HoganStand GAA Football and Hurling

National Forum

Penalties

(Oldest Posts First) - Go To The Latest Post

You need to Login to Post

If the GAA implemented a stop clock system(like they have in ladies football) then fewer games would go to extra time or penalties. It's almost an unwritten rule that if a team is trailing they'll be given one more chance by the referee, the stop clock removes that option. PK57 (Louth) - Posts: 1655 - 09/06/2022 14:05:32 2423595 Link
"Next score wins" wouldn't be particularly suitable for hurling. The ball could break to somebody from the throw-in and he could stick it over the bar from midfield without anybody else even getting a tap at it. To me, that'd be a worse way to lose a match than being beaten on penalties.... Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2251 - 09/06/2022 14:09:19 2423596 Link
Replying To brianb: "Its interesting that all the points against it are due to poor refereeing decisions. All would be similar arguments against a 75th minute score deciding a match. But you are right - the GAA being the GAA you would immediately have a contentious decision. These will still happen anyway - they've happened already this year and there will be plenty more. I'd prefer to have it settled on the pitch somehow rather than resorting to penalties. I like the idea put forward a while back for soccer where the penalties would precede extra time so teams would know who's winning in the event of a further draw. I don't know how that would work in practice so I'd keep coming back to a Golden score solution like in NFL. If you score a point - the other team gets a kick out to try and score a goal - if you score a goal you win." Absolutely they still happen, and will continue to. Refs are human. I would just not want to see a situation we had a golden score that shouldn't have been. And lord know even this past week we had enough contentious scores. Golden goal works in soccer (even though they've got rid) as they've just goals. That we have a sport that has far more scores makes it just unwieldy for me. And absolutely no to the NFL solution, that is a common one that is attacked regularly. Their overtime solution is just terrible all round as you can win without the otehr team even touching the ball. And possession works differently for their sport for set number of downs. We're tying ourselves into tangles on this thread to come up with left field ideas, while the penalty option is still clearly the best and most fair out of all suggested. Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2392 - 09/06/2022 14:24:20 2423600 Link
Replying To Loughduff Lad: "Absolutely they still happen, and will continue to. Refs are human. I would just not want to see a situation we had a golden score that shouldn't have been. And lord know even this past week we had enough contentious scores. Golden goal works in soccer (even though they've got rid) as they've just goals. That we have a sport that has far more scores makes it just unwieldy for me. And absolutely no to the NFL solution, that is a common one that is attacked regularly. Their overtime solution is just terrible all round as you can win without the otehr team even touching the ball. And possession works differently for their sport for set number of downs. We're tying ourselves into tangles on this thread to come up with left field ideas, while the penalty option is still clearly the best and most fair out of all suggested." I don't agree that penalties are the fairest option. In Soccer statistically the team that wins the coin toss wins 60% of the time. The NFL solution would arguably work better in GAA than in the NFL itself as there is contested possession. brianb (Kildare) - Posts: 292 - 09/06/2022 17:18:19 2423669 Link
Replying To brianb: "I don't agree that penalties are the fairest option. In Soccer statistically the team that wins the coin toss wins 60% of the time. The NFL solution would arguably work better in GAA than in the NFL itself as there is contested possession." Then adjust it. There a system to counteract that. Team 1 goes first, the team 2 takes 2 and so on. It's still far better than some of the crazy takes some have given above. Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2392 - 09/06/2022 17:42:53 2423672 Link
