possession based cutting down the physical challenges. Roscommon cannot have more thwn four of the two murtaghs, two smiths, mckeon, cox, heneghan etc on the pitch at the one time if we are going to win big championship games. So the half backs have to star5 doing their primary job first of defending first ahead of attacking and then when the opportunity presents itself that is the time to go but not this constant attacking.
It will be argued we had the gane was won and it was but for 45 mins we were 2nd best. The Clare keeper gave us a route back into match with his short kickouts and why it tool until the last minute of injury time in first half to press him is mind boggling. We would have got some trimming in ¼ finals if we had got through as none of Duin, Kerry, Derry would have let us get more than 10 scores and they would run through us.
Where do we go from here. Throwing manager and players under a bus is not the way. I don't see manager going and I don't see county board moving him on either. Personally I would like change after 4 years but to whom. Nobody within the county up to it. Would a combo of an outside manager with a number of roscommon coaches be the way to go. We have both the provincial winners at senior and intermediate level and I'm sure there management teams are not all outsiders. I'm sure there are also roscommon men coaching on other counties that we are not aware of. It doesn't have to be an ex player either as that has proved fairly disastourous on a number of occasions including this year. It doesn't have to be an outsider either as that proved to be a car crash with the minor set up this year so no perfect solution.
I stayed for 2nd match yesterday and I thought the kildare set up was very good defensively. Mayo got lucky with 10 mins to go when Mullen spun out of a 3 man tackle to get the goal they so badly needed as they looked a beaten docket. The conditioning of both teams in 2nd match compared to Roscommon was miles ahead. Do our players actually do any gym programme. I'm looking at a number of players playing for Ross for years and they don't appear to have put on one ounce of muscle. Of course the county gym and COE debacle going on for years doesn't help.
One thing to note and totally understandable given the cost of living but I didnt hear an attendance for yesterday and I'd say it was about 30k at best. A double header in Portlaoise or matches in Tullamore and Breffni was the way to go. For me it was handy on my door step but GAA totally underestimated the current financial climate. Speaking to a mayo man and his family amd he said that the match yesterday would be his last one this year if rhey won as itvwas too expensive amd they have had two home games to date as well.
." I think AC was unlucky with covid hitting after all the momentum built up after 2019. In fairness he brought in Poacher and maybe there should have been more patience to see how they would develop instead of being judged on about 3 league games and one championship game.
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Replying To eoinog: "Very sour post. Could you just not congratulate Clare and leave it at that. You were beaten and Clare won't win the All Ireland but they will be hard to beat. The complacently all week by the Roscommon supporters was mind boggling. Great for Collins who is Clare manager and has done so well with them." Don't know one Roscommon supporter who thought yesterday would be easy or that we'd waltz by Clare. People outside the county were more dismissive about Clare than Roscommon people with 2016 all to fresh in out memory. You seem to have a serious chip on your shoulder time to get over it.
MachaireConnacht (Roscommon) - Posts: 784 - 12/06/2022 10:35:54
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Clare have brilliant footballers, Cleary, Sexton, Malone, O'Connor would make any team in the country. Thought Emmet McMahon looked good too. Of course all you hear from pundits is Colm Collins this Colm Collins that, but he is working with a damn good squad of players there.
Have to say I have enjoyed these qualifiers. It's amazing so many want rid of them. Watched 3 last weekend and will see all 4 this weekend and am really enjoying them. Its hard to beat the edge which only knockout championship can bring.
97Cavans (Cavan) - Posts: 320 - 12/06/2022 10:57:40
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Replying To oneoff: "For the record it's because of travel. So well done on making an even bigger fool of yourself than you already have." Thank you for that oneoff. We may disagree but I think calling people names is very immature and uncalled for. Surprised the mods haven't taken action against you as this is not the first time you have been aggressive. I would politely ask you to please desist from this in future and be respectful. Thanks.
howdareu (USA) - Posts: 220 - 12/06/2022 12:09:08
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Clare showed more hunger and intensity over the 70 minutes. That has been lacking in Roscommon for a number of years in the Championship and was evident in the Galway game where they left it too late.
We haven't claimed a major scalp since our last Connaught Title and have not fulfilled our potential in any All Ireland series with the Super 8 performances being particularly lethargic. I think we won one dead rubber against Cork and lost the rest - I'll stand corrected if those numbers are wrong but it doesn't affect the point I'm making. We also went out to Clare (in 2016 I think) in a championship campaign that just fizzled out after a good run in Div 1.