Replying To brianb: "Its interesting that all the points against it are due to poor refereeing decisions. All would be similar arguments against a 75th minute score deciding a match. But you are right - the GAA being the GAA you would immediately have a contentious decision. These will still happen anyway - they've happened already this year and there will be plenty more. I'd prefer to have it settled on the pitch somehow rather than resorting to penalties. I like the idea put forward a while back for soccer where the penalties would precede extra time so teams would know who's winning in the event of a further draw. I don't know how that would work in practice so I'd keep coming back to a Golden score solution like in NFL. If you score a point - the other team gets a kick out to try and score a goal - if you score a goal you win." "I like the idea put forward a while back for soccer where the penalties would precede extra time so teams would know who's winning in the event of a further draw." Interesting idea. So nobody can say they didn't have their chance. Actually more logical, and fairer, than having penalties afterwards. And the argument against 50s (or 45s as of course they now called lol) is as has been pointed out - the defending team can do nothing but watch - at least with a goalie, you have a chance. And, unless we want to let the best long range free taker take all 5 kicks, most teams do not have 5 or more players who could nail a 50 metre free off the ground with any consistency. It'd be a shambles, watching a string of wides. And taking it out of the hands would not work, as everyone cheats and steals yards. Incidentally, the first time that penalties have decided a senior provincial championship match in either club or inter-county football was Derrygonnelly v Trillick in the Ulster Club. (Before that, there had been a shootout in a Monaghan SFC game between Scotstown and Truagh Gaels, while two had taken place in the Connacht Football League - although the latter two games which featured Mayo against Leitrim and Galway - both went directly to penalties at the end of normal (not extra) time. Derrygonnelly won a thriller 6-5 on penalties, the Trillick lad hitting the post with their 6th penalty. Excellent penalty taking by both teams, neither of whom would have been in any way used to that. essmac (Tyrone) - Posts: 1141 - 10/06/2022 09:04:11 2423710 Link
Why not a version of an ice hockey shootout. Each team gets 5 efforts Ball placed on 45m line Attacking team has two players starting on halfway defending team has two players starting on 21 and a keeper Whistle blows and off you go - ball gets cleared back past halfway and the attacking team lose their turn Attacking team has the option of kicking a point or going for a goal After five goes each - alternating who goes first after 2 sets - whoever has the highest score wins tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1115 - 10/06/2022 09:56:28 2423716 Link
Replying To tirawleybaron: "Why not a version of an ice hockey shootout. Each team gets 5 efforts Ball placed on 45m line Attacking team has two players starting on halfway defending team has two players starting on 21 and a keeper Whistle blows and off you go - ball gets cleared back past halfway and the attacking team lose their turn Attacking team has the option of kicking a point or going for a goal After five goes each - alternating who goes first after 2 sets - whoever has the highest score wins" Is it really not just easier and quicker to do penalties... Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2392 - 10/06/2022 14:48:47 2423786 Link
Replying To tirawleybaron: "Why not a version of an ice hockey shootout. Each team gets 5 efforts Ball placed on 45m line Attacking team has two players starting on halfway defending team has two players starting on 21 and a keeper Whistle blows and off you go - ball gets cleared back past halfway and the attacking team lose their turn Attacking team has the option of kicking a point or going for a goal After five goes each - alternating who goes first after 2 sets - whoever has the highest score wins" No. Stick to penalties. Rolo2010 (Donegal) - Posts: 739 - 10/06/2022 15:40:41 2423801 Link
Take 5 players off each team (10 a side) and let them play one period of 10 mins. That would separate a lot of teams. Would test squad depths, and would reward the best squads. And it's decided on football, not a lottery. SouthOfTheGap (Donegal) - Posts: 585 - 10/06/2022 17:24:02 2423819 Link
Replying To tirawleybaron: "Why not a version of an ice hockey shootout. Each team gets 5 efforts Ball placed on 45m line Attacking team has two players starting on halfway defending team has two players starting on 21 and a keeper Whistle blows and off you go - ball gets cleared back past halfway and the attacking team lose their turn Attacking team has the option of kicking a point or going for a goal After five goes each - alternating who goes first after 2 sets - whoever has the highest score wins" Why not do it? Here are two reasons: 1 - Each attempt could take an absolute age if attacking side gets the ball first and plays an almost endless series of one-two passes between each other. 2 - Each attempt could be over in just a couple of seconds if one of the defending team wins the sprint to the ball and boots it back past halfway. Attacking team wouldn't get a chance to score at all. Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2251 - 10/06/2022 17:33:14 2423822 Link
Replying To Pikeman96: "Why not do it? Here are two reasons: 1 - Each attempt could take an absolute age if attacking side gets the ball first and plays an almost endless series of one-two passes between each other. 2 - Each attempt could be over in just a couple of seconds if one of the defending team wins the sprint to the ball and boots it back past halfway. Attacking team wouldn't get a chance to score at all." Your criticism is noted 2 easy fixes 1. Shot clock/time limit 2. Give the attacking team more of a head start (or possession) Personally I am happy enough with penalties but I do like an ice hockey shoot out tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1115 - 11/06/2022 07:46:07 2423856 Link
Replying To eoinog: "You are 100% correct. It's mental" Hahaha, I'm glad someone else agrees with my own assessment, I thought I was going mad! Tacaí Liatroma (Leitrim) - Posts: 1040 - 14/06/2022 14:25:46 2424957 Link
Replying To brianb: "Its interesting that all the points against it are due to poor refereeing decisions. All would be similar arguments against a 75th minute score deciding a match. But you are right - the GAA being the GAA you would immediately have a contentious decision. These will still happen anyway - they've happened already this year and there will be plenty more. I'd prefer to have it settled on the pitch somehow rather than resorting to penalties. I like the idea put forward a while back for soccer where the penalties would precede extra time so teams would know who's winning in the event of a further draw. I don't know how that would work in practice so I'd keep coming back to a Golden score solution like in NFL. If you score a point - the other team gets a kick out to try and score a goal - if you score a goal you win." Ya know, that's not a bad idea at all. Would be rubbish for soccer, just play defensively for 30 mins and hold on, but for Gaelic it would work i think. It's like giving the shootout winner an extra half point, and both teams know exactly where they stand at the start of extra time. No sitting back and settling for the full-time whistle. Tacaí Liatroma (Leitrim) - Posts: 1040 - 14/06/2022 14:29:07 2424958 Link
Replying To Tacaí Liatroma: "Hahaha, I'm glad someone else agrees with my own assessment, I thought I was going mad!" . I liked your closing line "But it's a start, albeit a mental one." The GAA could borrow it as a tagline for the new championship setup next year. "You wanted change so we changed - It's a start, albeit a mental one." "It's mental but its New" timmyhogan (UK) - Posts: 290 - 14/06/2022 18:48:25 2425029 Link
There is criticism of penalties in some quarters after yesterday. Deciding the match on the day is the right approach. Penalties seem fair enough to determine the winner on the day. Liam O'Neill, the former GAA President, was giving out about the split season. He reckons July is too early. Instead of a February to July intercounty season, they could go with April to September. The club season then instead of August to January can be October to March. The split season can be retained. The timing is just moved by 2 months. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7865 - 27/06/2022 09:04:41 2427835 Link
Big fan of penalties. Great drama, and prevents the damp frustrated atmosphere that usually takes over a stadium after a draw, even an exciting one. Besides, had the two teams gone at it again next Saturday the winner would have been wrecked when they played derry. Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1716 - 27/06/2022 12:13:17 2427941 Link
Replying To PK57: "If the GAA implemented a stop clock system(like they have in ladies football) then fewer games would go to extra time or penalties. It's almost an unwritten rule that if a team is trailing they'll be given one more chance by the referee, the stop clock removes that option." Spot on, I've been saying that for years. No more of this giving a team a last opportunity even if time is up. Its transparent and nobody in the stadium is under any illusions as to how much time is left or if the ref blew a bit early or player over. It couldn't be that hard to implement. Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 1911 - 27/06/2022 13:37:03 2427985 Link
How did that apply yesterday? Referee indicated 8 mins injury time. Armagh won a genuine free close to 8 mins. Completely transparent. Less of the conspiracy theories Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 1502 - 27/06/2022 14:05:08 2428010 Link
Where were all the moaners when this was proposed to a committee? I don't remember hearing their voices. So why didn't they think about it back then? ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1136 - 27/06/2022 14:40:04 2428026 Link