There seems to be a lack of conviction and self belief in the squad and that lays with management though I respect what AC has done during his time. It just needs something else to get to the next level and take some big scalps.
Frustrating to watch them being so slow on the counter attack yesterday. Clare should have been easy pickings with their setup and it was the second half before Roscommon capitalised. The last 5 minutes you have to be thinking just don't concede a goal and you're home and dry. We couldn't do that so no complaints about the winners
Clare will likely give a big team a fight in the qf, something which I'm not convinced Roscommon would have done.
Best of luck to Clare
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Replying To howdareu: "Thank you for that oneoff. We may disagree but I think calling people names is very immature and uncalled for. Surprised the mods haven't taken action against you as this is not the first time you have been aggressive. I would politely ask you to please desist from this in future and be respectful. Thanks." From the AKA troll.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7346 - 12/06/2022 12:46:02
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Well done to the Clare team and supporters. Fully deserved victory yesterday. It's a sore one for us but can have no complaints. Best of luck to Clare in the 1/4 final
D.Hyde (Roscommon) - Posts: 146 - 12/06/2022 12:48:49
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Replying To howdareu: "Thank you for that oneoff. We may disagree but I think calling people names is very immature and uncalled for. Surprised the mods haven't taken action against you as this is not the first time you have been aggressive. I would politely ask you to please desist from this in future and be respectful. Thanks." So come on what's your master plan for Roscommon? Your othet posts indicate you have all the answers?
oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1380 - 12/06/2022 13:07:07
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Replying To GreenandRed: "From the AKA troll." Excuse me? Don't call me a troll. My messages have been very respectful and sensible so that is not warranted. Grow up
howdareu (USA) - Posts: 220 - 12/06/2022 13:10:08
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Replying To Oldtourman: "Do you not know that Limerick beat Clare at home. There is no way they are the second best team in Munster." Limerick confirming their status as 4th best in Munster.
LohansRedHelmet (Clare) - Posts: 2479 - 12/06/2022 15:06:23
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Replying To Sindar: "Clare showed more hunger and intensity over the 70 minutes. That has been lacking in Roscommon for a number of years in the Championship and was evident in the Galway game where they left it too late.
We haven't claimed a major scalp since our last Connaught Title and have not fulfilled our potential in any All Ireland series with the Super 8 performances being particularly lethargic. I think we won one dead rubber against Cork and lost the rest - I'll stand corrected if those numbers are wrong but it doesn't affect the point I'm making. We also went out to Clare (in 2016 I think) in a championship campaign that just fizzled out after a good run in Div 1.
There seems to be a lack of conviction and self belief in the squad and that lays with management though I respect what AC has done during his time. It just needs something else to get to the next level and take some big scalps.
Frustrating to watch them being so slow on the counter attack yesterday. Clare should have been easy pickings with their setup and it was the second half before Roscommon capitalised. The last 5 minutes you have to be thinking just don't concede a goal and you're home and dry. We couldn't do that so no complaints about the winners
Clare will likely give a big team a fight in the qf, something which I'm not convinced Roscommon would have done.
Best of luck to Clare" Thanks for your kind words about us in Clare, a game of two halves really for the most part Clare the better for the majority of the first half and Roscommon for the second half. What we done to ye snatch victory for the jaws of defeat as happened to us in championship over the last number of years. In 2014 against Kildare we were 6 points up with 20 minutes to go but didn't score for the last 20 minutes as Kildare hit 7 without reply to win by a point. Something similar happened against Armagh in 2018 we were 4 up with the game nearly in added time, but Armagh ended up scoring 1-4 without reply to win by 4, so we know all about how it feels like to close games and games we felt that we should have won. I suppose sometimes when teams get the run on you and a bit of momentum it can be hard for the opposition team to stop the other teams momentum and that was the case on Saturday.
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Replying To LohansRedHelmet: "Limerick confirming their status as 4th best in Munster." If being 4th in Munster means we can beat Meath & Roscommon too well renowned football Counties and be in 1/4 Finals rather than be kicked off the park by Kerry then I am happy to be 4th.
Total population of Clare id 1/2 that of Meat & Cork City alone C Colins works magic with the tiny pick he has
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